Summer Mercato 2010

[Filipéz 182]

Milan-Ibrahimovic Latest: Barcelona Striker Ibra Asks For 24 Hours To Make Up His Mind; Galliani Confirms Permanent Deal Is Only Option; Robinho Backup Option After Agreeing To Join Milan
- Two hour meeting clears haze.
- Only permanent deal is available.
- Ibra prepared to accept wage cut. Raiola confirms this.
- Galliani remains confident of closing deal.
- Robinho has agreed to join Milan, and is a backup option if Ibrahimovic falls through.

[Vulli]

The details of a potencial deal Milan-Barca

40 millions for Barcelona that should be paid in installments for three years (15, 15 and 10 million)
while with Raiola and Ibrahimovic the agreement is reached, salary of Ibra should be 8 million per season in four years contract until 2014

[HO-YOUNG]

Ibra is big game no show!!!! if we are going to spend that money on one player who can only help us beat the small teams of Serie A then we shoud go all out and buy the other accessories that are needed, eg. Van Der Vaart, Jucilie, Ganso, Srna... Media hype is not needed... we need a balanced team... wher the **** are we going with Seedorf and the others... bar Pato and a few, this team is full of toothless old dogs... who are one match away from the intensive care unit... :(

[Nalx]

Wow, this forum sure is lively today.

The season ain't even started yet and we're already calling each other idiot. We're about to sign a player who won more scudetto than any of our players and he's been labelled scrap.

So what if he played for Juve and Inter? The last time I read our player publicly said how much they loved Milan, or kissing Milan emblem from the window, they left. Enough with romanticism and get real: God doesn't make players like Paolo anymore!

I can almost see Silvio laughing now, saying "And you call ME stupid?"

[Filipéz 182]

I hope this talk about selling flamini to finance Ibra is not true! Then I am 100% against this deal, lets hope that news is crap!

[Warro Bantan]

I'm not so exited like you guys about this "we will have our star" player this mercato...

Sure, I'm not a fan of Ibra, but I can't deny he fits Serie A style very well. But my problem is that imo, isn't on attack we are losing games. Sure we need a better players alongside Pato, but if it was up to me, I would to spend this Ibra money in 2 promising midfielders.

Not pretending my opinion is right, but I'm more comfortable with a Pato/Borrielo pair in the offense, supported by a talented and capable of running(with the likes Chelseas, Barça's) midfield, than a Pato/Ibra(years away better attack) supported by our actual midfield.

Yesterday game let me even more worried about our mid. We couldn't create nothing against Barça reserves. Of course with a Pato/Ibra pair we would have created a little more, but imo the difference in quality and pace of our mid was enormous. We will not see the color of the ball against the bigs in Europe... and against SEVERAL Serie A teams.

For Berlusconi a Ibra purchase is a lot better, because like we are seeing here, to bring a star generate the type of fuss he needs. But like with Ronaldinho in the near past, it will not give the balance we(and any team) need to win Serie A. Not with our actual midfield. At least in my opinion...

Brasieiro, I couldn't agree with you more. One of the main reasons for Hunter's (relatively) poor performance, and us losing/drawing games we should have won, was our old, slow midfield, not supplying our forwards w/ enough chances.

The Ibra purchase in and of itself isn't a bad one, but only if we are looking to strengthen our midfield, which apparently we aren't.

Boateng is a good box-to-box player, but will he adapt to Serie A?

Robinho for me might be a better buy, with Boriello off the bench for Pato in games where we need some muscle.....let's see what happens though, as nothing is final.

[Siregar]

Who said Ibra is 28 years old (which is true)sshould also statesthat he will be 29 in October.

Well, as I said before, I agree with the opinion from many members here that we should just buy other players that are more needed than Ibra but we don't have money for such player. We only have money for player Ibra's caliber (sorry I have to admit player like Robinho even Dzeko is still some levels below Ibra) 'thanks' to Berlusconi.

I would be very happy if Ibra comes (since the money is not from mine) but as Milan fans who considers Milan current financial situation I am not that happy, 40 mil or rough 20 mil with Flam+Hunter out for 29 years old player is not the best way to spend on the transfer market for Milan nowadays. This only proves that Milan is still managed like for the last years, spending without considering current need and situation. We don't have money to buy player(s) but in the same time we have money to buy player. How come? :finger:

[Rabia15]

Come on mates, we need better striker than Borriello, i kept always saying that Borriello is useless vs solid defenders and always failed. Huntelaar just a good poacher.

i agree with on the part, our midfield is slow and not enough. im always saying that we need 2 box to box midfielders, we also lack quality wing backs, vice Pato and Dinho.

Yet i want us to sign ibra cuz he is a great player, he is the king of Serie A, his movement, his class, his game surely will help us so much in attack.

Honda, Jucieli, Quality RB, Vice Pato, vice Dinho is also needed. but we know our mercato will end with ibra...

[Filipéz 182]

21:24 - Dal Lione potrebbe arrivare un'importante offerta economica per Mathieu Flamini. Si parla di una cifra che va dai 10 ai 15 milioni di euro, soldi che consentirebbero al Milan di poter incamerare denaro fresco per la trattativa Ibrahimovic.

This is Bad!!!! Flamini to Lyon for 15m to finance Ibra...?
Dear god, dont let this be true

[Reza]

Selling Flamini will dampen this so-called impressive mercato big time

[Filipéz 182]

We can only hope Allegri says a BIG NO to this deal. as he already said Flamini would be important!

[Paolo3]

Every big team has a great player on the bench, we had Crespo, Gila, Sheva, Inzaghi in recent years.

Can any Spanish speaker translate this? It seems Milan has a "new Messi". I dont know if we just signed him or we had him.

http://www.deportesaqui.com/causa-revuelo-en-italia-la-llegada-de-ontiveros/

I understand that we just signed a new Argentinean that's not 16 yet and he is labeled as a new Messi.

It says he is on trial at Milan, he's labeled as the new Messi, and so far he has played in Mexico for Merida FC, and has had trials with Real Madrid and Tottenham.

[GeoTav]

I'm not so exited like you guys about this "we will have our star" player this mercato...

Sure, I'm not a fan of Ibra, but I can't deny he fits Serie A style very well. But my problem is that imo, isn't on attack we are losing games. Sure we need a better players alongside Pato, but if it was up to me, I would to spend this Ibra money in 2 promising midfielders.

Not pretending my opinion is right, but I'm more comfortable with a Pato/Borrielo pair in the offense, supported by a talented and capable of running(with the likes Chelseas, Barça's) midfield, than a Pato/Ibra(years away better attack) supported by our actual midfield.

Yesterday game let me even more worried about our mid. We couldn't create nothing against Barça reserves. Of course with a Pato/Ibra pair we would have created a little more, but imo the difference in quality and pace of our mid was enormous. We will not see the color of the ball against the bigs in Europe... and against SEVERAL Serie A teams.

For Berlusconi a Ibra purchase is a lot better, because like we are seeing here, to bring a star generate the type of fuss he needs. But like with Ronaldinho in the near past, it will not give the balance we(and any team) need to win Serie A. Not with our actual midfield. At least in my opinion...

For once, I have to strongly disagree with you Brasiliero ...

Firstly, don't take our last friendly game into consideration, by watching it, it was obvious it wasn't a totally serious game. No player actually did the efforts to win that game (except Inzaghi), especially because both teams have a far more important game to play this W-E ...

Then, about our midfield and attack, Ibra is the kind of player who can handle our attack alone, the kind of player who will constantly have 2 defenders marking him in Serie A, which means he will open a lot of spaces for the other players. Ibra in our attack means a better attack but also a more comfortable midfield, having more time and space to control and create. The fact that Ronaldinho seems to have found some decent level (for him) again means he could be a big threat too. If Pato keeps being fit, with these 3 players, we're sure to beat any team in Serie A, even the biggest ones.

I don't know if others remember and if you remember, but when Ibra was in Inter, this team had no creative midfielder, and they still looked good, surely thanks to Ibra.

It will be the same with our midfield IMO. Having Pato and Ibra upfront, helped by Ronaldinho, means that guys like Flamini, Pirlo and I don't know who else will have more time and space to play - that means they will be able to shine.

Of course, another midfielder wouldn't be refused, but right now, between Ibra and Vdv for example, I take Ibra, then VdV. I wouldn't say the same thing if the so called big name was Luis Fabiano (who is a good player too) or I don't know who.

About balance, IMO, having Ibra will allow us to balance more the team than last year because this guy is more physical (no doubt) and technical (except comparing to Pato and Ronaldinho) than any of our players. He is a constant threat for the opponents (I'm writing about Serie A, then, about CL, it's different of course, teams don't play the same way), the midfielders don't need to run like dogs forward and in coming back then in defence (a thing our midfield never did anyway). The balance will be there, especially if Allegri can set a rotation system with the midfielders.

And don't forget something else: Ibra (actually, the same could be said about Robinho) will force the midfielders to play better, like most of the big names (having such a star motivates the others again), but not only: Borriello will have to fight again for his place, meaning he will try hard to score. If Borriello tends to manage to score, Pato will also have to compete for his place, as well as Ibra himself. As a consequence, the new player will force veeryone to give his best.

Here are some reasons why I'm for Ibra coming in Milan.

[MilanMB]

I see that there are some people in this forum as well who don't want Ibrahimovic to come to Milan. Crazy people everywhere I guess... I guess 3rd spots are enough for some fans...

Forza Milan!

[Rick]

21:24 - Dal Lione potrebbe arrivare un'importante offerta economica per Mathieu Flamini. Si parla di una cifra che va dai 10 ai 15 milioni di euro, soldi che consentirebbero al Milan di poter incamerare denaro fresco per la trattativa Ibrahimovic.

