Summer mercato 2009

THe replacement for Pirlo is D'Go and not Xabi Alonso. Hahaha, just kidding, I know which Spaniard you are talking about.

Originally Posted by Rossoneri Fuego

Abbiati

Zambro---Nesta----T.Silva----Santos

R80----Gattuso-----Fabregas--Seedorf?



-------Pato--------- Eto'o-------------


Abbiati

Zambro---Nesta---Silva---Santos


Gattuso---------------Flamini------


----------Fabregas-----------------


R80---------------------Pato------


-----------Eto'o-------------------


COME ON PEOPLE STOP BEIN SO NEGATIVE!

Why do people insist on creating formations with players we have no chance of getting?

Originally Posted by mrki

Me and "others" were biotching about old players, and we had right to do so. To be, being bitchy is to stay quiet on these issues and act smart while actually not saying anything.

And again the same issue opens up: Milan should replace old players and keep Kaka' as the main player! Not sell Kaka' and keep Kaladze, MArek, Seedorf, Pirlo, Dinho, Pippo, Dida, Kalac, Favalli...

When you start new circle you get rid of the old ones and you keep your best players and build around them. We did the opposite by selling Kaka' and Yoan. Now people like real religious people are on their knees hoping for a miracle... which is pathetic. Which part in bold is too abstract for you?

And, to say Kaka' didnt help... look at the results from inter and Juve games without Kaka'.

Nobody said Kaka didn't help. But Milan finished third last season with Kaka. The previous season, Milan finished fifth with Kaka. So obviously the problem was bigger than whether or not Kaka was in the lineup. And Gourcuff was never, ever, one of Milan's best players. He was Bordeaux's best player, but he never played well for Milan, so how can his "loss" actually downgrade the Milan squad in any way?

If Silvio isn't going to be running the club as a plaything, but rather as a business, and money is tight, the best asset Milan had to raise the funds to replenish the squad was Kaka. All the old players you named ("Kaladze, MArek, Seedorf, Pirlo, Dinho, Pippo, Dida, Kalac, Favalli") that you think Milan should get rid of wouldn't, combined, bring in anywhere near the money that Kaka brought in. And it would have left the entire squad full of holes that would have had to be filled by a whole new bunch of players that Milan could afford to bring in all at once or by unproven young players from the reserves or called back from loans. This way, Milan can replace the older players (most of whom have given great service to and been very loyal to Milan) reasonably rather than having a fire sale and acting like Tottenham Hotspur or Portsmouth or somebody.

You can moan until you're blue in the face about Milan being in a tight financial position and about the reasons for it, but that won't solve anything. The past is the past. The situation is what it is. Bitching about the past isn't a plan for the future. You, among others, have complained about Carlo's lineup choices, etc., for a long time. Now Milan has a new coach who has a good eye for talent. Let him do his frickin' job this summer and then we'll see how the new Milan squad shapes up.

If you want to support a club that's only a plaything and just buys and sells players with no consideration to either cost or loyalty, they're always looking for fans at Chelsea, Manchester City and Real Madrid.

Originally Posted by Blacktop

Why do people insist on creating formations with players we have no chance of getting?

It's like playing fantasy football. That's supposed to be what the "fantasy signings" thread is for, but it seems there's rarely any activity there.

Originally Posted by Hasan Rossonero

I am sorry to say I agree with mrki (with some reservations).

To have an objective to finish amongst the top 3 is frankly disgusting. If Galliani had any decency (he doesn't) he would get the hell out of this club.

We love this club, but we must prepare ourselves for a decade of mediocrity. The collective TV rights comes into effect next year, which means Milan will not be able to compete with the big teams in Europe, including Bayern Munich.

Stadium ownership in Italy is not going to sort itself out anytime soon because there is this attitude of sweeping everything under the carpet in Italy.

The only saving grace would have been Berlusconi, who does not want to spend anymore. So anyone who thinks we will be the force we were in Europe is deluding themselves.

We have to love this club no matter what, but we have to realize that we are not a serious force now in Europe. We can win the Scudetto for sure, but that will be despite Galliani not because of him. Honestly, maybe it's the kind of person I am, but I never settle for anything less than the best in my work. So hearing this amongst the top 3 crap is nauseating.

