Winter Mercato 2011

Coentrao and Bale are IMO the same players (Coentrao is better): they're not fullbacks and I hardly see them playing them in this position. If one of them was to come in Milan and play as a FB, I'd hope to be wrong, but right now, it would be a waste of time, talent and money for both players and the club.

PS: Why would they come in Milan to play as a FB if they can go, let's say to Real Madrid for example and play in their real position ? I think the players sometimes make rational choices ...

Originally Posted by Arildonardo

- Gareth Bale is making Maicon looking like a traning cone.

Oh Bale how I loveth you.

Originally Posted by Arildonardo

- Gareth Bale is making Maicon looking like a traning cone.

What's this guy having for a dinner? It's on 88th minute and he can still sprint almost half the field. To Inter defense he must be the new Serginho.

Originally Posted by GeoTav

Coentrao and Bale are IMO the same players (Coentrao is better): they're not fullbacks and I hardly see them playing them in this position. If one of them was to come in Milan and play as a FB, I'd hope to be wrong, but right now, it would be a waste of time, talent and money for both players and the club.

PS: Why would they come in Milan to play as a FB if they can go, let's say to Real Madrid for example and play in their real position ? I think the players sometimes make rational choices ...

Marcelo?

Originally Posted by GeoTav

Coentrao and Bale are IMO the same players (Coentrao is better): they're not fullbacks and I hardly see them playing them in this position. If one of them was to come in Milan and play as a FB, I'd hope to be wrong, but right now, it would be a waste of time, talent and money for both players and the club.

PS: Why would they come in Milan to play as a FB if they can go, let's say to Real Madrid for example and play in their real position ? I think the players sometimes make rational choices ...

From what I've seen Coentrao plays full back much better than Bale plays full back, Bale's just excellent at a wing these days. Seems like he's already one of the best pure wingers today. Don't forget that Coentrao always plays full back for Portugal, and though he's still new to the Portugeuse national team, he was still part of a very solid defense at the world cup.

Anyways, I'm pretty sure both players would come to Milan if given the chance. They both know that these days not alot of the biggest clubs are looking for traditional wingers, and would use them as full backs. On one hand there's a trend of playing inverted wingers, and most of those clubs that do use traditional wingers are mostly booked.

both coentrao and bale are gr8,but its clear that bale is the next big thing..not that coentrao isnt,but bale is already playing on higher levels because of epl..

today he made maicon seem like an old fool man..loved it

I strongly disagree that Bale & Coentrao cannot play LEFT BACK...

With good coaching (Marcelo) they can be excellent there. Would you rather Antonini?? De Ceglie? comeon guys let's be real...

I'd take Coentrao in a heart beat.. he scored 2 goals today and looked very solid in WC....

what we got is SH&T right now at Fullback. Let's be honest....

If we don't get them then Juventus should as they play a 4-4-2...and Pepe don't cut the mustard...

Coentrao definitely can defend...he obviously is not world class yet, but offensively he is fantastic and he runs all the time back and forth. Coentrao is perfect for us (even Serginho wasn't the best defender).

Bale I cannot judge on his defense as I haven't seen him enough, but this year from midfield he's been absolutely world class. His two games against Inter have been spectacular and I haven't seen anyone own a team so badly since Ronaldinho's days at Barca.