This is Bad!!!! Flamini to Lyon for 15m to finance Ibra...?
Dear god, dont let this be true

Fifteen million euros for Flamini? That's a lot more than anyone was quoting earlier in the mercato. The English clubs were supposedly offering 6 or 7, weren't they? Flamini is a good player, but truthfully he hasn't done all that much at Milan. He hasn't been nearly as good as he was at Arsenal. Flamini -- especially at that price -- for a truly world class player such as Ibra? I'd do it in a heartbeat. Flamini wouldn't be that hard to replace. Ibras don't come along very often.

[Warro Bantan]

I am dead against selling Flamini for whatever reason. If a club came in with a mega £ offer, then maybe.....

But certainly, I see him as the future of our midfield, as Ambro and Rino have seen better days.

[Rick]

I don't see him ever being the player Ambro or Rino were in their prime. Obviously I'd like to keep him, but if it means the difference between bringing in a world class player who has proven himself to be brilliant in Serie A and nobody or another lackluster signing, I'll help pack his bags. Players such as Flamini are a dime a dozen (relatively speaking, of course :D). Players such as Zlatan are rare.

And, by the way, I would consider 15 million euros very much a mega-offer for Flamini.

[GeoTav]

Fifteen million euros for Flamini? That's a lot more than anyone was quoting earlier in the mercato. The English clubs were supposedly offering 6 or 7, weren't they? Flamini is a good player, but truthfully he hasn't done all that much at Milan. He hasn't been nearly as good as he was at Arsenal. Flamini -- especially at that price -- for a truly world class player such as Ibra? I'd do it in a heartbeat. Flamini wouldn't be that hard to replace. Ibras don't come along very often.

It could be his year ... with a coach having faith in him, wanting to give him the keys of the midfield, I don't think it's the right time to sell him.

It's a huge mistake when we know we could have sold Gattuso earlier this summer (of course, not for the same kind of amount).

Economically, it's a good move: a free player sold 15M, but tell me who we could buy who could be as good as him without spending too much money ? I don't see any player right now.

[Maltese Charlie]

Fifteen million euros for Flamini? That's a lot more than anyone was quoting earlier in the mercato. The English clubs were supposedly offering 6 or 7, weren't they? Flamini is a good player, but truthfully he hasn't done all that much at Milan. He hasn't been nearly as good as he was at Arsenal. Flamini -- especially at that price -- for a truly world class player such as Ibra? I'd do it in a heartbeat. Flamini wouldn't be that hard to replace. Ibras don't come along very often.

Agree, but I add another reason. His wage. He earns 5.5 million yearly.

I believe he can be replaced with someone of his calibre and paid less.

[Nalx]

It says he is on trial at Milan, he's labeled as the new Messi, and so far he has played in Mexico for Merida FC, and has had trials with Real Madrid and Tottenham.

Well, the thing is for every Messi there are one thousand Coloccinis. Looks like he also failed the trials with those clubs.


That said let's give him a chance. After all, Franco too was rejected by Merda youth. Aren't they lovely cousins or what? Haha

[Maltese Charlie]

With the sale of Huntellaar and Flamini Ibrahimovic expenses are nearly covered if tgcom's story is right, including the salary.
So Milan still have funds to buy another midfielder requested by the coach.

[Elmago99]

Edin Dzeko: I Want To Play For Juventus!

True Milanista...

LIAR.. he never said that... stop making things up ..

He has always wanted Milan..but is desperate to get out of Germany and come to Italy or Spain...

[ZvonimirBoban]

Agree, but I add another reason. His wage. He earns 5.5 million yearly.

I believe he can be replaced with someone of his calibre and paid less.

Name me one, the one whom we could get in two or three days. If Flamini leaves, surely there'll be no one to replace him. Maybe B&G will say that Boateng is Flamini replacement (we have to sell one player to buy his replacement).

[Nalx]

Name me one, the one whom we could get in two or three days. If Flamini leaves, surely there'll be no one to replace him. Maybe B&G will say that Boateng is Flamini replacement (we have to sell one player to buy his replacement).

I'll give two: Mahamadou Diarra and Fernando Gago. None of them seems to be in Mourinho's plan.


Having said that though, I still rate Flamini higher than them. With such best mercato, as Brasileiro put it, in Rafa going to Inter and Adriano to Roma, and lastly Diego out of Juve; we won't get better chance to win the scudetto than this year. And to do so we must keep our best players.

[vivardo]

Again I will say that the problem is 4-3-3 which is unbalanced and our best solution next season is to sell Dinho and create compact midfield with Ibra-Pato attack ( in my oppinion absolutely perfect mix ).

Couldn't agree more. I don't want to see Pato playing as Right wing forward yet another year. If Ibra comes, will he play RWF with Pato as the central striker? No. If we need to persist with 4-3-3, a proper RWF is needed like Messi/Pedro. Even a good attacking right winger would do.

I personally like 4-3-1-2. If Ibra comes, I wish to see a proper CAM.

[Elmago99]

First of all, Ibra AND Robinho arriving this Mercato is NOT an option.

For that to happen, Flamini, Huntelaar & Ronaldinho would ALL have to be sold. Robinho and Ronaldinho play in the same position. They play out wide left, and neither goes back to defend. Both players are only good in a 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 type system.

It appears that Ronaldinho will NOT be sold. If Ibra comes, he wants to play with Ronaldinho.

I would say one of two options can and should occur. If we sell Flamini AND Huntelaar, we need to buy Van der Vaart or Lassana Diarra.

4-2-3-1
------------------Amelia-------------------
--Sokratis--T.Silva--Nesta--Antonini-----
-------------Boateng--Pirlo---------------
Pato-------Van der Vaart (Honda)--Ronaldinho
----------------Ibrahimovic-----------------------

OR

4-3-3
-----------------Amelia--------------------
-Sokratis--T. Silva--Nesta--Antonini-----
------Boateng---Lassana---Pirlo---------
---Pato----------------------Ronaldinho or Robinho
----------------Ibrahimovic---------------------------


** IF Ibra does not come this will be formation
----------------Amelia--------------------
-Sokratis--T. Silva-Nesta--Antonini-----
-----Boateng--Pirlo--Flamini-------------
---------------Ronaldinho----------------
-----------Pato-----Robinho--------------

*this case would have NO penalty striker, and Huntelaar would be gone..


I am still not happy with Berlusconi and Galliani as while it would be great to get Ibrahimovic, they're still paying 30-40 Million Euros for him. If so, why have they been talking as if they're poor for the past 5 years...How did they not make money after bringing in Beckham...Dinho..how did they not make money from Sheva sale or from Kaka sale?????????

Lastly, with Antonini and Sokratis as my wing backs,, and a shaky midfield, I'm still not 100% convinced we'll have any trophy's even still...

Like one poster said.. If we're such a "BIG CLUB", then we should have stars at every position... Van der Wiel, van der Vaart or Honda, Coentrao, Rannochia and Bonucci as back ups, maybe Lassana, etc....

[slifersd]

As much as I like Flamini, I do question his role on this team this season. Sure, Allegri said that he likes Flamini a lot, but are we really supposed to assume that he is going to be a starter? We play a three men midfield. Pirlo is a surefire starter; Boateng also seems like a starter based on the fact that he is our only CM that has any attacking capabilities; that leaves one spot open between Ambrosini and Flamini. Somehow, I really doubt that Allegri would be allowed to bench the captain of this team for Flamini. I am not saying it wouldn't be a good move, just not that likely. So to me, selling Flamini for 15 million to finance Ibrahimovic is a good move. If we could somehow get another midfielder before the end of the mercato, that would obviously be even better.

[Elmago99]

Couldn't agree more. I don't want to see Pato playing as Right wing forward yet another year. If Ibra comes, will he play RWF with Pato as the central striker? No. If we need to persist with 4-3-3, a proper RWF is needed like Messi/Pedro. Even a good attacking right winger would do.

I personally like 4-3-1-2. If Ibra comes, I wish to see a proper CAM.

Ronaldinho is not a PROPER CAM.. hes a left winger barca style..such as Robinho...

Honda, Van der Vaart, Gourcuff, Xavi, Diego, Totti, Snejder, Scholes, Lampard, are proper CAM.....

[GeoTav]

First of all, Ibra AND Robinho arriving this Mercato is NOT an option.

For that to happen, Flamini, Huntelaar & Ronaldinho would ALL have to be sold. Robinho and Ronaldinho play in the same position. They play out wide left, and neither goes back to defend. Both players are only good in a 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 type system.

No ...
It's not because a coach in Real Madrid decided to use Robinho as a left "winger", and then all other coaches in Europe decided to use him there, that the guy is a left "winger".

Pato played on the right wing last season: is he a right winger ? Not at all. If Allegri decides to use him there again, and if then, he plays there for 3-4 years, will he be a right winger ? No IMO.

Robinho is a second striker, he moves a lot. He likes coming from the left, but if he's free to play like he wants, he'll also come from the right ...

So Robinho and Ronaldinho don't cancel each other (and don't forget that Ronaldinho will have to try to be more central this year under Allegri).

[devoted_dm]

Yesterday game let me even more worried about our mid. We couldn't create nothing against Barça reserves. Of course with a Pato/Ibra pair we would have created a little more, but imo the difference in quality and pace of our mid was enormous. We will not see the color of the ball against the bigs in Europe... and against SEVERAL Serie A teams.


Dude, this team isn't as bad as you think. First of all, I thought our midfield looked better than in a long time last night. Pirlo had an off night, but Boateng impressed me, and Ambro is Ambro - always solid.

What is really important to keep in mind though, is that we were within a point of Inter fairly late in the season last year. Had it not been for our injury crisis, we probably would have kept up the pace with them until the end of the season. And that brings me to something that makes me very optimistic about the coming season: We have more squad depth now than we did last year. In spite of all the complaints made towards Galliani for his lack of effort on the market this summer, I can see a strong Milan being built.

We have a better coach than we did last season, and we have Boateng, who is exactly the type of player that we need, a talented young defender in Papa and hopefully a world class striker in Ibra. Dida has been replaced by Amelia and Yepes has come in for Favalli. How is this Milan not stronger than the one we watched last season?

