(06-24-2015, 10:18 AM)Ryo Wrote: (06-24-2015, 02:00 AM)reza Wrote: If someone at the club makes a plan there is no problem getting less and spending less this summer. But there has to be a plan for what the objective will be next mercato, next Serie A season, and next and then next.
I second this opinion. I have low hopes that we will be able to attract talent the way we are at the moment. We've been in a steady decline for the past 5 seasons, and seriously our current squad and coach don't inspire much confidence for any new players who would want to play for a top club (lets not delude ourselves, in no way do we look even a decent club right now, much less a top club).
I'd rather we pick up young under-valued talents that fit with our system and actually have a potential to be good, and actually work on them for two or three seasons to build our reputation back up with youth, speed and actual motivation to show their worth, than pack the squad with high-cost, money-grubbing "stars" that may or may not even work for our system.
As I see it right now, even if we manage to grab 1 top class Forward and 2 top class Midfielders, I still don't see the team as a whole doing that great.
As of this moment, the only players I would even have an inkling of confidence in a starting lineup for us are:
Abate, De Sciglio, De Jong, Diego Lopez (yes I still think he'd be decent if the centerback PAIRING wasn't actually shit), El Shaarawy, Menez, and maybe a fully fit Monty.
Everyone else on our current roster either have issues with stamina/speed, or simply don't have the talent/potential to give us consistently decent performances.
7 players and 0 decent center-back pairings isn't going to win you games. Even if we went out and bought 4 top players, we can't actually play just those 11 for 38+ games, now can we?
You take a look at Chelsea, in the years they weren't doing so well, they went and brought in a trio of Willian, Oscar and Ramires when no one really knew much nor gave a damn about them (well... I gave a damn about Oscar, but that's besides the point). Now those three are NT-class players after spending a couple years subbing on and off from the sidelines at Stamford Bridge, AND they're still young and have potential to improve on it.
Sorry for sounding negative here, but I look at this current squad, and I cannot see any sort of plan being implimented at all. The so-called "Plan" we have keeps changing every year, its ridiculous.
I say if you really want to build a decent squad, you go grab a few healthy, experienced players (and by that I'm talking about aged 26-30), that can give us consistent, not spectacular, performances, and insert our potential youngsters into a set system that we will be expected to play for the next half-decade. That would actually provide us a platform to develop our more talented youngsters (like the year El Shaarawy came in) to take over the starting roles in a less pressured environment.
Seriously, give up on the "Big-Bucks, Immediate results, followed by years of decline because we cannot sustain investments" model that we seem to be trying out every year and a half. I hate seeing my team going through this endless cycle of waste year on year. This sums it up.
Galliani should just scratch the idea of signing a world class player(maybe Ibra, and a defender, like Hummels) and simply focus on young potential players, preferably Italian!
Thats the way to go right now, we have enough core to reach at the least 4th place, and probably younger players would have more hunger and determination to aim for the top...
When we reach CL we can sign more established players.. Or if we'll "lucky" our youngsters would be more than good for CL.
Juve started with a young Italian core of players, and look at them now...
There's no shame following their lead.
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The thing is that Berlusconi and Galliani are trying to do the same thing that they did back in the mid-80s. Milan was in a horrible situation when Berlusconi bought the club, much worse than now. As Galliani said last year, "Milan was in the court system when we saved it". If you think things were bad these last five years, imagine in the early 80s when we had a president (Farina) who stole all the club's money and then fled to South Africa to avoid getting arrested and thrown in jail for it. Things were really bad.
However, what worked back in the 80s doesn't work now. While Berlusconi could immediately buy world class players back then, we can't now, because we're not in the Champions League (we weren't in the European Cup back then either, but it wasn't as important at the time). You'd be hard pressed to find any player who wouldn't choose a club that's in the CL over a year of no European competition and an uncertain future at Milan.
Getting back to where we were before is going to be difficult. I believe it can be done, and I think we will do much better next year, but Berlusconi's Milan 2.0 will have to be built over time.
06-24-2015, 11:13 AM
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Lets nego with PSG to take TSilva + Ibra back, and get 1-2 more technical midfield plus couple of good young players, this should be enough for us to challenge for CL spot next season imo.
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Reports from Belgium are saying that we could be signing Witsel today. No confirmation yet, obviously, but let's see what happens.
And both La Repubblica and Il Giornale are saying that we had a meeting with Roma and Bertolacci's agent yesterday. The player apparently doesn't want to stay at Roma.
Was that on Wallonia ? are the credible ? As in do they print or post anything.
(06-24-2015, 12:35 PM)Jay Crisp Wrote: Was that on Wallonia ? are the credible ? As in do they print or post anything.
