Summer mercato 2009

Originally Posted by HO-YOUNG

Barca signed maxwell from inter for 4.5 euros!!!!

Barca fans have no reason to worry. A club that can unearth gems like Messi, Xavi, Iniesta from their youth sides and then go and sign players like Etoo and Alves have absolutely nothing to worry about.

Where as we have nothing to show for our youth system and the last Etoo/ Alves type signing (proven, still to reach his peak and potentially the best in the world in his position) we made was Flamini and before him Nesta.

Add to that Barca havent sold their best players!!

Originally Posted by K77SH C

Barca fans have no reason to worry. A club that can unearth gems like Messi, Xavi, Iniesta from their youth sides and then go and sign players like Etoo and Alves have absolutely nothing to worry about.

Where as we have nothing to show for our youth system and the last Etoo/ Alves type signing (proven, still to reach his peak and potentially the best in the world in his position) we made was Flamini and before him Nesta.

Add to that Barca havent sold their best players!!

Yeah, it's looking really bad for us now. Relegation next...

Originally Posted by Arildonardo

Yeah, it's looking really bad for us now. Relegation next...

Yep. I predict Milan will be relegated to Serie C2 by October.

Originally Posted by Rick

It's not a matter of comparing the quality between Barcelona and Milan. That's completely irrelevant. It's a matter of comparing the relative inatctivity in the transfer market. Barcelona may have better players, but Milan doesn't have Inter or Juve throwing hundreds of millions of euros around to buy Ronaldo, Kaka, Benzema, etc. Remember, while Barcelona is coming off a spectacular season, they had that season on the heels of two straight years with no trophies whatsoever. So they can't be feeling totally secure when they see Real Madrid buying some of the biggest players in the world. Yet, Barcelona (like Milan) is not going to panic just because a bunch of fans on a message board think the world is coming to an end. After all, Milan might not quite have Barcelona's roster at the moment, but they don't have to fend off Real Madrid either. They only have to keep pace with fairly mediocre Inter and Juventus.

To be clear :

Barca have very good team and made treble. In the other hand Madrid always buy and buy but never really win (they won the league but they don't build strong team. Now Madrid buy players who actually not better than Barca have. Messi-Henry-Eto'o-Iniesta-Xavi compare to Benzema (unproven), Kaka (underperformed) and Ronaldo? What are Barca afraid of?

Milan failed to qualify to CL in 2007/08 and they took 'champions' who gave few to Milan improvement. There were many holes that Milan must cover from last season problems and this season ones (like Kaka departure). In other situation Inter who won again the League strengthen their club with good signings. Juve who finished second also made major signings, Diego and Melo.
And what about Milan? They got free CB who unknown before Confed Cup and some schoolboys players. Please don't tell about co-own players. They are not what Milan need regarding the quality they have.

If Juve and Inter are fairly mediocre and then they did good signings then they should be better than fairly mediocre. Milan lost Kaka and were worse than Inter and Juve last season so I don't know which word is suitable for Milan right now.

Originally Posted by Rick

Yep. I predict Milan will be relegated to Serie C2 by October.

I just had to... I'm getting sick and tired of all those whining people that have written the same posts 154 times about the bad state we're in, and that we haven't signed 17 new players at a total of £349 million so far in this transfer window...

This market is getting comical. We've sold Kaka for close to 60m, Gourcuff for 15m and the only "significant" signing was Onyewu. I think getting the young players we did (Baretta, Gi Gennaro, Zignoni) may be good for the future but in terms of next year the squad has gotten worse.

We've also become laughable in the market. Sevilla's president saying we cant afford a player like Fabiano, the whole Cissoko disaster and Sao Paulo president comparing what we offered for Santos and Hernanes to bananas.

We have been linked with Dzeko, Fabiano, Huntlear, Adebeyor,
Hernanes, now D'Agostino (who I don't see how we can afford)
Criscito (that story lasted a day), Mexes, Santos, Lucio and now Evra and none of these players have arrived.

Inter, Juve, Napoli have gotten better while our management sits on its hands.

Originally Posted by Arildonardo

I just had to... I'm getting sick and tired of all those whining people that have written the same posts 154 times about the bad state we're in, and that we haven't signed 17 new players at a total of £349 million so far in this transfer window...

Same here. I am getting sick and tired of all those Berlusconi and Galliani followers who say from a couple of seasons that we are ok, we are champion, Ronaldinho is the most talented player in this planet who can safe Milan, etc., and boom Milan only got 3rd spot in Serie A (of course with so many alibies) inspite of Scudetto which were Milan top target.

