Summer Mercato 2010

Originally Posted by GeoTav

Just think about something ... Even if I'm against T.Silva leaving, what about a swap of T.Silva with VdV and Kaka' ? Then, the possible (and probable if such a thing happened) sale of Ronaldinho could finance the purchase of a new CD ?

Nice idea but two things:

1. Real Madrid will never humiliate themselves by selling Kaka back cheaply. They would rather have him rot on the bench than concede such a heavy defeat.

2. In my opinion Silva is worth more than 15 million (what we can get from sale of Ronaldinho). His current market value may be close to 15 m, but I feel that he will show his best in the future, and we would regret selling him.

Originally Posted by hitmannq8

Geo: I think we sold Kaka knowing about his injury. We won't be getting him back. Not a bad thought, but I think we finally found a player like T.Silva, we shouldn't sell him for 2-3 years. He comes 2nd after Pato.

No, actually, I agree and am against the sale of T.Silva, I said almost exactly the same thing as you some pages ago when the first rumours about the interest of Real Madrid appeared ...

It's just something that came to my mind by reading the article, then, I wouldn't really support that if that was for real ...

Originally Posted by fLame

Nice idea but two things:

1. Real Madrid will never humiliate themselves by selling Kaka back cheaply. They would rather have him rot on the bench than concede such a heavy defeat.

2. In my opinion Silva is worth more than 15 million (what we can get from sale of Ronaldinho). His current market value may be close to 15 m, but I feel that he will show his best in the future, and we would regret selling him.

1. I find it extremely impossible that Kaka will return and i am not sure that he will be the same Kaka we all admired in San Siro. And there is always that injury thing that keeps bugging him.

2. I agree. Silva and Pato are the only players that can be considered an almost sure investment for the future as long as top-class football is concerned. I think nobody can say the same thing for Abbate or Antonini. So i think that Milan, as a team, must make it a priority to keep them both in San Siro. Imagine these two guys after 4-5 years still playing for our team. I can already see them as a part of our future backbone. I think they have what it takes. What do you guys think?

as bad as we all felt when it happened maybe the sale of Kaka is the best and wiseest sale we have made in recent seasons, or Madrid are really stupid

Daniel Alves (Barcelona), Rafael (Manchester United), Andre Santos (Fenerbahce), Marcelo (Real Madrid), David Luiz (Benfica), Henrique (Racing), Rever (Atletico-MG), Thiago Silva (Milan)

thats brasil efence line call up. i tink Silva has the best chance of starting at cb.

no matter how funny it would be to see kaka back here for free, i would want him back.

Originally Posted by fLame

Nice idea but two things:

1. Real Madrid will never humiliate themselves by selling Kaka back cheaply. They would rather have him rot on the bench than concede such a heavy defeat.

2. In my opinion Silva is worth more than 15 million (what we can get from sale of Ronaldinho). His current market value may be close to 15 m, but I feel that he will show his best in the future, and we would regret selling him.

yea, i think the best of silva is yet to come and hes still young but very young in comparison to the span of a cb's career.. getting kaka back wont happen. Selling kaka and sheva at the times they did were very smart moves from milan because both of them were flops the next season pretty much.. however, they did nothing to replace them.. regardless of how they preform at their new club how they preform at milan was a big deal.

Originally Posted by bayern

I don't think Jucilei will be called for the next friendly though.

OMG, is Bruno Cesar turning to be the true leader of a 10 Brazil has not in Kaka ? The boy is impressing me even more. He will get called for the match by Mano that is for sure and hugily deserved.

Bruno Cesar is probably the best attacking Brazilian player right now.
Totally new player for Corinthians, attacking midfielder in 8 games 6 goals, and each of the 6 goals was either the 1-0 lead or the winning goal.

Don't bet against me, bayern

Getting Brazilian press and most fans in a surprise, Mano Menezes called Jucilei today in his first list. People are confused because they were betting Elias(very good MD) would be the Corinthians player called. Now his price will be high and if things go as I think, EPL teams will jump on the race...

Regarding Bruno Cesar, very promising!! But still early to this type of hype(imo). Lets see how he finishes Brasileirão. One thing is for sure, it's not easy to come from a small team to play for Corinthians and shine... Even more so early. The difference in pressure is enormous! Props to him, but lets wait a little more before calling him the next big thing...

