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(05-23-2014, 09:44 PM)ACMILAN1983 Wrote: [ -> ]I must say though, the thought that a top manager should be brought in to take charge, with Janusz Michallik talking about Ancelotti, Capello or Sacchi coming in is just unrealistic and I think he's totally off the mark on this.
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Why would any coach with any sort of standing in football and some sense even consider Milan?

I really don't think this is too far off the mark. Ultimately that is why club coaches go to the international side. Winning the world cup is sort of the ultimate prize for coach and player and builds your legacy.

We all know how much of a crap shoot the world cup is though and a club side being brought back up may not be as great, but still is a big deal when you talk about a sleeping giant like Milan. We have a ton of problems and it is not good that the major problems are in positions of power (Gali and Berlu). However, I think a powerful coach can not just win the locker room but also the board room (kind of like how the expect Van Gaal to do in Manure). I think hiring a strong coach is one of the few things we can do to really take some power back from Galliani. Also, it helps that Milan still has a large fan base, some excellent young players and a great opportunity to expand revenue (casa Milan and maybe a stadium one day).

If I were an older great coach and I wanted to take on a job that had great risk but great reward Milan seems to be a good fit (especially if I couldn't coach a great national team). I do agree that bringing back a great Milan Manager is unlikely, but I bet there will be older coaches out there hungry for one last challenge.

(05-24-2014, 06:19 PM)honsano Wrote: [ -> ]I really don't think this is too far off the mark. Ultimately that is why club coaches go to the international side. Winning the world cup is sort of the ultimate prize for coach and player and builds your legacy.

We all know how much of a crap shoot the world cup is though and a club side being brought back up may not be as great, but still is a big deal when you talk about a sleeping giant like Milan. We have a ton of problems and it is not good that the major problems are in positions of power (Gali and Berlu). However, I think a powerful coach can not just win the locker room but also the board room (kind of like how the expect Van Gaal to do in Manure). I think hiring a strong coach is one of the few things we can do to really take some power back from Galliani. Also, it helps that Milan still has a large fan base, some excellent young players and a great opportunity to expand revenue (casa Milan and maybe a stadium one day).

If I were an older great coach and I wanted to take on a job that had great risk but great reward Milan seems to be a good fit (especially if I couldn't coach a great national team). I do agree that bringing back a great Milan Manager is unlikely, but I bet there will be older coaches out there hungry for one last challenge.

I don't really agree with you on this. Firstly, managing a national side and a club side is a very different prospect. Managing a national team to try and win a world cup is less about a personal achievement in a career and more about pride in representing your country and leading them towards victory. I think the motivations are totally different.

The motivation of trying to get Milan back to the top is huge, but any coach looking at this objectively will probably question the role. Firstly, a guy like Van Gaal may get respect at Man Utd and even Moyes got a significant amount of money. At Milan, not only has every coach since Ancelotti left been undermined and insulted publicly, but we literally have nothing to spend, as evident of our transfer market for years now.

Regarding a strong coach, or rather a coach with a strong personality coming in, Seedorf's pretty much that. He's always been a very strong personality, for better or worse. When he came in he all but tried to undermine Galliani by trying not to deal with him, instead looking to work with Berlu. Galliani is not only essentially micromanaging him, but he's effectively pushed him out the club. If Barbara Berlusconi (another director and Silvio's daughter) couldn't take power from Galliani, I honestly don't see how a coach can.

As for the other aspects you mention. In all honesty a large fan base isn't a motivation for a coach, unless they're fans coming to the stadium (we barely fill half of San Siro every match). A large fan base is of interest to those running the business and want a bigger market share to sell products or services to (i.e. Barbara).

Likewise, expanding sources of revenue isn't going to be of immediate interest to a coach unless that money is reinvested in the squad. We're not investing what we have coming in anyway and by the time things like Casa Milan and a new stadium are actually in place and generating the revenue we hope for, the coach will probably be moving onto another job. At this point, these things are long term projects that probably won't have immediate impact a coach coming in would want.

Finally, yes we have some excellent young players, but at the same time we can't ignore we have massive problems in our squad. We have an excellent defender in De Sciglio, but every other part of defence is a mess (even moreso as Rami's looking less likely to stay). In midfield we have Cristante and Mastour, who are great, but unless the managment show patience, no coach will have time for such young and incomplete players. Likewise, you have uncertainty around El Shaarawy's fitness after this season and quite honestly no coach can be looking at Balotelli without getting a headache. The irony in all of this is that of the 5 names I've mentioned, 4 are being rumoured to be sold, with the 15 year old looking most likely to stay.

Truth is, if I'm an older coach (particularly a successful one) looking for a final challenge, I'd want something where I can build one last project with lower expectations and demands. For example, replacing Guidolin at Udinese or something, as this would be a project about building on my knowledge, experience and ideas, rather than having pressures to win competitions which the club can't really compete for.