Finally, the main reason I'll be delighted if Ibra joins is that he's practically guaranteed to score a lot of goals. I had a look at his stats today, and he's scored 150 goals in about 300 official club matches. And not just that - his strength and technique make him exactly the kind of player we need up front from a tactical point of view too. He'll be able to create space for Pato, who can then use his speed, and will link up beautifully with Dinho. And that also means that Pirlo's passes won't go to waste like they have for the last three years (yes, it turns out that statistically, Pirlo is still the best playmaker in the Serie A).

I really don't understand this pessimism, especially not at a moment like this.

[vivardo]

@ Elmago, I actually meant to say that only. We need a decent attacking Right Winger for 4-3-3 or a proper CAM for 4-3-1-2.

[Rossoneri Fuego]

HERE WE ARE GUYS !!! LIFE IS GOOD ? , ok what i dont understand is it says that we already agreed when galliani met with robinho SO ........ does that mean robinho will be ready saturday or when will he be presented ? , now im trying to picture a formation with all our weapons ibra is taking a pay cut , seems pretty determined to leave barca( i love that man no homo ) , now what i see is a slanted 442, 433 , 4231 , depends who you are , R80 looks so much more fit ( gamper trophy game ) i hope klass is gone sorry man , and flamini wont be needed because we will need 2 midfielders depends on the formation , pirlo kpb , pirlo seedorf ? , or the young kids will step up this is my formation of a slanted 442 .... also can somebody fill me in about bocchetti ? what the fcku happned with that deal ? ,


--------------------- Amelia ----------------------------

------------------------- Nesta ------------------------

------------- T. Silva -----------------------------

Papa ------------------------------ Abate / Zambro


Pirlo --------------------------------------

----------- KPB ---------------------------------------------------------


Robinho -------------------------



--------- Ronaldinho --------------



------------------------------------------ Pato ---------------------


------------------------- Ibra --------------------------------------------


lol we look like a english or spanish team now we will run at you like a trojan warrior in gladiator or 300 or alexander hehe life is good bless us with Ibra and Robinho , and hope we click as a team soon ! again :w221::3band:

[Elmago99]

No ...
It's not because a coach in Real Madrid decided to use Robinho as a left "winger", and then all other coaches in Europe decided to use him there, that the guy is a left "winger".

Pato played on the right wing last season: is he a right winger ? Not at all. If Allegri decides to use him there again, and if then, he plays there for 3-4 years, will he be a right winger ? No IMO.

Robinho is a second striker, he moves a lot. He likes coming from the left, but if he's free to play like he wants, he'll also come from the right ...

So Robinho and Ronaldinho don't cancel each other (and don't forget that Ronaldinho will have to try to be more central this year under Allegri).

I thought we established Ronaldinho does not like nor has he been successful as a number 10 CENTER ATTACKING MID....

I'd love to see him be able to play there, but history does not support that..

Secondly, if ROBINHO plays a 2nd striker, then who's the first striker, PATO?

They both play the same way..they do not compliment each other.. am i wrong?

[Kaka1899]

Dude, this team isn't as bad as you think. First of all, I thought our midfield looked better than in a long time last night. Pirlo had an off night, but Boateng impressed me, and Ambro is Ambro - always solid.

What is really important to keep in mind though, is that we were within a point of Inter fairly late in the season last year. Had it not been for our injury crisis, we probably would have kept up the pace with them until the end of the season. And that brings me to something that makes me very optimistic about the coming season: We have more squad depth now than we did last year. In spite of all the complaints made towards Galliani for his lack of effort on the market this summer, I can see a strong Milan being built.

We have a better coach than we did last season, and we have Boateng, who is exactly the type of player that we need, a talented young defender in Papa and hopefully a world class striker in Ibra. Dida has been replaced by Amelia and Yepes has come in for Favalli. How is this Milan not stronger than the one we watched last season?

Finally, the main reason I'll be delighted if Ibra joins is that he's practically guaranteed to score a lot of goals. I had a look at his stats today, and he's scored 150 goals in about 300 official club matches. And not just that - his strength and technique make him exactly the kind of player we need up front from a tactical point of view too. He'll be able to create space for Pato, who can then use his speed, and will link up beautifully with Dinho. And that also means that Pirlo's passes won't go to waste like they have for the last three years (yes, it turns out that statistically, Pirlo is still the best playmaker in the Serie A).

I really don't understand this pessimism, especially not at a moment like this.

i agree with everything thats been said here.

[Kaka1899]

HERE WE ARE GUYS !!! LIFE IS GOOD ? , ok what i dont understand is it says that we already agreed when galliani met with robinho SO ........ does that mean robinho will be ready saturday or when will he be presented ? , now im trying to picture a formation with all our weapons ibra is taking a pay cut , seems pretty determined to leave barca( i love that man no homo ) , now what i see is a slanted 442, 433 , 4231 , depends who you are , R80 looks so much more fit ( gamper trophy game ) i hope klass is gone sorry man , and flamini wont be needed because we will need 2 midfielders depends on the formation , pirlo kpb , pirlo seedorf ? , or the young kids will step up this is my formation of a slanted 442 .... also can somebody fill me in about bocchetti ? what the fcku happned with that deal ? ,lol we look like a english or spanish team now we will run at you like a trojan warrior in gladiator or 300 or alexander hehe life is good bless us with Ibra and Robinho , and hope we click as a team soon ! again :w221::3band:

unless i missed some news today we will only be getting Robinho if the Ibra deal falls through and cannot be fixed, only then we will sign Robinho, its Ibra or Robinho not both together is what i have taken it as.

[Elmago99]

IBRA OR ROBINHO....not both

if it's IBRA.. then bye bye Huntelaar
if it's Robinho.. then it's probably just Bye Bye Huntelaar

END OF STORY

[GeoTav]

I thought we established Ronaldinho does not like nor has he been successful as a number 10 CENTER ATTACKING MID....

I'd love to see him be able to play there, but history does not support that..

Secondly, if ROBINHO plays a 2nd striker, then who's the first striker, PATO?

They both play the same way..they do not compliment each other.. am i wrong?

Well, guys with this talent and the way they play (a little bit different, Pato can be the first striker I think) can adapt to each other, I see no problem with that actually ...

About Ronaldinho, how many times was he used as a CAM ? It was last year, during the start of the season, when he was in a bad physical condition and the whole team struggled ... I think, after his performances in the friendly games, that he deserves another chance there.

[Elmago99]

Well, guys with this talent and the way they play (a little bit different, Pato can be the first striker I think) can adapt to each other, I see no problem with that actually ...

About Ronaldinho, how many times was he used as a CAM ? It was last year, during the start of the season, when he was in a bad physical condition and the whole team struggled ... I think, after his performances in the friendly games, that he deserves another chance there.

I'm willing to try it.. if it doesn't work you use a 4-3-3..I guess simple as that

[Elmago99]

---------------------Marco Amelia------------------------
Van der Wiel--Tiago Silva--Nesta--Fabio Coentrao-----
-----------------Pirlo--------Kevin-Prince Boateng-------
Robinho------------------------------------Ronaldinho---
------------------Pato-------------------------------------
----------------------Ibrahimovic-------------------------


Dream on people..................

[Warro Bantan]

It would be a miracle for both Robinho and Ibra to arrive....so I for one won't even think of that as realistic....

[slifersd]

Its a miracle that either Robinho or Ibrahimovic is arriving, so let's not get too greedy here.

[M.O.I.]

i was out so i lost contact for many hours..

my 2 cents,first of all 40mil out of nowhere means that our MGMT is totally craping 2 years now..actually its a proof..

flamini out is a huge mistake right now,as we really lack of any runners in the medfield,i dont believe they're giving him..

but then again ibra seems like a cristmas gift that can change things around..

[Ceceves]

Secondly, if ROBINHO plays a 2nd striker, then who's the first striker, PATO?

They both play the same way..they do not compliment each other.. am i wrong?

I for one would like to see Pato given the chance as a centre forward. He isn't a wing forward and, although he did well last season, he made like 0 assists. He could become a great goalscorer if he's allowed to play upfront. For that reason I'd prefer Robinho to Ibra, I think "Dinho and Binho" playing behind Pato is a tad more balanced than a forward line of Pato-Ibra-Dinho. Dinho and Ibra don't move a lot, whereas Robinho is very mobile.

Then we could still have Borriello as a physical back-up at centre forward.

Regardless it's clear that we still have a couple of big holes in our squad that probably won't be filled: fullback and midfield. Our centreback pairing of Nesta and Thiago is probably the best there is, but Antonini is barely good enough to be starting for us (in an ideal world) and Abate, Zambrotta, Ocdo, Bonera etc. are far from it.

And our midfield even with the addition of Boateng (fine world cup, but he hasn't done much to earn a move to Milan) and the promotion of Strasser (too early to tell) is too old and immobile - and now we're selling Flamini to fund the purchase of Ibra? Rather we should keep Flamini and add one more player who can run for 90 mins.

[Tony75]

---------------------Marco Amelia------------------------
Van der Wiel--Tiago Silva--Nesta--Fabio Coentrao-----
-----------------Pirlo--------Kevin-Prince Boateng-------
Robinho------------------------------------Ronaldinho---
------------------Pato-------------------------------------
----------------------Ibrahimovic-------------------------


Dream on people..................
That team is anightmare actually.

Would be overrun in mid by most teams.

Since when did Contreao become a better player than our Antonini??

Also Nesta & Silva play on other sides in defence.

[sheva-gila]

I know that we are all against selling flamini but for now he is the only player that can be sold from MF others I dont think any club are after any player from our MF

[Rick]

After all the bitching and moaning that's been done the past few years about Milan turning into cheapskates and not bringing in the big players, now Milan is on the verge of acquiring one of Serie A's most brilliant players of recent years and suddenly everyone thinks they're Milan's accountant. :w200:

[MilanMB]

After all the bitching and moaning that's been done the past few years about Milan turning into cheapskates and not bringing in the big players, now Milan is on the verge of acquiring one of Serie A's most brilliant players of recent years and suddenly everyone thinks they're Milan's accountant. :w200:

haha +1

well said.

