Summer mercato 2009

Originally Posted by GeoTav

No offense but did you read the article (and not only the title) or did you just want to have a reason to say something about Galliani ?

Galliani says we need experience to be able to fight for the CL, and not a too young team (refers to Arsenal ?). It doesn't mean he wants new experienced players, he just explained why we keep some "old" people, like Maldini for example.

None taken. I do, however, have a question of my own. I must have misread the article, but which part did he actually say that is the reason we keep the retirement folks here? What I took out of the article is that the same crappy transfer policy is going to continue for the foreseeable future and that is what makes me think Galliani has lost his mind. I guess we interpreted this article differently.

Originally Posted by slifersd

None taken. I do, however, have a question of my own. I must have misread the article, but which part did he actually say that is the reason we keep the retirement folks here? What I took out of the article is that the same crappy transfer policy is going to continue for the foreseeable future and that is what makes me think Galliani has lost his mind. I guess we interpreted this article differently.

I'm guessing Geotav is referring to trying to keep Maldini as that reason for keeping the older players.

Anyway, there's no point in taking anything from this article, because what Galliani says is quite clear. He wants quality, regardless of age to come into Milan. A side that is too young can't win a competition like CL, which is a fair point, but that doesn't rule out us getting young players altogether, as we have plenty of experience in our squad.

Also, let's not forget that just a few weeks ago the clubs line of communication was to get younger talents ready to make the jump into a big team.

Essentially, the club, and Galliani in particular never are honest or straight with the media, so really there's no point in splitting hairs over it.

I saw Galiani's interview on Milan channel.

I confirm what ACMilan1983 said very well.
Galliani also said that a mixture of experience and youth is needed to win in European competitions.

Fabregas, Iniesta, Messi, Cristiano Ronaldo....and so on. These players are the leaders of their teams in the Champions league.
That Galliani dude is just out of focus lately........"We like champions in Milan"

Get real man.....Mourinho is 10 times more fun and down to earth than Galli.

Gourcuff and Giovinco would already have had enough experience in European competitions if they were in Arsenal for example, but Italian clubs seem to have a different approach on that matter.

..that's why Italian clubs dominate in Europe these days......

Ancelotti has been offered a new contract until 2012...

First of all, I don't see anything wrong with what Galli said.

But if our transfer for next season, are Morientes, Grosso, Makelele, Pannucci and Cannavaro. Then there is really something wrong with us.

Having exp. players are great, but I think we already have one two many exp players.

Lets look at past CL winners(last few yrs) and how many over 30 players were in their starting 11+3 subs.

ManU: 3 Vandersal, Giggs and Scholes
Milan: Beside Kaka, Pirlo, Pato, Ambro and Gattuso, everyone were over 30
Bacelona: None
Liverpool: Dudek, Hypia, Hamann,and Smicer
Porto: Not too familar with this team but as far as I remember, they have none.
Milan: Rui Costa, Maldini, and Billy
Real: None
Bayern Munich: Kahn, Scholl, Matthaus, Effenberg, Lizarazu
Real: None
Man Utd: Irwin, Schmicheal,and Sheringham

As you can see, the chances of winning the CL with alot of 30 and over players is unlikely.

Maybe I should send this to Galliani, Berlu and Carlo

Alot of those teams had more players over 30 than you mentioned. The real problem is players arouind the 25-26 age who have good experience that we haven't signed frmo that range.

It's clear that the only reason experience is being mentioned imo is that carlo hasn't a clue about development, which is true for all coaches in serie a.

I'd love to see Milan promote 2 or 3 youngsters evry season like barca instead of mercenaries and hacks, an splease dont mention pressure as Carlo is under no pressure, otherwise he'd be fired after last season shambolic displays.

Originally Posted by gregapenny

Ancelotti has been offered a new contract until 2012...

love him or hate him he really has brought a level of stability to the club which i don't think we'll find with any other coach currently availble

might as well renew his contract

Originally Posted by Tony75

Alot of those teams had more players over 30 than you mentioned. The real problem is players arouind the 25-26 age who have good experience that we haven't signed frmo that range.

It's clear that the only reason experience is being mentioned imo is that carlo hasn't a clue about development, which is true for all coaches in serie a.