Originally Posted by payne

Daniel Alves (Barcelona), Rafael (Manchester United), Andre Santos (Fenerbahce), Marcelo (Real Madrid), David Luiz (Benfica), Henrique (Racing), Rever (Atletico-MG), Thiago Silva (Milan)

thats brasil efence line call up. i tink Silva has the best chance of starting at cb.

Barring injure, T. Silva will be a starter, payne...

Just to clarify, several names couldn't be called for this game so, imo guys like Alex(Chelsea) and Mario Fernandes(Grêmio) would have be called if not injured. Also, there's a rumor Maicon asked to not be called this time.

I like Mano Menezes first call up. Still think Arouca deserved to be there, but I can't argue with the names he called for DM. Very promising start for Brazil NT...

Here's the full list:

Goalkeepers: Victor (Gremio), Renan (Avai), Jefferson (Botafogo)

Defenders: Daniel Alves (Barcelona), Rafael (Manchester United), Andre Santos (Fenerbahce), Marcelo (Real Madrid), David Luiz (Benfica), Henrique (Racing), Rever (Atletico-MG), Thiago Silva (Milan)

Midfielders: Sandro (Internacional), Ramires (Benfica), Lucas (Liverpool), Jucilei (Corinthians), Ganso (Santos), Ederson (Lyon), Hernanes (Sao Paulo), Carlos Eduardo (Hoffenheim)

Forwards: Robinho (Santos), Diego Tardelli (Atletico-MG), Alexandre Pato (Milan), Andre (Santos), Neymar (Santos)

Alot of young people here. Good to see Pato and Thiago Silva there, hopefully this time around the coach won't have a problem with Pato like Dunga did. Haven't heard about the two Atlético Mineiro guys are they any good?

Btw what do you think Mano Menezes Brasileiro? Read he was gonna play 4-2-3-1, does this mean Robinho as a LW'er or what? Could be quite similar to Dunga's formation though, you could make a case for calling Dunga's Brazil a 4-2-3-1.

Originally Posted by Brasileiro

Don't bet against me, bayern
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Never thought that Mano would call Jucilei up, ever since he was not even a starter in the last games, minus last match.


Still huge dissappointed that he did not take Bruno Cesar, but his time will come.

Happy for my Hoffenheim boy Carlos Eduardo.

4 santos players - huge NO-GO.

Originally Posted by Christian

Here's the full list:
Alot of young people here. Good to see Pato and Thiago Silva there, hopefully this time around the coach won't have a problem with Pato like Dunga did. Haven't heard about the two Atlético Mineiro guys are they any good?

Diego Tardelli is the same forward disappointed at PSV and Betis. To be fair, I watched a lot of his game at PSV, and Koeman(sp?) and other coach misused him. He played a lot as winger and was completely lost. The guy is more a CF and can also play as a second-striker.

Is a product of São Paulo academy, but had some character problems in the beginning of his career. It's funny that he is still young, but since he started to play pro-football so early, I was thinking he was already at 28/29yo. Very skilled, score at will, and just 2 years ago turned his career, changing his attitude and became a real professional.

The other is the CB called Rever that played for Mano Menezes at Grêmio. Big guy, but that I always thought was a little over hyped. Is coming back from a team of Bundesleague, because was bench material for his coach. Asked to come back to Brazil. Never rated him high(the other CB Henrique, too) but the press hyped them a lot in the past. Well, I'm almost always against Brazilian press/fans hype anyway

Btw what do you think Mano Menezes Brasileiro? Read he was gonna play 4-2-3-1, does this mean Robinho as a LW'er or what? Could be quite similar to Dunga's formation though, you could make a case for calling Dunga's Brazil a 4-2-3-1.

Mano is a great coach. Very different of the last Brazilians "coaches"(Zagalo, Parreira and Dunga), studies a lot about the game, watch films(of games) in a NFL coach way, loves to watch games at the stadium(yep, Parreira, Zagalo and Dunga hate it )and maybe for this, his teams are always well organized. So, don't expect a crazy Brazil NT attacking a lot without defensive organization. He is a real coach and will want a balanced team.

Is a fan of 4-2-3-1, and said today will try this at Brazil NT. Always like to play with 2 DM, but likes the ones that know how to create. The proof is in the 4 he call today(Sandro, Jucilei, Lucas and Hernanes). All can defend and attack.

Btw, you're completely right, Dunga's Brazil played a 4-2-3-1, with a little difference from the majority played in Europe. Robinho didn't have to defend like a LW, and that was the reason for Elano at the right. Also, F. Melo was responsible for to protect that left right and free Robinho. The press are raving here for maybe a...
---------------------------Pato-------------------------
------Robinho-------------Ganso---------------Neymar---

... Against USA in August 10. It would be almost a Santos copy, but I don't believe Mano will try this. Yet, it would be interesting to see...