[Ryo]

After all the bitching and moaning that's been done the past few years about Milan turning into cheapskates and not bringing in the big players, now Milan is on the verge of acquiring one of Serie A's most brilliant players of recent years and suddenly everyone thinks they're Milan's accountant. :w200:

Totally agree.
But its less so about the money and more so about the players though.

I want Flamini to stay regardless of who we get in this mercato, its hard enough to hold the midfield already unless we're using KPB and Flams. We have no decent support for them besides Slowdorf and Ambro (Gattuso is past it, I'm sorry). If we lose Flams, then we need a decent replacement, I don't know where we'll get the money for it, since Flams is suppose to be for Covering the Ibra deal.


Given that we'll lose Hunter AND Flams for Ibra, somehow I would prefer we lose just Hunter for 'Binho. We might even have some left over in the tank for another Midfielder that way.

[curki]

Totally agree.
But its less so about the money and more so about the players though.

I want Flamini to stay regardless of who we get in this mercato, its hard enough to hold the midfield already unless we're using KPB and Flams. We have no decent support for them besides Slowdorf and Ambro (Gattuso is past it, I'm sorry). If we lose Flams, then we need a decent replacement, I don't know where we'll get the money for it, since Flams is suppose to be for Covering the Ibra deal.


Given that we'll lose Hunter AND Flams for Ibra, somehow I would prefer we lose just Hunter for 'Binho. We might even have some left over in the tank for another Midfielder that way.

As much as buying Ibra would make us serious again, selling Flamini would be step backwards...

I say sell Hunter for 15M, and buy Ibra for 40M (15M this year and other 25 trough next two years)....

[jvig12183]

dont get me wrong i would love to have ibra on milan. but to spend 40 million on him is insanity. especially when they can spend less on robinho or get dzeko who is much younger. i just cant see milan spending 40ml on him. either way robinho or ibra i will be happy with because it will make milan a lot better.

[Sputnik]

That team is anightmare actually.

Would be overrun in mid by most teams.

Since when did Contreao become a better player than our Antonini??

Also Nesta & Silva play on other sides in defence.

I agree that this team seems attractive but it would really be a defensive disaster. I mean who's gonna mark?

Still, i have to kindly disagree with you on Coentrao and Antonini.
I like Luca a lot but the portuguese guy i think is better.
But i repeat, i have no problem with Anotnini as our left back. He is not Roberto Carlos but he is not Francesco Coco either...

Anyway, this day reminds me of some good old forum days.
Like when you get back from work, grab a beer and get lost into Milanmania forum fever.

[hitmannq8]

somehow somewhere inside of me I want Ibra to reject the offer so we sign Robinho....but also common sense says Ibra is very important for Milan, but I've always had Robinho as one of my favourite players.. I think Robinho's backtracking can be as useful as Ibra's strength. Meh I dunno I would sign both and take a financial risk. Both can be important.

since everyone is in dreamland, let me try this:

-------------------------- ABBIATI --------------------------
SOKRATIS --- NESTA -------------SILVA ------ BONERA--
------------- FLAMINI ------------ BOATENG ---------------
---- ROBINHO ------------------------------RONALDINHO
--------------------PATO ------ IBRA ----------------------

[Elmago99]

I agree that this team seems attractive but it would really be a defensive disaster. I mean who's gonna mark?

Still, i have to kindly disagree with you on Coentrao and Antonini.
I like Luca a lot but the portuguese guy i think is better.
But i repeat, i have no problem with Anotnini as our left back. He is not Roberto Carlos but he is not Francesco Coco either...

Anyway, this day reminds me of some good old forum days.
Like when you get back from work, grab a beer and get lost into Milanmania forum fever.

Obviously it's not the most balanced team, and obviously Nesta plays on the right and Silva plays on the left, I know that. My point was....everyone keeps talking about how Ibra AND Robinho will be coming so I wrote a team of Super Stars,,,as a joke..i wouldn't necessarily want that team although I'd love van der Wiel...

I'll take Coentrao over antonini though, 100%...Antonini is a solid defender, but does not in my opinion offer too much in attack. I will, however, start him over Abate or Zambrotta this year in a heart beat. I'm curious to see if Bonera/Zambrotta/Abate/Sokratis will start on the Right.

So what's the verdict? Do we prefer:
-----Boateng--Pirlo--Flamini------------
--------------Ronaldinho-----------------
-----------Pato---------------
--------------Ibrahimovic----

OR
-----Boateng--Pirlo--Flamini------------
------------Ronaldinho----------------
--------------------Robinho--------
------------Pato-------------------

[Elmago99]

somehow somewhere inside of me I want Ibra to reject the offer so we sign Robinho....but also common sense says Ibra is very important for Milan, but I've always had Robinho as one of my favourite players.. I think Robinho's backtracking can be as useful as Ibra's strength. Meh I dunno I would sign both and take a financial risk. Both can be important.

If money just happened to appear for us to sign both...obviously we would

But who would play and in what formation??? That's the question

[Elmago99]

dont get me wrong i would love to have ibra on milan. but to spend 40 million on him is insanity. especially when they can spend less on robinho or get dzeko who is much younger. i just cant see milan spending 40ml on him. either way robinho or ibra i will be happy with because it will make milan a lot better.

Seems Milan Management doesn't like taking chances on anyone young. This has been their policy for quite some time now. They want proven "CHAMPIONS"

Dzeko on paper makes sense.. 35 million, 24, a Milanista, strong, technically good

Ibrahimovic is a proven world class star though, and Milan seems to want that, even if it is 40 m. What annoys me is that they cry poverty, then come up with all this money for Ibra. Deal is not done yet obviously, but I'm very confused. Robinho may well be the better buy, as well as Dzeko.

Anyone know the details on Robinho? (Wages, transfer fee?)

[Sputnik]

somehow somewhere inside of me I want Ibra to reject the offer so we sign Robinho....but also common sense says Ibra is very important for Milan, but I've always had Robinho as one of my favourite players.. I think Robinho's backtracking can be as useful as Ibra's strength. Meh I dunno I would sign both and take a financial risk. Both can be important.

Of course man. We have to buy them both. If we only had the money. I can't even start to imagine what an Ibra-Pato-Robinho-Dinho attack would be like.

Still, i will be very happy with one of them. Preferably Ibra. I think he still has 3 maybe 4 full years of top class football. He is a champion after all:D

Also 15 million for a player like Flamini is a very, very good deal for Milan.
As long as we replace him properly.

[Sputnik]

Obviously it's not the most balanced team, and obviously Nesta plays on the right and Silva plays on the left, I know that. My point was....everyone keeps talking about how Ibra AND Robinho will be coming so I wrote a team of Super Stars,,,as a joke..i wouldn't necessarily want that team although I'd love van der Wiel...

I'll take Coentrao over antonini though, 100%...Antonini is a solid defender, but does not in my opinion offer too much in attack. I will, however, start him over Abate or Zambrotta this year in a heart beat. I'm curious to see if Bonera/Zambrotta/Abate/Sokratis will start on the Right.

So what's the verdict? Do we prefer:
-----Boateng--Pirlo--Flamini------------
--------------Ronaldinho-----------------
-----------Pato---------------
--------------Ibrahimovic----

OR
-----Boateng--Pirlo--Flamini------------
------------Ronaldinho----------------
--------------------Robinho--------
------------Pato-------------------

OK, i never thought that you meant it like for real.
I almost addded Sergio Ramos on the right :tong:

As for what i prefer, i would go with Ibra.

[Aficio]

Oh god, you're so greedy.

Lets cross finger for Ibra first :D

[Brasileiro]

Dude, this team isn't as bad as you think. First of all, I thought our midfield looked better than in a long time last night. Pirlo had an off night, but Boateng impressed me, and Ambro is Ambro - always solid.

What is really important to keep in mind though, is that we were within a point of Inter fairly late in the season last year. Had it not been for our injury crisis, we probably would have kept up the pace with them until the end of the season. And that brings me to something that makes me very optimistic about the coming season: We have more squad depth now than we did last year. In spite of all the complaints made towards Galliani for his lack of effort on the market this summer, I can see a strong Milan being built.

We have a better coach than we did last season, and we have Boateng, who is exactly the type of player that we need, a talented young defender in Papa and hopefully a world class striker in Ibra. Dida has been replaced by Amelia and Yepes has come in for Favalli. How is this Milan not stronger than the one we watched last season?

Finally, the main reason I'll be delighted if Ibra joins is that he's practically guaranteed to score a lot of goals. I had a look at his stats today, and he's scored 150 goals in about 300 official club matches. And not just that - his strength and technique make him exactly the kind of player we need up front from a tactical point of view too. He'll be able to create space for Pato, who can then use his speed, and will link up beautifully with Dinho. And that also means that Pirlo's passes won't go to waste like they have for the last three years (yes, it turns out that statistically, Pirlo is still the best playmaker in the Serie A).

I really don't understand this pessimism, especially not at a moment like this.
Pessimism?!?!? I call it a different opinion... And if you think our mid looked better than in a long time last game(fair enough), I can say we will disagree in everything about midfield.

If you think our mid will be great, fine. But last year we lost several 3 points in Serie A because our mid run out of gas. Games we scored and were winning... Even in San Siro! In C.L we were out runner even more. And this season they are one year older. Plus, just because I don't share your opinion about Boateng, doesn't mean I'm a pessimist... But I sure hope Boateng proves me wrong. We will need him to perform...


Btw, why we have a better coach now? I hope the best for Allegri, but until now(like Leo last year), he did nothing in Milan(or other big team) to be label as a sure thing. The management of a small team is a different animal than what he will face now... So, lets wait for the finish of the season before saying he's better at Milan than Leonardo.
we were within a point of Inter fairly late in the season last year. Had it not been for our injury crisis, we probably would have kept up the pace with them until the end of the season. Even more, because Allegri will need to do better than what you wrote in the quote above, since he will have a much better and(apparently) health team.