Our main problem is the midfield!
Look at Barcelona and the spanish team, they have Xavi and Iniesta and they are dominating almost every game, not because of Messi, because of these two midfielders! Without them Messi wouldn't be that awsome!!
Most games are decided in the midfield!!
When Pirlo, Seedorf and Gattuso were in their prime, we won every battle in the midfield!
If the midfield works well, they put the strikers in better position to score, and help the defense and take some pressure off from them!
Nowadays soccer is faster and faster and needs lots of space and stamina besides the creativity!
Our attack is one of the strongest in the world, our defense is not so bad (of course it would be nice to have two great fullbacks, but Nesta and Thiago Silva are one of the bests)
But our midfielders are finished, they are twoo old, slow and not hungry, motivated! In the last 10 years we always changed our attack and defense but our midfield remained almost the same!
We can dominate in one or two games with this midfield, or small teams in Seria A, but in Europe, not any more and we miss consistency!
Everyone says that Seedorf, Gattuso and Ambrosini are finished, yes I agree, they are done, but I see our biggest flop and luxury is Pirlo! Yes, he can pass, and his vision is super, but that's all, he is slow, can't run any more, can't dribble, and he is a luxury in our midfield! We would need two defensive guy to cover up Pirlo!
Beside Xavi and Iniesta I only see 3 guys who can be a great Pirlo replacement: Fabregas, Hernanes, Modric! It's easier to find great defensive midfielders, but it's very rare to find creative guys who can dictate the tempo!
I wouldn't change our attack next summer, I would add min. one fb and cb, but I totally revolutionised our midfield!
We have to get rid of Seedorf, Pirlo, Gattuso and Ambrosini, invest in one creative and one defensive midfielder and bring up Merkel, who can bring a german mentality, to die on the pitch!!
Flamini, Boateng, Merkel, Strasser, Poli, CM, DM and we are set!
Ronaldinho, Robinho and Pato would be much better behind this midfield, and our defense would have less pressure!

Originally Posted by Brasileiro

Siregar, I respect bayern because he really watch Brazilian league, so he has the rights to express his opinion...Thats said, I strongly disagree with his Bruno Cesar opinion. Bruno is a good prospect, but FAR AWAY from Ganso's level. Far, far, far... is not even close... at least in my opinion.

Bruno is scoring a lot, no doubt... but he also shoots a lot!! Very selfish for my #10. I still can't say if Bruno is a #10 or a second striker. He score like a second striker(lacks speed), but stil didn't show he can be the "creator" of the team...

To make it short, imo the actual Bruno would be a flop at Milan, and compare him to Ganso is deadly wrong. One more time, thats my opinion...

EDITED:To be fair, I have to say Bruno is a amazing FK taker... and only in that area he's better than Ganso.
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I don't think Bruno Cesar would flop at Milan, because he already plays like a European playmaker and not like a brasilian revelation with two million dribbling. :neymar:

By the way, in all games Bruno faced Ganso, Bruno was better than PH Ganso. In Santo Andre jersey as much as in Corinthians jersey.

Ganso is a good prospect. But he is also one big hype.

edit:
BTW: BC10 is playing tonight - people should make a picture themselves.

Originally Posted by gregorio

Our main problem is the midfield!
Look at Barcelona and the spanish team, they have Xavi and Iniesta and they are dominating almost every game, not because of Messi, because of these two midfielders! Without them Messi wouldn't be that awsome!!
Most games are decided in the midfield!!
When Pirlo, Seedorf and Gattuso were in their prime, we won every battle in the midfield!
If the midfield works well, they put the strikers in better position to score, and help the defense and take some pressure off from them!
Nowadays soccer is faster and faster and needs lots of space and stamina besides the creativity!
Our attack is one of the strongest in the world, our defense is not so bad (of course it would be nice to have two great fullbacks, but Nesta and Thiago Silva are one of the bests)
But our midfielders are finished, they are twoo old, slow and not hungry, motivated! In the last 10 years we always changed our attack and defense but our midfield remained almost the same!
We can dominate in one or two games with this midfield, or small teams in Seria A, but in Europe, not any more and we miss consistency!
Everyone says that Seedorf, Gattuso and Ambrosini are finished, yes I agree, they are done, but I see our biggest flop and luxury is Pirlo! Yes, he can pass, and his vision is super, but that's all, he is slow, can't run any more, can't dribble, and he is a luxury in our midfield! We would need two defensive guy to cover up Pirlo!
Beside Xavi and Iniesta I only see 3 guys who can be a great Pirlo replacement: Fabregas, Hernanes, Modric! It's easier to find great defensive midfielders, but it's very rare to find creative guys who can dictate the tempo!
I wouldn't change our attack next summer, I would add min. one fb and cb, but I totally revolutionised our midfield!
We have to get rid of Seedorf, Pirlo, Gattuso and Ambrosini, invest in one creative and one defensive midfielder and bring up Merkel, who can bring a german mentality, to die on the pitch!!
Flamini, Boateng, Merkel, Strasser, Poli, CM, DM and we are set!
Ronaldinho, Robinho and Pato would be much better behind this midfield, and our defense would have less pressure!