Originally Posted by MilanMikey

i agree with you on everything you said cept for kaladze - honestly guys you have give him some credit, he had a really good season that year his brother died, cant remember the year just remember hearing it but back then he was a pretty solid defender, just a good back up though none the less.. i think what we need is a player like maicon.. if you pay attention to inters game play its all around maicon coming in with crosses etc sneijder in the middle controlling the hole play and milito upfront to score.. see inter has a bunch of good players but ther tactics are what makes them so good aswell, milito was never really anything special but a pure goalscoarer inzaghi type forward, with players like that if you have good service from the wings/mid then its not too hard to score, ex when we had kaka him and inzaghi even at inzaghis old age were a pretty good combination

OK, i admit that maybe i aint giving Kaladze enough credit. Truth is, he was solid. I just think that sometimes that was not enough. Anyway, nobody can say he did harm to Milan.

As for Maicon, i agree we need a player like him. Us and every single coach in the world. But i am afraid a full back like him is nowhere to be found. I know you mean someone in the same style but i d love to grab him from Inter. The guy is a monster. Even the mighty Dani Alves is a step behind him in my opinion.
Oh, where are the good old times, when you could exchange Francesco Coco for Seedorf and get Pirlo with little money and one Drazen Brncic...

Inzaghi was a different player with Kaka behind him. More chances to score. It was a nice partnership that also happened to seal that magic night in Athens...

Originally Posted by GeoTav

Maicon is one player on a million ...
Milito has always been underrated (he was underrated, I thought it was over, but actually, despite his first excellent season during his first season in a big club, the guy seems to still be underrated) ...

Our problem isn't tactical, our problem is about the quality of our players: we're unable to keep possession, what was our force for so many years ... and like our defense has been worse and worse every year (because back in the recent past, even without possession, we were able to be dominated without conceding all the time, nowadays, when a team dominates against us, we concede, as simple as that, we're unable to defend as a team), that gives our Milan, able to be good when the main players are in a good form, but not better than a mid-table team when these players are injured or unconfident.

We need a new step in quality:
- in attack, if Pato can explode to the highest level (now that he physically matured, I read that when he arrived, he was 1.71m, now he is 1.80m), we don't need anyone, even if we couldn't refuse Dzeko if he had to come as he would add some quality to an already good part of our team.
- in midfield, we clearly need new players, no new DM, we need running players able to dribble and pass, CM or AM, we don't care, both would be needed.
- in defense, I think we did some good moves, a new starting RB, around the age of 25-26, would be fantastic because our defense would be set for some years.

So actually, without thinking about our tactics, because I have full confidence in the qualities of Allegri regarding tactics, we're just 1 player away from having again a good/very good first team, and we're 2-3 players away from having a good overall squad (first team + bench) ... It will probably be too much for this single summer mercato, it's why I think we'll be there in Serie A this season, without thinking or dreaming about a possible win (even if I actually always hope we will win this Scudetto again), but we could well be back in the top of Italy and probably Europe in 2011-2012 ...

Exactly.

haha those were the good old days, players like pirlo and seedorf back then young talents never get sold at cheap prices nowadays.. and yea i do agree, i just re read my post on the kaladze part- perhaps i did over rate him a bit but u hit it dead on, he did us no arm tbh and had his couple good seasons.. soccer changed now too- it became a faster sport.. back when milan had their christmas tree formation, that was beautiful soccer handling posetion the hole game and scoring beautiful goals.. nowadays the best clubs are usually reliant on a solid defence,fast wingers and a midfielder capable of setting up plays (pirlo,r10 kaka etc players of that sort.) ahh its sad to see seria a once an overly competitive league resorting to a more kick and run based football nnot sure if i expressed it properly but what i mean is more basic game play but more efficient.. what happened to the milan and juve that could be efficient and play beautiful football...its sad to see the strongest start losing to the likes of inter who used to be half the team we were and teams like genoa and fiorentina/roma almost reaching us in the standings year in year out.. comon.. were ac milan we should be nowhere close to these teams tbh

.sorry double post

In a way, it was good to see a team like Spain winning the WC. As they played a more attractive football than kick and run. The problem, not a lot of teams(both clubs and countries) have the players to play that way. Barcelona and Real(if JM sorts the midfield out) are the only two teams that have the players, while the rest just don't.