[hitmannq8]

Brasiliero brings good points:

- Allegri has proven nothing yet, but to me, it definitely looks that Allegri is better than Leonardo from the way the team is playing...(maybe Brasiliero is biased cause Leonardo was Brazilian :D)

- KPBoateng isn't a great player, yes I agree with Brasilierio, but he is definitely going to be a useful SQUAD player. Last year as you said, we lost games because our midfield runs out of gas and have no valid substitutes...KPB has better stamina, speed, strength than most players, when he gets tired we can bring on Rino/Ambro.. (maybe Brasiliero is biased against KPB cause we were supposed to get Jucilei instead :D)

but Brasiliero, who do you think is better for Milan -- Ibra or Robinho? and try not to be biased!! :D


Other points, it seems that we have signed or we are close to signing FIVE other players in the last TWO days:

- 19yr old Uruguayan Coates
- 22yr old Uruguayan Mondelongo
- 18yr old Spanish leftback Adria Carmona from Barca
- 18yr old Italian defender Cammalieri from Reggina (he went to Chelsea 2 yrs ago)
- 15yr old Argentinean kid that is labeled the new Messi, we are waiting for an answer on Saturday.

[GeoTav]

Btw, why we have a better coach now? I hope the best for Allegri, but until now(like Leo last year), he did nothing in Milan(or other big team) to be label as a sure thing. The management of a small team is a different animal than what he will face now... So, lets wait for the finish of the season before saying he's better at Milan than Leonardo.
Even more, because Allegri will need to do better than what you wrote in the quote above, since he will have a much better and(apparently) health team.

It's something different, of course (even if it's in the same league), but it's better to have some experience instead of nothing at all ? I mean, Allegri comes here by already having an experience in Serie A, he did something great with a small team and "limited" players (Cagliari played well under Allegri, and they even were a "threat" for the big teams, as they were among the good mid-table teams). So he doesn't discover the job, he has nothing to learn, he just have to do his job.

Leonardo had an handicap when he accepted the offer of coaching the first team of Milan for his first experience as a coach: he had everything to learn, and at the same time, he had to be ready as it is Milan. IMO, it wasn't fair to send him there suddenly, they should at least have given him the Primavera team for example (and who knows what he would have done with the Primavera ? He would maybe have helped some of our youngsters to be ready earlier than expected for the first team ?), for one or two years, a bit like Barcelona did with Guardiola. It's maybe not a big experience, but that would have allowed him to start his job by being a real coach from day 1.

[Brasileiro]

Brasieiro, I couldn't agree with you more. One of the main reasons for Hunter's (relatively) poor performance, and us losing/drawing games we should have won, was our old, slow midfield, not supplying our forwards w/ enough chances.

The Ibra purchase in and of itself isn't a bad one, but only if we are looking to strengthen our midfield, which apparently we aren't.

Boateng is a good box-to-box player, but will he adapt to Serie A?

Robinho for me might be a better buy, with Boriello off the bench for Pato in games where we need some muscle.....let's see what happens though, as nothing is final.
Agree, Warro... we are in minority here and I really hope we miss on this point. But aside from Boateng(not a fan) athleticism, we are the same old/slow team(midfield). Not counting on Flamini...

Maybe I'm being biased as a former midfielder, but I can't see our mid working a entire season. We don't have the pieces for that... and will lose(or draw) several game we will be winning(with Ibra and Pato goals) like last season...

For once, I have to strongly disagree with you Brasiliero ...

Firstly, don't take our last friendly game into consideration, by watching it, it was obvious it wasn't a totally serious game. No player actually did the efforts to win that game (except Inzaghi), especially because both teams have a far more important game to play this W-E ...

Then, about our midfield and attack, Ibra is the kind of player who can handle our attack alone, the kind of player who will constantly have 2 defenders marking him in Serie A, which means he will open a lot of spaces for the other players. Ibra in our attack means a better attack but also a more comfortable midfield, having more time and space to control and create. The fact that Ronaldinho seems to have found some decent level (for him) again means he could be a big threat too. If Pato keeps being fit, with these 3 players, we're sure to beat any team in Serie A, even the biggest ones.

I don't know if others remember and if you remember, but when Ibra was in Inter, this team had no creative midfielder, and they still looked good, surely thanks to Ibra.

It will be the same with our midfield IMO. Having Pato and Ibra upfront, helped by Ronaldinho, means that guys like Flamini, Pirlo and I don't know who else will have more time and space to play - that means they will be able to shine.

Of course, another midfielder wouldn't be refused, but right now, between Ibra and Vdv for example, I take Ibra, then VdV. I wouldn't say the same thing if the so called big name was Luis Fabiano (who is a good player too) or I don't know who.

About balance, IMO, having Ibra will allow us to balance more the team than last year because this guy is more physical (no doubt) and technical (except comparing to Pato and Ronaldinho) than any of our players. He is a constant threat for the opponents (I'm writing about Serie A, then, about CL, it's different of course, teams don't play the same way), the midfielders don't need to run like dogs forward and in coming back then in defence (a thing our midfield never did anyway). The balance will be there, especially if Allegri can set a rotation system with the midfielders.

And don't forget something else: Ibra (actually, the same could be said about Robinho) will force the midfielders to play better, like most of the big names (having such a star motivates the others again), but not only: Borriello will have to fight again for his place, meaning he will try hard to score. If Borriello tends to manage to score, Pato will also have to compete for his place, as well as Ibra himself. As a consequence, the new player will force veeryone to give his best.

Here are some reasons why I'm for Ibra coming in Milan.
No problem, Geo. We always agree... it was getting boring:)

Btw, as always, great(and well based) post. Ibra physicality(and skills) will help a lot, no doubt. But like I said above to Warro, can't see our mid holding all season long. As you said, competition will bring the best, but some legs on this teams already saw a lot of grass... But I can t deny you made a very solid point above.

Just to finish(and not for you), to say that I want midfielders with the money maybe spent on Ibra, doesn't mean I will be sad if he come. But I never thought we still have this type of money, and if we can spend this amount once again, a world class(or 2 promise) midfielder would be my first choice.

[MilanMikey]

id prefer robinho then ibrahimovic.. no doubting ibra on top form is a game changing player.. however robinho has that in him too, younger and cheaper. VdV and robinho would be a much better mercato then ibra imo, ibra would be good too.

as ive realized wer slow in midfield boateng adds some speed but hes nothing special. VdV would add speed and skill in mid and boateng can just be good because he has energy to run around the midfield and recover balls put in a few good passes

[Gabriel489]

JUst wondering what is going on with Abate? I was hoping he will break out this season and becomes the next great RB for Italy.

[nefremo]

I want Ibra here. I am all for the transfer as I think he will enormously help us and finally give us what we have been lacking ever since Shevchenko left. (a striker up front that will simply win games for us) Pato can be that too, but he is too young to do it on his own just yet. And playing alongside one of the best strikers in the world can help him a big deal. Ibra is a force and has been a force for years now. Definitely the best Serie A player in his last two years with Inter and just a powerful tool to have at your disposal. So that's why I think that a player like Ibra will bring Pato's game up too and let him shine and grow.

Having said that, I also agree with Brasileiro on the midfield. I have been talking about the midfield for 2 years now. Went on about it last year as well. Our midfield is way to slow (and I don't mean running speed, but ball movement). We take forever to create chances sometimes and we simply struggle in there. Our players lose their legs when we are facing a more dynamic and physical team. And we have simply been lacking a dynamic box-to-box midfielder for a long time now. I don't know enough about Boateng to say that he will drastically improve the situation and take up that position. I didn't like what I saw from him against Barca, although I didn't like what I saw from most of the team (and pretty much the whole midfield). So I won't judge him yet, but I am not so sure that he is that dynamic box-to-box that we have been waiting for years now (ever since Seedorf decided he won't play serious football anymore). I am trully hoping that I am wrong however.

So that brings up another point, and that's Flamini. The rummors of him being included in the Ibra transfer don't make me happy at all. We really NEED this player. We can not base ourselves on Ambro and Rino anymore. These players are not up to it anymore. Ambro can be solid at times, but we can't bet the whole season on him. Flamini may not be a world beater and he may not have done all that much for us in his time here, but at this particular moment he is much more important to us then both Ambro and Rino.(performance wise) So giving Flamini away with no replacement shouldn't even be an option for us. Because then we'll be struggling even more at an already weak area. The only option that may work is selling him to Lyon (who apparently have offered 15mil Euro) and using part of the money and freed up wages(since he does get quite a bit of money....around 4mil right???) to get a replacement....while the other part can go towards Ibrahimovic. Which poses another question....how much will a replacement cost us? Diarra for examble, or Jucilei, or etc...

[Brasileiro]

Brasiliero brings good points:

- Allegri has proven nothing yet, but to me, it definitely looks that Allegri is better than Leonardo from the way the team is playing...(maybe Brasiliero is biased cause Leonardo was Brazilian :D)

- KPBoateng isn't a great player, yes I agree with Brasilierio, but he is definitely going to be a useful SQUAD player. Last year as you said, we lost games because our midfield runs out of gas and have no valid substitutes...KPB has better stamina, speed, strength than most players, when he gets tired we can bring on Rino/Ambro.. (maybe Brasiliero is biased against KPB cause we were supposed to get Jucilei instead :D)

Great post!!!! :ilol: Be careful, remember when I said Otamendi wasn't good? I wasn't being biased because he's an Argie, remember?? :smileani:

Now I will get some fire... Allegri until now is doing the same thing as Leo at the start. Trying Ronaldinho as AMD, where he manage to play for only 25/30 minutes(I'm being generous) and go to the left after that. Even Odu is doing a Pato of last season covering the right, just for Ronaldinho rest where he likes:angf: Until now, is the same scheme of the start of last season, but with better players at the back.