I read that article in Gazzetta also (the money savings one), and quite why Milan cannot spend the money on a defender like Santacroce is beyond my comprehension. It really is.

I don't understand what the big fuss about what Mrki said is.. Galliani's latest statement about finishing in the top 3 (if that is indeed what he said) is certainly cringeworthy from a man who is becomingly increasingly despicable with each passing day.

How is Ferrara going out of his way and acknowledging Santacroce and Milan doesn't even seem interested. I can only hope I am a fool who completely fails to understand B and G.

Originally Posted by hitmannq8

However - I don't think there are any other better players out there available within reach.

Yet many big players are transferring here and there.. Either the club isn't a top destination any more or Galliani isn't doing his job very well. Big players are bring linked with moves everyday and though rumours, they seem like they're very much possible. Juve are making moves. Inter have the cash to do so anytime.

The transfer campaign doesn't look promising for this club and it's hard for the rational mind to understand why.

WTF????? We just renewed Favalli's contract!

Just want to welcome back Di Gennaro, am glad we held onto him.

As for Santacroce, we surely must attempt to go for him, it's such a shame we simply aren't acknowledging him, instead we're linked to Mertersacker today for 14m euros (wtf!? how can someone so bad be so pricey).

About these arguments about Galliani's comments, let's bear in mind they are the minimum objectives this season. Essentially, it's the least we expect to get from the new season.

Oh, and Galliani says the Cissokho deal is unlikely.

btw, I know people are complaining about Favalli's renewal, but he's been ok and as last choice backup I have no complaints. Personally, I'd say keep him, sell Kala and get Santa.

Originally Posted by kastriot

A certain person one day said I want to be the captain of the Team, I want to be the symbol of the team, I am with this team for life, just leave me alone!!! Was it 7 days after, and everything went to hell!!!

What Players say, and what clubs and players managers want is smth else...you never know!!

LOL.. Fully agreed kastriot. Let's forget those sweet, a$s-licking words and be pragmatic from now on. The days of bandiera like Paolo are over. It's simply business now. To me, Cesc has been a dream signing for years. He might have said that he'd prefer us (and so did Dzeko), but in the end, money talks then player walks!

even galliani has negative expectations for next season all he wants to do is finish in the top 3. Now if the director doesn't expect to get any trophies that tell you volumes on what he expects the team to accomplish. Let be realistic we sold one of the most promising players in football than we sold our best milan with no one in the squad who can replace him this isn't the best recipe for future success. almost the entire first team is over the age of 30 if milan don't win any trophies we can expect pato and flamini to move to a new club all of our competitors have made some fantastic signings how can you be optimistic. the current squad isn't good enough we are going to win any trophies we will make another loss next year and if ronaldinho and pato get a long term injury than we will be lucky to finish in a Europa league spot.

* Milan

During the workshops at Villasimius involving Milan's management and their sponsors, vice-president Adriano Galliani declared what the team's objectives for next season should be, keeping a decidedly low profile.

"We want to finish in the top three and go as far as possible in the Champions League," he said to ilcittadinomb.it. "Milan can and absolutely must reach these objectives with these players and this coach."

On the transfer campaign, Galliani said: "We are not in a hurry, it's not obligatory that our reinforcements arrive before 6 July [when Milan begin their summer training camp].

"It is my twenty-fourth transfer campaign, in previous years Fininvest always invested a lot of money, but considering the current reality we are taking things easier. Let's hope that next year things will be able to do things the way we always did.

Originally Posted by ACMILAN1983

Just want to welcome back Di Gennaro, am glad we held onto him.

As for Santacroce, we surely must attempt to go for him, it's such a shame we simply aren't acknowledging him, instead we're linked to Mertersacker today for 14m euros (wtf!? how can someone so bad be so pricey).

About these arguments about Galliani's comments, let's bear in mind they are the minimum objectives this season. Essentially, it's the least we expect to get from the new season.

Oh, and Galliani says the Cissokho deal is unlikely.

btw, I know people are complaining about Favalli's renewal, but he's been ok and as last choice backup I have no complaints. Personally, I'd say keep him, sell Kala and get Santa.

He had a good season so I dont know why are objecting to him being a back-up. Trouble starts when he's made to assume the role he had this season.