I'd love to see Milan promote 2 or 3 youngsters evry season like barca instead of mercenaries and hacks, an splease dont mention pressure as Carlo is under no pressure, otherwise he'd be fired after last season shambolic displays.

I'm all for bring youngsters up from Primavera IF they are good enough

we are fans we have NO idea about their developement,it's sooo easy to say and expect our youth to be young Maldini's and Kaka's but the reality is Milan have coachs who follow these kids every single day and help in their developement

can you point out to me which youngsters who've come through that have been "developed" poorly?

I understand the frustrations at watching the youth products of other clubs come through but lets not be unrealistic.

Most of them never get a proper chance other than getting 5 mins here and there, and they play too nervously as they never are given proper confidence.

Di gennaro was a great talent in youth but played 15 mins in one match, gets shipped to some average club, and then dissapears and people use that as proof he's not good enough. If you never get given a fair chance, you'll never be good enough.

Darmian has been poorly developed. His basic positional sense is poor.

Paloschi should still be in Milan, but his game outside of the box should've been developed better instead of making a box player, meaning that results are more important than development.

Originally Posted by Tony75

Paloschi should still be in Milan, but his game outside of the box should've been developed better instead of making a box player, meaning that results are more important than development.

I totally agree. Paloschi has been compared to Pippo, but he is different to him. He's better with playing with ball - he can do more. Alberto can play as a supporting forward or as a striker thanks to it.

About Di Gennaro - nowadays he is a favourite Reggina fan's player. I hope, he will develop. He should back to Genoa and develop at Luigi Ferraris, especially if Grifoni will play in Europe.

Darmian - should be loaned out. He will not develop anymore in Milan. Now he has to play, to improve himself.

PS.
Oh, Tony, you are from "polish city". ;)

At the end of the day long term success comes from nurturing youth too
Milan is never going to be Arsenal, even if we wanted it to be which we don't but going something like 50% in that direction I think will be much more successful than you might think and surely much cheaper.

Talking about names...2 guys that imo today are in a top-3 most underrated forwards in the world: Nilmar and Luis Fabiano.

If you guy have a chance(I will try to post the video here), watch the goal that Nilmar score today against Corinthians...a Pelé signature goal. What a player!!!

I still can´t believe that only Palermo is trying to buy him...Since he came back from that serious injure(besides the first 2 months) he´s playing in 2 or 3 level above of any forward in Brazil...and can´t see anyone in the world playing more than him(only equal).

Luis Fabiano also, in a year that he´s injured a lot, every time Sevilla or Brazil NT needs(and he´s full health), the guy scores...and also, they are amazing goals.

Just a little off topic since we aren´t linked to them(imo, a huge mistake), but with the level that these 2 are playing, still baffles me how underrated they are around the world...

@GeoTav You need to watch Nilmar goal!!!
EDIT: NIlmar goal...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXElYpKgWww

Originally Posted by Brasileiro

@GeoTav You need to watch Nilmar goal!!!
EDIT: NIlmar goal...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXElYpKgWww

OMG, thanks !!
It's what I call: pure Brazilian talent. Only Brazilian players and maybe Argentinian ones can do such things.

He beat 7 players + the GK !! Amazing !! Magnificient !!

The only bad point is that he probably couldn't do the same in Italy (not a lot of space) or England (they would break his legs lol), so if he wants to come back in Europe to show his whole talent (not only the finishing skills but also these kind of dribbles), the best place for him to explode would be a Spanish club, unfortunately !!

In this goal, it looks like a goal from the very in form Kaka, no "grigri" (I mean, no useless movements like Ronaldinho or C.Ronaldo like to do), "just" going faster than everyone and being smarter than the opponents.

Is it planned he could play for the Brazilian NT soon ??
Dunga said Ronaldo could be back if he manages to play a lot of games in a row, but I never saw anything about Nilmar ...

PS: He's really one of the most underrated strikers in the world (EDIT: I didn't read your first sentence in your last post, but I just did and I know we agree about that !! ). I read an article about him on a French site, it was a report about the interest from some Italian clubs, it was written last week, and they said in this one that he was a total failure in Lyon etc ... they bashed him whereas each time he got a chance there, he always did more than well.