I get you. I certainly don't doubt that managing milan to a successful series of campaigns will be easy. The issue is Milan isn't a small team and with proper direction from above can step forward as it has the infrastructure (fans, good young players, world wide reach etc) to do so. That is ultimately what makes us different from all the other sides. This allows us to still draw talent and gives us potential to make money. Whether we do or not is questionable. This is a possibility that smaller sides certainly don't possess.

As for Seedorf, yeah he has big personality but we have to be deluding ourselves to think he had any credibility. The guy had zero experience and only weeks before had been playing. Like Moyes, he walked into a trap and pretty much everyone had called it. We need someone with loads of experience who takes some power away from Galliani. Someone who comes in with an agenda and can force its implementation.

Come on dude, you think these players and managers are only hoping to win the world cup for national pride? These guys are athletes at the end of the day and want to be immortal. They love their countries for sure but they want to be the best at what they do too.

All the above is splitting hairs and truly a matter of personal opinion though. If I were a great soccer mind with trophies to my name, I would do it. I'd want high expectations, high demands and in the end prove to myself that I can deliver. I realize that this may not be everyone though and can also totally understand others thinking this were another trap. I guess it is if you see the glass half full or half empty.

You said it in your first paragraph, when you said "whether we do or not is questionable". We've done literally nothing to suggest we will do it for years now. In fact, we've done nothing to show we've got any sort of plan.

Seedorf's credibility as a coach is limited (if it exists at all), but that's the point, no coach with any significant credibility would be at the club in our situation, they can go for better things elsewhere. Seedorf at least has personality and character to tackle tough situations, but within a month or two he was being castigated by the guy who asked him out of retirement.

As for taking power from Galliani, whoever comes in works directly under Galliani in the first place. Galliani isn't going to let someone who can potentially undermine his role come in. You only need to look at how Maldini's not being allowed back into the company to see what happens to anyone who in any shape is considered a threat to Galliani. This is also much deeper than that, as I think the podcast in discussion also says that Galliani basically forced Leonardo into a coaching role because he saw him as a threat at director level (these guys are supposedly great friends).

Getting back to Seedorf. The guy came in with incredible support and enthusiasm surrounding his return. Next thing you know he mentions changes and as soon as a result goes against him, his position is under major threat. Berlusconi isn't involved in the club, but apparently had dinner with a few players who dislike Seedorf to hear their points of view, whilst suddenly blanking the coach. During this time, Galliani announces our goal is Europa League (a very unlikely possibility) and as soon as results pick up, starts pulling faces as though someone's just passed away. I'm convinced the spin on Seedorf was Galliani's doing. We know the guy has the media eating out of his hand (just look at the saga when Barbara challenged him), while who else would instigate players dining with Silvio (who I'm sure players don't have access to) and to destroy the relationship between the owner and coach? The lack of joy he showed when winning only further suggests he wants Seedorf to fail.

The problem is, Galliani's prepared to throw anyone under the bus if it's in his personal interest and that means any coach who is any threat to him probably won't be able to join.

Winning the world cup isn't about reaching a competitive pinnacle anymore, since club football became much more international and all the best players played for CL. Club football, in terms of quality and competitiveness has surpassed the International game. The world cup is huge though, but winning it is now about national pride and earning a place in history in the biggest sporting event in the world. Again, The motivations for playing at club or national levels are very different due to the changes in what it means to play at club level over the years.

I agree though, our opinions are like to sides of the same coin. Ultimately, I'm just curious to see what happens in the next 3 months and I'm afraid too. Unfortunately, I see the glass as half empty atm.

Don't know if many of you have followed the news today, but basically it looks like there's a meeting going on with the management right now to work out the future of Seedorf and our coach.

Looks like Pippo's most likely to be promoted, as Seedorf isn't favoured while Berlusconi isn't convinced of Emery. If Pippo comes in, Tassotti could be asked to stay as his number 2 with Galli.

An article from Goal.com regarding Inzaghi as our possible new coach.

http://www.goal.com/en/news/596/exclusiv...ID=HP_BN_3

Emery doesn't excite me.
Seedorf should remain, having said that letting him go and replacing him with another with little experience doesn't make much sense. I am not saying Pippo = Seedorf and I love Pippo too but to go through all this controversy to replace Seedorf with Pippo doesn't feel right in itself.

Gazzetta and others saying Pippo will be next coach. Apparently Gazzetta is says it's done following meeting Monday night and Berlusconi will try to minimize Seedorf termination cost.

(05-26-2014, 11:46 PM)reza Wrote: [ -> ]Gazzetta and others saying Pippo will be next coach. Apparently Gazzetta is says it's done following meeting Monday night and Berlusconi will try to minimize Seedorf termination cost.

How? I hope that Seedorf's attorney will squeeze every penny that he deserves.

Dalajay, Seedorf's company whose headquarter in Milano lost 10M in 4 year. Most of his other business are also unsuccessful.

So, good luck Seedorf.