Also, Flamini on the bench, Ambro/Pirlo/Rinno/Seedorf starting(only broked by Boateng debut). Last season I criticized Leo several times, but the bias imo is on the other side. It's in Allegri be a Italian...

I will judge Allegri when Ronaldinho start to bend for the left and make his 4-3-1-2 more unbalanced than it is, now. In that time I will see of what our new coach is made... When Silvio start to moan on the press about Ronaldinho position... and of course, for the place we will finish in Serie A(CL)... Until now, it's all speculation and hopes...

Thats not fair with Boateng... don't compare him with Jucilei :) Jucilão is on another level!!! :smileani:

but Brasiliero, who do you think is better for Milan -- Ibra or Robinho? and try not to be biased!! :DLol
The better for Milan is to get rid of Ronaldinho and bring both!

Robinho is playing much better tracking back and doing a "false" AMD job. He was great at Santos doing it and now in Meneze's Brazil NT. Robinho isn't a winger as R. Madrid and City wanted him to turn. He's a second striker an could be a amazing facilitator playing in a free role behind Ibra and Pato. But I can't see Ronaldinho leaving...

[Elmago99]

Great post!!!! :ilol: Be careful, remember when I said Otamendi wasn't good? I wasn't being biased because he's an Argie, remember?? :smileani:

Now I will get some fire... Allegri until now is doing the same thing as Leo at the start. Trying Ronaldinho as AMD, where he manage to play for only 25/30 minutes(I'm being generous) and go to the left after that. Even Odu is doing a Pato of last season covering the right, just for Ronaldinho rest where he likes:angf: Until now, is the same scheme of the start of last season, but with better players at the back.

Also, Flamini on the bench, Ambro/Pirlo/Rinno/Seedorf starting(only broked by Boateng debut). Last season I criticized Leo several times, but the bias imo is on the other side. It's in Allegri be a Italian...

I will judge Allegri when Ronaldinho start to bend for the left and make his 4-3-1-2 more unbalanced than it is, now. In that time I will see of what our new coach is made... When Silvio start to moan on the press about Ronaldinho position... and of course, for the place we will finish in Serie A(CL)... Until now, it's all speculation and hopes...

Thats not fair with Boateng... don't compare him with Jucilei :) Jucilão is on another level!!! :smileani:

Lol
The better for Milan is to get rid of Ronaldinho and bring both!

Robinho is playing much better tracking back and doing a "false" AMD job. He was great at Santos doing it and now in Meneze's Brazil NT. Robinho isn't a winger as R. Madrid and City wanted him to turn. He's a second striker an could be a amazing facilitator playing in a free role behind Ibra and Pato. But I can't see Ronaldinho leaving...

This is what I've been saying all along.... Getting Ibra/Robinho still doesn't solve the main issues with Milan. They are simply:

1. RONALDINHO is only comfortable in a 4-3-3 Barca style system playing on left
2. Our Midfield does not link our defense to offense and is not skillful enough



---------Pirlo--------
--Jucilei------Flamini
-------Robinho----------
----Pato-----Ibrahimovic

is the best money could buy for Milan right now. Any system with Ronaldinho poses serious problems as far as balance and formations...

[Elmago99]

If we sell Flamini for 15m.. a legitimate box to box midfielder like Jucilei, Lassana Diarra, will cost more...

[Brasileiro]

It's something different, of course (even if it's in the same league), but it's better to have some experience instead of nothing at all ? I mean, Allegri comes here by already having an experience in Serie A, he did something great with a small team and "limited" players (Cagliari played well under Allegri, and they even were a "threat" for the big teams, as they were among the good mid-table teams). So he doesn't discover the job, he has nothing to learn, he just have to do his job.
Here I disagree, Geo...

He has a lot to learn. A experience(little) in Serie A is something nobody can take off of Allegri. But what he will face now is totally different of Cagliari. Do you remember of Luigi DelNeri experience after that very good Chievo team he form? Chievo was a very good(much better than Allegri Cagliari) and well coached team formed by him that even fight for the title. But after that, he failed at the next step, in Porto and Roma. Two big teams, but with no near the pressure a coach face at a big like Milan.

Before someone jump at me(already saw people being called idiot here), what I want to say is that Allegri chances are 50/50 and that imo he isn't the sure thing I've been hearing here. We can all hope for the best, but Allegri experience doesn't mean a lot to me... not for to coach team like Milan.
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EDIT: On a side note, and talking about Leonardo... He leave Brazil yesterday to meet Platini. Michel offered a job on UEFA to him and they will meet to discuss it. Plus, he will work for BBC in Champions League.

And in a sad note, Ganso hurt his knee yesterday in a win against Gremio and will be out for 6 months. Poor boy:sob:

[Brasileiro]

This is what I've been saying all along.... Getting Ibra/Robinho still doesn't solve the main issues with Milan. They are simply:

1. RONALDINHO is only comfortable in a 4-3-3 Barca style system playing on left
2. Our Midfield does not link our defense to offense and is not skillful enough



---------Pirlo--------
--Jucilei------Flamini
-------Robinho----------
----Pato-----Ibrahimovic

is the best money could buy for Milan right now. Any system with Ronaldinho poses serious problems as far as balance and formations... As I said in the past, the actual Ronaldinho reminds me of that 3-point specialist(NBA) that can win you a game in the last seconds, but if played as starter, will also hurt your chances to win the same game. Will make your team unbalanced...

Brazil NT become a more balanced team after the day Dunga stopped to call him. Even if the replacement was a normal player like Elano...

I can't deny, with that formation you post, we would be a real threat to everyone... Even in Champions.
If we sell Flamini for 15m.. a legitimate box to box midfielder like Jucilei, Lassana Diarra, will cost more...
Corinthians was asking 7 million for Jucilei one month ago. A team offered, but the player turned down because want to leave only for a top-3 league team.

[nefremo]

And in a sad note, Ganso hurt his knee yesterday in a win against Gremio and will be out for 6 months. Poor boy:sob:

I JUST saw that. I was looking at highlights from the most recent round of scores in Brazil and saw the highlights of that game. As soon as he pulled up before that penalty, I knew something went wrong. I searched on the web to see any news but couldn't find any and now you are telling us 6 months.

So unlucky for him. I can only say that I am hoping that he'll come back as good as he was. I truly think this player is hands down the best prospect (not sure if he is a prospect anymore as he has been playing and showing signs ofa true great) in Brazil. What a player and what talent. I can only hope for the good of football that nothing (skill wise, talent wise) is taken away from this player with this injury.

[Filipéz 182]

I cant believe some people actually want to sell Flamini for 15m. He's the only midfielder with good legs we got, he is good defensively and can also help us in attack, unlike max and gattuso, who are both over the hill!!! Flamini is the future of our midfield.

[Arildonardo]

Not so happy with the Flamini rumours. I thought he was going to be an important player for us this season. It means we will make our midfield worse to be able to upgrade the attack. That's not how to strengthen a team, is it? Unless we're replacing Flamini with someone better...

[payne]

I cant believe some people actually want to sell Flamini for 15m. He's the only midfielder with good legs we got, he is good defensively and can also help us in attack, unlike max and gattuso, who are both over the hill!!! Flamini is the future of our midfield.

i wont say he is the future of our midfield, but he is definitely the best we have now.(better than unmotivated pirlo).
i think we definately need to keep flamini. i think him and boateng will be crucial this year.

however i am for selling pirlo and or gattuso.

[Maltese Charlie]

i wont say he is the future of our midfield, but he is definitely the best we have now.(better than unmotivated pirlo).
i think we definately need to keep flamini. i think him and boateng will be crucial this year.

however i am for selling pirlo and or gattuso.

IF Flamini is for sale, Milan has an alternative player in mind.
Sure they are not going to invest over 100 million on Ibra and destroy the midfield.

And latest news I read says that Berlusconi is going to cover most of Ibra's expenses including the wages for this year, a total of 30 million.

[El Fre]

where did you guys see theflamini rumour?

there was nothing about him in galliani's or riola's or rosell's interviews.

they said the deal is worth 40 mil in 3 installments. 15+15+10 i think.

if they sell him, than we did nothing with this transfer, bought a great forward but sold the only midfielder who can bring the ball to our attackers....very bad move if true...

[Maltese Charlie]

where did you guys see theflamini rumour?

there was nothing about him in galliani's or riola's or rosell's interviews.

they said the deal is worth 40 mil in 3 installments. 15+15+10 i think.

if they sell him, than we did nothing with this transfer, bought a great forward but sold the only midfielder who can bring the ball to our attackers....very bad move if true...

TGcom and MilanNews.

[El Fre]

Ok, thanks Charlie.
Very bad.

when can we expect some news?

[Filipéz 182]

Lo aveva anticipato Adriano Galliani, "Ci sono giocatori richiesti dal Barcellona che però noi non siamo disposti a cedere", oggi Mundo Deportivo quotidiano vicino alla società blaugrana, conferma le parole dell'Ad rossonero. Secondo il giornale, il team di Rosell sarebbe pronto a cedere Ibrahimovic per circa 40 mln cash, più l'aggiunta di uno tra Thiago Silva o Pirlo, oppure abbassare le pretese arrivando a 20 mln, ma con l'inserimento di Pato nella trattativa. Come già anticipato dal dirigente milanista, nessuna contropartita tra quelle citate, verrà inserita nell'affare Ibra, che se si farà dovrà basarsi su altri punti saldi.

what is this? an option on T.Silva or Pirlo?

[Rossoneri Fuego]

Milan Aim To Bring Barcelona Forward Zlatan Ibrahimovic And Manchester City's Robinho To San Siro - Report

The dream team could be installed in Milan by January.....


As Swedish international Zlatan Ibrahimovic ponders his move from Barcelona to Milan reports in Italy suggest he could also be followed by unsettled Brazilian star Robinho from Manchester City.