Originally Posted by Siregar

To be clear :

Barca have very good team and made treble. In the other hand Madrid always buy and buy but never really win (they won the league but they don't build strong team. Now Madrid buy players who actually not better than Barca have. Messi-Henry-Eto'o-Iniesta-Xavi compare to Benzema (unproven), Kaka (underperformed) and Ronaldo? What are Barca afraid of?

But you know what? The year before Barcelona had Messi, Henry, Eto'o, Iniesta and Xavi. You know where they finished? Third. Real Madrid was the champion. The year before that Barcelona finished second to Madrid. So one great season doesn't mean that much in the whole scheme of things.

Milan failed to qualify to CL in 2007/08 and they took 'champions' who gave few to Milan improvement. There were many holes that Milan must cover from last season problems and this season ones (like Kaka departure).

But despite all those "problems," Milan was good enough to qualify for the Champions League this year. And players such as Nesta, Gattuso and Borriello are back in the lineup.

In other situation Inter who won again the League strengthen their club with good signings. Juve who finished second also made major signings, Diego and Melo.
And what about Milan? They got free CB who unknown before Confed Cup and some schoolboys players. Please don't tell about co-own players. They are not what Milan need regarding the quality they have.

If Juve and Inter are fairly mediocre and then they did good signings then they should be better than fairly mediocre. Milan lost Kaka and were worse than Inter and Juve last season so I don't know which word is suitable for Milan right now.

Inter and Juventus have made some nice signings -- not exactly Real Madrid, but nice. And Milan still has a month and a half in the transfer market to make nice signings of their own. As I said before, if Milan brings in Fabiano, Hernanes, D'Agostino or whoever it might be in August, that doesn't make them lesser players than they would be if Milan signed them today. Oh, and Juve was not better than Milan last year. The two clubs finished level on points. If Italy used the same tiebreakers as England and Spain, it would have been Milan who would have been declared runner-up.

Originally Posted by Arildonardo

I just had to... I'm getting sick and tired of all those whining people that have written the same posts 154 times about the bad state we're in, and that we haven't signed 17 new players at a total of £349 million so far in this transfer window...

Haha. I know what you mean. You'd think some people had never seen a transfer market before. And they certainly haven't been paying attention to anyone but Milan and maybe Real Madrid because the transfer market has been slow all over this summer as clubs wait out the big prices being asked in the wake of Real Madrid's teenage-girl-with-wealthy-mom's-credit-card-on-Rodeo-Drive spending spree.

Originally Posted by Rick

It's not a matter of comparing the quality between Barcelona and Milan. That's completely irrelevant. It's a matter of comparing the relative inatctivity in the transfer market. Barcelona may have better players, but Milan doesn't have Inter or Juve throwing hundreds of millions of euros around to buy Ronaldo, Kaka, Benzema, etc. Remember, while Barcelona is coming off a spectacular season, they had that season on the heels of two straight years with no trophies whatsoever. So they can't be feeling totally secure when they see Real Madrid buying some of the biggest players in the world. Yet, Barcelona (like Milan) is not going to panic just because a bunch of fans on a message board think the world is coming to an end. After all, Milan might not quite have Barcelona's roster at the moment, but they don't have to fend off Real Madrid either. They only have to keep pace with fairly mediocre Inter and Juventus.

Inter and Juve mediocre, I dont think so.

Firstly Inter, has one of the best coaches in the game. They have Ibrahimovich and Maicon who are two of most sought after players in Seria A and probably the best two players in Seria A right now. Cesar is an excellent goalkeeper too. They have rectified their issue of not having enough young Italians coming through either. We could only wish we had young Italians the quality of Santon and Balotelli. They have just signed Milito and Motta who have probably been the revelation of seria A this season (From the smaller clubs anyway). They have a massive amount to do with Genoa's success. Add that to the battlers like Cambiasso, Chivu, Zanetti, Cordoba, Muntari. Add to those they have brought back Quaresma and seem to have the young Brazilian Kerlon on their roster this season. They are constantly linked to players like Carvallio and Deco, who quite honestly would walk into the Milan side and we couldnt afford them anyway. But lets use your rule of patience and say the mercato is long, who knows who else they will sign???

As for Juve, they have a the best goalkeeper in the world, they have a big skillful centreforeward (Something we are supposedly after) supported by Delpiero and Trez who still score loads of goals. The mdifield is immense Diego, Melo, Camronesi, Sissokho (still only 24 by the way), Zanetti, Poulson. They have the young Italian talent that we dont in Giovinco, De Ceglie, Marchisio and Chiellini. Their defence although containing more reliable centebacks than we do, isnt that great. But lets apply the rule of loads of time before the end of the mercato. Add a player like Zapatta or Santacrocce and they are light years ahead of us.