I am still not sure if our biggest problem is fullback or creative midfielder but I tend to go to the last part. We really need creative midfielder. Pirlo can't do it alone even since he started his job as deep-playing playmaker with Milan.

So, I absolutely disagree with most of your say about Pirlo. From all games Milan have done with Pirlo, he just has been like that: slow, never dribble (he has the ability to cover the ball very well but not to dribble it) and can't run. The problem is, he can't play with the ball from our defensive area until opponent defensive area. It is almost impossible. Either he plays as deep-playing playmaker accompanied by creative midfielder or he plays as offensive midfielder, it can be in old Seedorf position or playmaker behind strikers.

If we take Pirlo out and have only one creative midfielder with our current squad, it won't be better. Boateng and Robinho until now haven't shown that they can fill the position Seedorf and Ronaldinho have with regard the offensiveness creativity they are able to do.

Originally Posted by gregorio

Our main problem is the midfield!
Look at Barcelona and the spanish team, they have Xavi and Iniesta and they are dominating almost every game, not because of Messi, because of these two midfielders! Without them Messi wouldn't be that awsome!!
Most games are decided in the midfield!!
When Pirlo, Seedorf and Gattuso were in their prime, we won every battle in the midfield!
If the midfield works well, they put the strikers in better position to score, and help the defense and take some pressure off from them!
Nowadays soccer is faster and faster and needs lots of space and stamina besides the creativity!
Our attack is one of the strongest in the world, our defense is not so bad (of course it would be nice to have two great fullbacks, but Nesta and Thiago Silva are one of the bests)
But our midfielders are finished, they are twoo old, slow and not hungry, motivated! In the last 10 years we always changed our attack and defense but our midfield remained almost the same!
We can dominate in one or two games with this midfield, or small teams in Seria A, but in Europe, not any more and we miss consistency!
Everyone says that Seedorf, Gattuso and Ambrosini are finished, yes I agree, they are done, but I see our biggest flop and luxury is Pirlo! Yes, he can pass, and his vision is super, but that's all, he is slow, can't run any more, can't dribble, and he is a luxury in our midfield! We would need two defensive guy to cover up Pirlo!
Beside Xavi and Iniesta I only see 3 guys who can be a great Pirlo replacement: Fabregas, Hernanes, Modric! It's easier to find great defensive midfielders, but it's very rare to find creative guys who can dictate the tempo!
I wouldn't change our attack next summer, I would add min. one fb and cb, but I totally revolutionised our midfield!
We have to get rid of Seedorf, Pirlo, Gattuso and Ambrosini, invest in one creative and one defensive midfielder and bring up Merkel, who can bring a german mentality, to die on the pitch!!
Flamini, Boateng, Merkel, Strasser, Poli, CM, DM and we are set!
Ronaldinho, Robinho and Pato would be much better behind this midfield, and our defense would have less pressure!

Excellent post although it's nothing I have not said nor others on these boards.

We also need FB's. Unfortunately we need both to be the powerhouse team we wish to be. I agree getting rid of the ENTIRE Midfield is what we need to do. Promoting Strasser & Merkel and buying maybe Jucilei and Ganso or players of the like is what we need to do. I'm not saying they have to be two Brazilians, Honda, VdV, I can't really think of too many others. Pastore is out of the question as he's too expensive now.

I like Coentrao as LB. Can anyone tell me another FB that is available and as good ? I don't think anyone can...

Originally Posted by Elmago99

I like Coentrao as LB. Can anyone tell me another FB that is available and as good ? I don't think anyone can...

Do you follow his games in Portuguese League regularly?

Berlusconi wants ADP in Milan.
I don't know or really want to know if it's true or not.

Originally Posted by Reza

Berlusconi wants ADP in Milan.
I don't know or really want to know if it's true or not.

No wonder Milan have been so old for quite long time.