Galliani can say what he wants. I want to see how the beam performs on the field and then I'll make my comments. To me, it makes no difference if Galliani says will go for the Scudetto or 3rd place.......after all this past season was supposed to be all about the scudetto and look where we ended up. What I'm trying to say is that it doesn't matter what Galliani says until we actually see the performances on the field (even though I can see how it is annoying when he says something like that).
----By the way, I haven't read anywhere that Galliani actually did say we'll go for the top 3.....I'm just replying to what I read here.

About the market.....I am fuming too, but then I look at the date and realize that the market hasn't even officially started. I guess people await it so much that they can't wait for signings and storm the comments before the market even begins.

I already mentioned this before so I don't want to sound like a broken record....but it seems like there are reports coming out every day about Santacroce, and WE ARE NOT INTERESTED!!! That is just simply stupid from Galliani and the management (including Leonardo because he should mention Santa as well just like Ferrara is). Santacroce has a load of potential and everyone knows that. He is a star in the making and if we don't mix ourselves into this one, then I'll really be fuming.

In other news, Fiorentina is about to sign Drenthe on a loan with the option to buy for 8mil I think. That is a great deal and another one that we should be mixed in. I don't care what people think of Drenthe.....he has attitude, he failed at Real, etc. Say what you want, but he is a player with great potential and that can be useful for any club. He is an explosive player......something that we don't have in our team. He doesn't have to be a starter (of course if he comes in and performs then why not), but he will be highly useful because of he explosiveness. He is willing to take on players and move the ball forward as well as whip in some crosses. He brings energy into the game........again something we don't have on our bench. So again, no matter what you think of this player he can be highly highly useful for us especially for the price that he is leaving for.

Also, on tuttomercatoweb.com we are linked with Mertesacker from Werder today. They site someone else claiming that the price Werder wants is 14mil Euro. Not a bad deal if you ask me, if he is brought in to be a back up. Maybe not one of the big profile signings that people cry for.....but not a bad player at all, of course if he is meant to be a back up. (if Werder asks for 14, he can surely be bought for somewhere around 9/10mil) There is nothing concrete though, and I would much rather spend the money on Santacroce or Bochetti.

Originally Posted by boring

He had a good season so I dont know why are objecting to him being a back-up. Trouble starts when he's made to assume the role he had this season.

To me he had an average season,a nd even worse he'll be 39 years old, dude! Didn't Galliani said that we'll build our team with young players with potential like Cissokho before the negotiation stalled? You're moving to the wrong direction if you still have a player of that calibre in your team.

dammit we really did rennewed favalli contract
i tought it was some joke

Originally Posted by Nalx

To me he had an average season,a nd even worse he'll be 39 years old, dude! Didn't Galliani said that we'll build our team with young players with potential like Cissokho before the negotiation stalled? You're moving to the wrong direction if you still have a player of that calibre in your team.

When he is used as a backup for the CB position, he is good (which is needed from a backup, having amazing backups who are WC is impossible).

Sometimes, I just ask myself if people think about what they say (it's not for you Nalx), especially when I read things like "sell Seedorf, Pirlo, Kaladze, retire Favalli, sell Jankulovski ..." in the same sentence.

Buying 5 players is already a lot, if we do sell the players some people want us to sell, we will have to buy a complete new team ... it's completely unrealistic (and it's even more unrealistic when we see what are the prices they think we can sell those players).

- Thiago Silva, Abate, Di Gennaro are our players.
- Dzeko, Adebayor (sic ... but anyway, he can only be better than Sheva so it's an improvement) or Huntelaar will surely arrive.
- I think we will have one of the players from Madrid before the end of the mercato ...
- we will probably also have a midfielder (maybe he will be a guy from Madrid)
- Cissokho seems unlikely to join us but if we tried to take a LB, it's because Leonardo surely stated that Zambrotta will play as the RB who will try to attack and wants a LB who can both attack and defend (what can't do Jankulovski).

Add Albertazzi to the team too (backup).

The team lost its best player, but the team was too predictable because we almost exclusively relied on our best player. Next year, we will have a more complete team with a new coach (so a new vision), we will be unpredictable again (because with the likes of Abate and Di Genarro for example, we have many possibilities to make our team when we add them to the players we already have), which could mean we will be better next year than this year or last year.