So we do have to keep pace with Inter and Juve, but they are far from mediocre. In fact if they carry on with their very strategic approach there is now way why they cant beat Real or Barca. Where as we dont have an approach

Originally Posted by Siregar

Same here. I am getting sick and tired of all those Berlusconi and Galliani followers who say from a couple of seasons that we are ok, we are champion, Ronaldinho is the most talented player in this planet who can safe Milan, etc., and boom Milan only got 3rd spot in Serie A (of course with so many alibies) inspite of Scudetto which were Milan top target.

There is a thin line between optimism and denial.

Originally Posted by Siregar

Same here. I am getting sick and tired of all those Berlusconi and Galliani followers who say from a couple of seasons that we are ok, we are champion, Ronaldinho is the most talented player in this planet who can safe Milan, etc., and boom Milan only got 3rd spot in Serie A (of course with so many alibies) inspite of Scudetto which were Milan top target.

Well, I'm not one of those either.

But I sincerely think that Berlusconi and Galliani aren't out to ruin our club and that 29 is no age to be finished as a footballer when you have been the best in the world (although Ronaldinho still have got a lot to prove at Milan). It's just not the best of times for us right now and I accept that and I think we can overcome them, just like we have done in the past (like in the late 90's, we weren't exactly favorites in 1998–99). There's always going to be ups and downs... I see no reason to paint everything black. And no, I'm not happy with 3rd spot in Serie A.

Originally Posted by Rick

But you know what? The year before Barcelona had Messi, Henry, Eto'o, Iniesta and Xavi. You know where they finished? Third. Real Madrid was the champion. The year before that Barcelona finished second to Madrid. So one great season doesn't mean that much in the whole scheme of things.

Yes, that's true but Barcelona were still a strong team but with problems that didn't came from the quality of the players. That's why they didn't need many signings, only 1-2 signings and they were treble. With Milan is completely different. Milan have problem with their roster/players.

Originally Posted by Rick

But despite all those "problems," Milan was good enough to qualify for the Champions League this year. And players such as Nesta, Gattuso and Borriello are back in the lineup.

LOL. 3rd spot are for Milan who had only to play in UEFA? We are not talking about a club like Fiorentina here.

Originally Posted by Rick

Inter and Juventus have made some nice signings -- not exactly Real Madrid, but nice. And Milan still has a month and a half in the transfer market to make nice signings of their own. As I said before, if Milan brings in Fabiano, Hernanes, D'Agostino or whoever it might be in August, that doesn't make them lesser players than they would be if Milan signed them today. Oh, and Juve was not better than Milan last year. The two clubs finished level on points. If Italy used the same tiebreakers as England and Spain, it would have been Milan who would have been declared runner-up.

It's true that Juve and Milan had same points. But Juve were in Serie B in 2006/07. FYI Milan were King of Europe in that year.

About players coming in July, August or end of August are a bit diffrent. New players who come sooner can have time to adapt with Milan especially with the training (tactic/strategy of the coach).

Originally Posted by Rick

As I said before, if Milan brings in Fabiano, Hernanes, D'Agostino or whoever it might be in August, that doesn't make them lesser players than they would be if Milan signed them today. Oh, and Juve was not better than Milan last year. The two clubs finished level on points. If Italy used the same tiebreakers as England and Spain, it would have been Milan who would have been declared runner-up.

2 things, if there was a tie breaker, you forget Juve handed our asses to us in Turin and we could only manage a 1-1 draw in the San Siro despite having a tiny chance of applying pressure on Inter.

What would you define as a good mercato this year. Who would we need to sign? Just so I can come back to you on whether you still trust Galliani and Belusconi. Because I already see a problem with the three players you mention. We will be lucky to get one, nevermind all three.

Originally Posted by Rick

...Real Madrid's teenage-girl-with-wealthy-mom's-credit-card-on-Rodeo-Drive spending spree...

Good one.

Originally Posted by Arildonardo

Well, I'm not one of those either.

But I sincerely think that Berlusconi and Galliani aren't out to ruin our club and that 29 is no age to be finished as a footballer when you have been the best in the world (although Ronaldinho still have got a lot to prove at Milan). It's just not the best of times for us right now and I accept that and I think we can overcome them, just like we have done in the past (like in the late 90's, we weren't exactly favorites in 1998–99). There's always going to be ups and downs... I see no reason to paint everything black. And no, I'm not happy with 3rd spot in Serie A.

Well to be honest, I didn't want to point out my post to certain users. I only don't agree with post that telling they are getting sick and tired about this and that post. Just let fans give their ideas, opinions and even frustations (but staying in the rule of course).

About Ronaldinho, I just don't agree the concept of Berlusconi and Galliani. They only see Ronaldinho mostly from his name. We need a big CF in that time but we bought Ronaldinho (who were totally not fit) to sacrifice a big CF. The victim had to be the coach (Ancelotti).