Milan are looking to land Ibrahimovic for €40 million, paid in installments over three years, according to Corriere dello Sport. The striker is said to be willing to reduced his wages to €8m over the course of a five year contract to return to Milan for the Rossoneri.


However, a deal that was first thought as an alternative to Ibrahimovic or even to compensate the loss of Ronaldinho, who is now set to stay, Brazilian star Robinho could be about to follow 'Ibra' to the San Siro.


The unsettled forward continues to look for a way out of Eastlands and the Italian media suggest that a deal might not be brokered until January. In the long term the former Real Madrid man will fill the boots of 'Dinho' if he doesn't extend his current contract.

www.goal.com

[ACMILAN1983]

Wow, not seen the forum so busy in ages lol.

Anyway, rumours are flying, but frankly the only one that seemed noteworthy was Ibra wants to think about his salary.

I don't believe Flamini will leave, it would be a ridiculous move and I doubt the management would ever consider it (same with the Thiago/Pirlo rumour I think I read above).

I'm also surprised so many posters think Boateng is a starter at this point. While I was a big advocate of his signing, it wasn't with him as a sure starter that I had him in mind.

I thought we established Ronaldinho does not like nor has he been successful as a number 10 CENTER ATTACKING MID....

I'd love to see him be able to play there, but history does not support that..

Secondly, if ROBINHO plays a 2nd striker, then who's the first striker, PATO?

They both play the same way..they do not compliment each other.. am i wrong?

I must say yes, I think you're wrong. Pato is a very versatile player, and in the past there were many arguments for him to be used leading the line of attack. I was one of the posters who argued most for him to be used there and provided numerous statistics that showed his effectiveness at the top of the attack.

Even now I think he's quite possibly best used there and his game for Brazil recently showed quite how good he could be there (he missed a lot of chances, but also lacked match sharpness).

That isn't to say it's his only option. I've always fancied the idea of giving him a free role in attack (but maybe when he's more developed).

Pessimism?!?!? I call it a different opinion... And if you think our mid looked better than in a long time last game(fair enough), I can say we will disagree in everything about midfield.

If you think our mid will be great, fine. But last year we lost several 3 points in Serie A because our mid run out of gas. Games we scored and were winning... Even in San Siro! In C.L we were out runner even more. And this season they are one year older. Plus, just because I don't share your opinion about Boateng, doesn't mean I'm a pessimist... But I sure hope Boateng proves me wrong. We will need him to perform...

Btw, why we have a better coach now? I hope the best for Allegri, but until now(like Leo last year), he did nothing in Milan(or other big team) to be label as a sure thing. The management of a small team is a different animal than what he will face now... So, lets wait for the finish of the season before saying he's better at Milan than Leonardo.
Even more, because Allegri will need to do better than what you wrote in the quote above, since he will have a much better and(apparently) health team.

Brasileiro, i agree and disagree with you. I agree that I don't think our midfield is particularly brilliant, we have some very good players, but those who are that good are generally on the wrong side of 30. However, I do think we have potential with what we have, if we get players of Ibra or Robinho's quality.

I say this mainly because of the coach. Leonardo didn't have a huge amount to work with (Allegri's got a stronger defence, some reinforcement for midfield, youth players who are prepared to play some part in the first team squad and now looks to be getting a top forward). Because of this, Leo was forced to play a broken team. Essentially this is a team made up of two units, the defensive unit who will generally just defend (with exception to Antonini who pushed up well last season) and the attacking unit who will generally just attack (with guys like Dinho, Seedorf and Pato not dropping deep to defend).

Broken teams work ok when you rely on individuals to win you games as we did with Nesta, Thiago, Pato and Dinho last year. However, against good units, broken teams are easily beaten as they simply get overwhelmed by well organised opponents (Man Utd second leg and Inter are examples from last year, where the lack of defensive support from our attackers showed our weaknesses).

The difference this year is Allegri has clearly drilled our team to play as a compact unit. Whilst we weren't that impressive in the first half against Barca, our defensive shape was very solid and whilst creating nothing, we also gave away nothing. For our midfield, this will be of major benefit as it won't be just 2-3 men who have the responsibility to cover the defence.

I'm not saying we're a great team even if we get Ibra/Robinho. But definitely the way we're going to play this season should benefit our team structure and especially our midfield.

[Jay Crisp]

Ibra and binho wow that's a dream , I'll believe that when I see it.Ibra I'd say will come but will we get the decision today ??? If Ibra and binho did come now how about V.D.Vaart aswell...lol , It will be really interesting to see developements in the next day or so.And Serie A is on Setanta aswell this year so the big 6 teams Inter Milan , Juve , Milan , Fiorentina , Roma , and one of Genoa or Palermo or Napoli will always be live at some point of the WKND on Setanta or ESPN which is great news.

[Kaka1899]

Milan CEO Adriano Galliani has invited Inter fans to the Zlatan Ibrahimovic party, such is his confidence of signing the Barcelona man.

Galliani's response was directed at Nerazzurri president Massimo Moratti, who on Thursday said that he hoped "Ibrahimovic remained at Barcelona" so that he would not join their city-rivals.

Galliani has now hit back as he waits for a response from the striker following a day of wheeling and dealing in Barcelona.

"I will invite all the Interisti to the celebrations too," he told La Gazzetta dello Sport, referring to Moratti's comments.

The pink sheet paper claims a €40 million offer for Barcelona, plus €45m in wages for Ibrahimovic over five years could push the move towards a conclusion.

Last night Ibrahimovic confirmed he wanted 24 hours to decide his future after speaking with Galliani.
====================================
What a pantomime this has turned into! we have a comedy villain who turns into a hero, we have the evil devious neighbour/enemy and the star of the show been Ibra with a twist in the story with Robinho thrown in! Somebody get me Steven Spielbergs number! :D

[Vulli]

Friday 27 August

Gazzetta dello Sport
Milan with Ibra against Mou
Galliani optimistic on Ibra
“I'll also invite the Inter fans to the party”

Corriere dello Sport
Ibra to Milan: Yes!

Tuttosport
Ibra in red and black until 2015

AS
Milan and Barca: there is an agreement for Ibrahimovic
40 milion to Barca with installment

[Maltese Charlie]

I wish to know more about our new signing Bruno Montelongo from Uruguay, from somebody who watched him play.

[Tony75]

Ibra and binho wow that's a dream , I'll believe that when I see it.Ibra I'd say will come but will we get the decision today ??? If Ibra and binho did come now how about V.D.Vaart aswell...lol , It will be really interesting to see developements in the next day or so.And Serie A is on Setanta aswell this year so the big 6 teams Inter Milan , Juve , Milan , Fiorentina , Roma , and one of Genoa or Palermo or Napoli will always be live at some point of the WKND on Setanta or ESPN which is great news.
Didn't know Setanta got rights for this season. Still won't get it as commentators are ****.

[Tony75]

Milan CEO Adriano Galliani has invited Inter fans to the Zlatan Ibrahimovic party, such is his confidence of signing the Barcelona man.

Galliani's response was directed at Nerazzurri president Massimo Moratti, who on Thursday said that he hoped "Ibrahimovic remained at Barcelona" so that he would not join their city-rivals.

Galliani has now hit back as he waits for a response from the striker following a day of wheeling and dealing in Barcelona.

"I will invite all the Interisti to the celebrations too," he told La Gazzetta dello Sport, referring to Moratti's comments.

The pink sheet paper claims a €40 million offer for Barcelona, plus €45m in wages for Ibrahimovic over five years could push the move towards a conclusion.

Last night Ibrahimovic confirmed he wanted 24 hours to decide his future after speaking with Galliani.
====================================
What a pantomime this has turned into! we have a comedy villain who turns into a hero, we have the evil devious neighbour/enemy and the star of the show been Ibra with a twist in the story with Robinho thrown in! Somebody get me Steven Spielbergs number! :D

Have to say these comments from Galliani about inviting inertisti's to a celebration of signing a former player is distasteful and weak.

[Vulli]

Genoa tries again for Marek Jankulovski. A few days before the end of mercato, genoa has contacted the agent of Marek to convince him to accept the destination genoana. Jankulovski however, seems convinced of staying at Milan, to respect the contract which expires in 2011

[Tony75]

I wish to know more about our new signing Bruno Montelongo from Uruguay, from somebody who watched him play.
There seems to be limited video's on youtube etc for him. Thuink he can play both sides of def. Decent height and good age so one for today and tomorrow hopefully.

[Kaka1899]

Have to say these comments from Galliani about inviting inertisti's to a celebration of signing a former player is distasteful and weak.

i think it was more of a retort to Moratti who said he hopes we fail to sign Ibra, maybe he is worried about something?

[Tony75]

News could get better as Genoa are trying for janku again. Even better would be Oddo or Kaladze, but one of the 3 stooges gone would be good.

[Filipéz 182]

Fckin jankulovski!

[El Fre]

Have to say these comments from Galliani about inviting inertisti's to a celebration of signing a former player is distasteful and weak.

He only did it after moratti made some comments in the press.
I would agree with you if it were anybody else in question, but Moratti deserves this.

[Tony75]

i think it was more of a retort to Moratti who said he hopes we fail to sign Ibra, maybe he is worried about something?

Still, we should be the bigger team as history dictates and the future will bring.

Let crooked teeth say what he wants.

[Vulli]

Daily Mirror reveals that Tottenham have started negotiations with AC Milan to bring the Dutchman to London on loan with an option to purchase after this season. The fixed price would be 12 million pounds (over 14.5 million )

[Tony75]

I wish to know more about our new signing Bruno Montelongo from Uruguay, from somebody who watched him play.

According to River Plate website he had his medical yesterday so he seems to be a new Milanplayer if he passes.:)

They have him as a wide mid with good speed and skill.

[Tony75]

Daily Mirror reveals that Tottenham have started negotiations with AC Milan to bring the Dutchman to London on loan with an option to purchase after this season. The fixed price would be 12 million pounds (over 14.5 million )
I'd prefer Borriello to go as hunter never got a proper chance, but still if he;s sold to cover Ibra and Robinho I won't complain.