And to finish, Galliani saying our objectives are a place in the top 3 of Serie A and to go as far as we can in CL is normal ... he can't put too much pressure on Leonardo: the guy will coach for the first time of his life and they sold the best player. So, if Leonardo can bring a new vision of football in Milan (and can manage to have good results), the results could be better than what is officially expected.

If Galliani said "next year, I want both CL and Serie A" (which is quite unrealistic after two seasons like we just had), just imagine the pressure on Leo's shoulders !!

Originally Posted by mrki

this is a forum about AC Milan. Personal elements are not involved in my statemants about EVENTS IN MILAN. I, right now, dont have any kind words for what is heppening in the club. Same as I didnt have for the way Ancelotti behaved for example. That is the way I will express myself becouse that is the way I feel about those things in MILAN. Those who dont like it - they can migrate.

I am not on vacation. To be on vacation you have to actually work. My life is a long vacation since Im a student and for past 4 and a half years Im only studying for the exams. The fact that right now Im on the sea and not in my city and Im typing on the laptop and not on my home comp. doesnt mean I have to be happy about events in Milan ( which are sad ). We can talk about beauties of music, art, the sea, whatever. But we talk about Milan. And, I try to talk the TRUTH, not pretty fantasy. Which some cant stand. Example: I tell a poster Maldini refused to work with Galliani and he doesnt want to believe it... I look like a party breaker. In fact, its just him who cant stand the fact.

And Dzeko and Grafite: Grafite was A BETTER player then Dzeko for Wolfsburg. A club like Milan needs to go for Aguero after selling Kaka'. But people dont look at the football games, they read papers.

In any case, Dzeko has potential. But when you look at Sheva at the age of 23, KAka' at 23, and you look at Dzeko now, you'll see why Sheva won godlen ball and why Dzeko never will.

Mrki:

I understand our feelings.....I daresay that the people that are criticizing you simply don't take A.C. Milan as seriously as you do. That's why our descent doesn't bother them as much as it does you. I am amazed how much I agree with you one practically everything....it's like we spoke or something

Kaka:
To me Kaka is still THE best player in the world. But even if he isn't an say Messi, Ibra or CR7 are better....there are intangibles that are very hard to replace with his sale....Kaka was a gentleman, a family man, a humble man, a quiet person, while at the same time being one of the FASTEST, MOST SKILLFUL and BRILLIANT players EVER.....you know who is the only person I can think of that fits that description?? MALDINI but Maldini had to leave..........why sell the only other like him?? Yeah Yeah we're broke....sure...that's why Galliani came out to the press BOASTING about how much money Milan makes huh .....now even if I were to buy the "poor us we're sooooo broke argument" WHY sell GOURCUFF the only person who could do a half decent job of replacing Kaka?

really I have indeed said the above like a zillion times....but I feel the need to keep saying it because people don't seem to realize that with the Kaka-Gourcuff sale we seem to have lost all ambition

Now our ambition is to make the top 3 But AGAIN this means nothing to some users simply because Milan isn't that big of a deal to them...and truth be told that's TOTALLY fine But don't knock Mrki and insult him because it has him upset....Silly comments like if he ever had a girlfriend and other personal attacks are uncalled for.

Dzeko:
Dzeko is an unproven striker and from what I've seen NOTHING special but then again neither is Milan....Getting Dzeko to replace Kaka is like putting Booster Gold to replace Superman in the Justice League


Transfers:
Also the lack of any decent links to the top players.....which has turned every Milan fan into a football scout is heartbreaking ...you'd never hear about us seriously in the running for a Santacroce, Benzema, G.Rossi, D.DRossi, Aguero, Messi, CR7, Torres etc etc....it's always unknown, unproven, unskilled or unfit players...........

Adriano Galliani:
Galliani is a true Milan fan...I have no doubt about that and he is a VERY intelligent man. That is clear....but he's is forced to do all these shady and sleazy deals because he has NOTHING to work with....Now he's has pulled ANOTHER fast one under our eyes and many have bought it...bringing back our kids..other than Abate (who himself isn't that special but he does have a LOT of speed) none are really that great. None have been lighting it up except Pierre Aubemyang (which meant that we sent him away of course ). So now he has another excuse for failure: "We're a young team" ....But it's not Adriano's fault for our downfall......it's berlu's

Grazie for all you have done for us Sr but PLEASE SELL A.C. Milan