It's from sudinfo.be, which seems to be a news site. Whether they are credible or not I don't know.
I don't see much benefit in focusing too much on Kondogbia and Martinez, but just quickly, I agree with Jay that something about this doesn't make it seem like a case of chasing money. Milan apparently offered more to Kondogbia than Inter and even with the bonuses there's not a significant difference. On Martinez, currently it looks like Atletico will offer something similar to what Milan did, but again, the difference is wages seems fairly small. The other aspect of this is that representatives of both basically said the same, that Milan made very good offers, but they were more convinced of the other teams and their projects. I think there's a problem here in the way Milan are dealing with trying to get players (evident in the issues with Doyen), but also a problem in the way the project is being sold.
Anyway, the Higuain price is crazy, I really don't know what to think about it. I'm in agreement with those that say that a clear project needs to be in place. For me, there's a clear direction that can be taken, which is invest big for the short and medium term, but within realistic margins, but also invest big for long term prospects.
I'd try to follow the Juve model to an extent, but be prepared to invest that little more to offer greater guarantees. What I mean is Juve have built their current success on shrewd business and long term investing, something they've done for a while. You look at the backbone of the team and most of their players have been brought for great value for money. Chiellini was secured by Juve early on, Barzagli was pretty much free. Pirlo, Pogba, Llorente were free, Vidal and Tevez were brought for something around 12m each. The biggest investments have been Morata and Bonucci probably in recent years, costing around 20m and 15m respectively I think. Not huge sums, but they were both brought for long term investments and Bonucci has paid back the price paid, while Morata had a good season last year and can be an important player for them. Asamoah (very detable imo) and Isla are possibly the only players they overpaid for, but generally Juve have acted by buying smart and building a team rather than trying to buy huge names. Now they're in a position where they can command huge sums for some of these players.
Point is, Milan need to buy smart with targets that should be realistic and would work well in the team being set up, not just buy big. That in itself would be the short to medium term targets. On top of that, I think like pretty much any big club today, Milan need to invest on long term prospects. Again, Juve are like an example with the way they've secured some of the best Italian talents for the long term, like Sturaro, Rugani, Zaza and Berardi to name a few. For Milan, names like Ely, Jose Mauri, Gabriel Barbosa, Oliver Torres, Paco Alcacar, Andre Gomes and Rabiot need to be bought and managed as long term projects that will allow the club to reduce the need to spend huge in the future. Having huge numbers of players shouldn't be unmanageable, just deal with them on a case by case basis.
A guy like Rabiot, for example, would probably be a short, medium and long term investment playing an important role in the first team. Jose Mauri and Ely would need to be assessed to see if they are ready to contribute immediately in the squad for the coming season. A guy like Gabriel Barbosa I would want to see as a long term project, maybe loan him back to Santos for a year or two to develop in Brazil. After that, reassess him and maybe even consider a loan to a Portuguese club as a way to help ease his transition to European football. It supports the player, gives clear goals and targets to work to and the hope is that by the time he's ready to join Milan, he'll be around the age and maturity Neymar was when joining Barca. No doubt that in Neymar's case that waiting a year or two extra before coming to Europe helped him mature that little bit to shoulder the burden of playing at such a massive club so far from home.
Like I said, I don't buy the project thing. Every source out there reported that Kondogbia will make close to 5 mil with bonuses. Now the agents are saying Milan offered more? I don't buy it. Also, some media are now saying the same, but are not giving any figures. The one thing that nobody mentioned is the signing fees (which apparently Jackson got a huge one at AM) and the agent fees. These fees never come out in the open, but make a big difference. Like I said, the agent sure as hell won't say, "hey Inter fans, we were going to go to Milan, but you guys have us more money so why not."
06-24-2015, 01:28 PM
(This post was last modified: 06-24-2015, 01:39 PM by Mathias.)
It's all over Belgian news
"Ac milan signed the former standard player Axel Witsel. Axel Witsel will be following the footsteps of Andrea Pirlo. With his technical ability and footballing intelligence, he might become one of the best signings from the Italian giants in the past years. Ac Milan has been in decline since the departure of Zlatan Ibrahimovic and Thiago Silva. President Silvio Berlusconi is on a spending spree following yet another difficult season at San Siro. While undisclosed, the transfer fee is supposed to be around 25-30 million, making Axel 3,5 million euros per year"
Coming from the concentra group that prints 3 newspapers per day.
While I don't buy this news until Axel says it to the cameras wearing an Ac Milan shirt, this makes me EXTREMELY happy already. He's a fan of the club ever since he was little and I won't be surprised if he'll be our player of the season. He's not Xavi, but he's a damned good player at a reasonable price.
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