[Tony75]

He only did it after moratti made some comments in the press.
I would agree with you if it were anybody else in question, but Moratti deserves this.
Moratti deserves only ignorance.

[devoted_dm]

Have to say these comments from Galliani about inviting inertisti's to a celebration of signing a former player is distasteful and weak.

I thought it was pretty funny. Moratti has said some really disrespectful things lately, so a retort from Galliani (something that he doesn't do very often) is just what is needed right now :5inter:

[Jim_UK]

Barcelona (bunch of mercenaries - i hate how they go about transfers now and think they're better than everyone else!) have agreed a fee for Mascherano so i see no need for them to get Flamini.

Flamini will surely realise that he's going to get more games here than at Barcelona.

Has our new signing Bruno Montelongo taken our only non-eu spot? Could have been used to better effect if it has.

[devoted_dm]

Has our new signing Bruno Montelongo taken our only non-eu spot? Could have been used to better effect if it has.

From what I understand he has an Italian passport, so the non-eu spot is still open.

[Filipéz 182]

Barcelona (bunch of mercenaries - i hate how they go about transfers now and think they're better than everyone else!) have agreed a fee for Mascherano so i see no need for them to get Flamini.

Flamini will surely realise that he's going to get more games here than at Barcelona.

Has our new signing Bruno Montelongo taken our only non-eu spot? Could have been used to better effect if it has.

was there ever talk they wanted Flamini?

Lyon on the other hand made a bid for him, 12-15m.

[Filipéz 182]

www.acmilan.com

Server is too busy :D

[Jay Crisp]

Didn't know Setanta got rights for this season. Still won't get it as commentators are ****.

Yeah its on the Setanta Ireland channel saw an add for it yesterday and Milan v Leece is live sunday a 7:45.

[devoted_dm]

Pessimism?!?!? I call it a different opinion... And if you think our mid looked better than in a long time last game(fair enough), I can say we will disagree in everything about midfield.

If you think our mid will be great, fine. But last year we lost several 3 points in Serie A because our mid run out of gas. Games we scored and were winning... Even in San Siro! In C.L we were out runner even more. And this season they are one year older. Plus, just because I don't share your opinion about Boateng, doesn't mean I'm a pessimist... But I sure hope Boateng proves me wrong. We will need him to perform...


Btw, why we have a better coach now? I hope the best for Allegri, but until now(like Leo last year), he did nothing in Milan(or other big team) to be label as a sure thing. The management of a small team is a different animal than what he will face now... So, lets wait for the finish of the season before saying he's better at Milan than Leonardo.
Even more, because Allegri will need to do better than what you wrote in the quote above, since he will have a much better and(apparently) health team.

I think there's a few things that should be mentioned about our midfield, when you say that it kept running out of gas, is that it often consisted of Pirlo, Ambrosini and Seedorf. Pirlo has never been good defensively and he never ran much. He is the same player that he always was. Ambrosini is a hard worker. The problem, as I see it, with our midfield was that we kept playing either Seedorf or Gattuso, two players who are clearly too old now, while Flamini never really got a decent chance to show what he can do.

If we have a midfield consisting of Pirlo, Ambrosini and Flamini/Boateng, we will be fine. The only defensive liability is Pirlo, but he adds so much to our attacking play that we have to play him. The thing is that he needs two hard-working midfielders alongside him. Ambro is one of them, and it looks like Allegri will give the other midfield spot to either Flamini or Boateng. In that case I really don't see why we should worry, because both of them play aggressively and are hard workers. To me that actually sounds like a recipe for success, considering that we have some very skillfull and creative players in attack, and a defense that is far more solid than it was last season.

As for Allegri, I agree that coaching a team like Milan is very different from Cagliari, but then again Leo came in with no coaching experience at all, while Allegri was coach of the year in the Serie A for two seasons in a row. The team looks much more organized now than it did last season, as if there's an actual plan behind how they play. Allegri has everything to prove, but overall I would say that things look much, much better for us now than they did last summer.

[devoted_dm]

milannews.it reports that Ibra has agreed terms with Milan (or rather that Raiola and Galliani have an agreement)!

8.5/9 million euro per season.

[Maltese Charlie]

Ibra's agent and Galliani just reached an agreement, 8,5/9 million per year.



Looks like Ibra is a 100% milan player now.

[GeoTav]

We officially acquired the rights of Adria, a young player of Barcelona.
Boateng and Beretta are now officially co-owned by Genoa and Milan.

Source: AC Milan :D

And Milan has suddenly got money from "nowhere" ... ahah !!
Is it political (for Berlu) ? Is it to please our new sponsor ? Or is it just a choice of the management to have a team able to compete to win a trophy this season ?

[Gabriel489]

Or there could be a new owner taking over Milan.

[mrki]

We officially acquired the rights of Adria, a young player of Barcelona.
Boateng and Beretta are now officially co-owned by Genoa and Milan.

Source: AC Milan :D

And Milan has suddenly got money from "nowhere" ... ahah !!
Is it political (for Berlu) ? Is it to please our new sponsor ? Or is it just a choice of the management to have a team able to compete to win a trophy this season ?

Is it political? Noooo... Football is politics, has been for some time now. Sad but, that is how it is.

Some reports now say we'll maybe even buy Robinho and he'll replace Dinho who would agree some deal in the winter in the USA, Brasil etc. Insane...

Milan is Milan, has the money and has none. But this deal is not the deal I was talking about when I was saying how "this is a brilliant deal" and we cannot buy any better with that kind of money. If we sell Flamini we did a BIG mistake as our midfield is too slow.

Boateng showed extreme phisical ability, we'll see how he thinks while he plays big games. And Flamini is a player that is in first 11, if not, in first 14 in our club for sure.

Sell Hunter, MArek, Kaladze, Abate... not Flamini.

Montelongo is Allegri's new attacking RB. We'll see. Comments on youtube are: "hahahahahaha...." :wow: Cardaccio how are you lately? :)

Anyway, Ibra is class, we'll gain more balance and we'll play better vs small teams for sure.

Our fullbacks are not Milan quality, and that is why I do not count on great success in CL at all.

[Filipéz 182]

12:50 - Mino Raiola, intervistato da Alessandro Alciato di Sky Sport fuori dagli uffici del Barcellona, ha parlato del suo assistito e della trattativa con il Milan: "Ero dentro gli uffici per questioni generiche, premi e assicurazioni per Maxwell e Ibra. Ibra non ha ancora deciso, non siamo ancora nel vivo della trattativa. Se va via dal Barcellona va al Milan. Percentuali? Non faccio scommesse. La telefonata con Allegri? Anche se ci fosse stata non confermo".

I dont understand italian, but are we including maxwell in the deal? :D
that would be sweet.

[Nalx]

www.acmilan.com

Server is too busy :D

It reminds me when we just signed Sandro years ago. What a day to remember!!

Anyway is it 24 hours already? Are you in or are you out Zlatan?

What took him so long to decide? I know I'd say yes right away if I were him :1old:

[GeoTav]

Is it political? Noooo... Football is politics, has been for some time now. Sad but, that is how it is.

Some reports now say we'll maybe even buy Robinho and he'll replace Dinho who would agree some deal in the winter in the USA, Brasil etc. Insane...

Milan is Milan, has the money and has none. But this deal is not the deal I was talking about when I was saying how "this is a brilliant deal" and we cannot buy any better with that kind of money. If we sell Flamini we did a BIG mistake as our midfield is too slow.

Boateng showed extreme phisical ability, we'll see how he thinks while he plays big games. And Flamini is a player that is in first 11, if not, in first 14 in our club for sure.

Sell Hunter, MArek, Kaladze, Abate... not Flamini.

Montelongo is Allegri's new attacking RB. We'll see. Comments on youtube are: "hahahahahaha...." :wow: Cardaccio how are you lately? :)

Anyway, Ibra is class, we'll gain more balance and we'll play better vs small teams for sure.

Our fullbacks are not Milan quality, and that is why I do not count on great success in CL at all.

Well, for Hunter, it starts to be hot: Schalke 04 is very interested, and now Tottenham is also in the race again.

And on TMW, it is reported that Genoa is there for Jankulovski again.

[M.O.I.]

maxwell???

just perfect!perfect for the role we need helping dinho!!wow

[Kaka1899]

Luciano Moggi has lavished praise on Milan as they attempt to throw together a colossal move for Barcelona hitman Zlatan Ibrahimovic.

It was Moggi who introduced Ibrahimovic to Serie A six years ago when he signed him for Juventus for Ajax and the Italian believes the Rossoneri are moving in the right direction.

Milan will have to stretch wide financially to land him but have plunged into talks with the Catalans. Moggi insists that the move will deliver a source of profit for Silvio Berlusconi's club on the pitch.

"I am pleased with the positive news about the Milan and Ibrahimovic deal," he wrote in his Tuttomercatoweb.com column.

"He is a phenonmenal player, scares defences, no-one can get close to him. I followed him on the pitch, not through dvds which is what Inter did.

"His only defect is that sometimes he enjoys himself too much when on the ball. With Ibrahimovic Milan will be like Inter, and the Nerazzurri will be scared of them.

"However, the transfer will not be easy though. Milan must make a step forward, and Barcelona a step back."

[brk]

There is nothing involving Maxwell. Raiola was asked what he was doing in the Barca offices and he said he was doing work for Maxwell and Ibra (something to do with insurance premiums) and it was unrelated with Milan. Stop dreaming.

Oh, and where the hell did goal.com get the idea that we can get both Robinho and Ibra? What the ****?

[Kaka1899]

There is nothing involving Maxwell. Raiola was asked what he was doing in the Barca offices and he said he was doing work for Maxwell and Ibra (something to do with insurance premiums) and it was unrelated with Milan. Stop dreaming.

Oh, and where the hell did goal.com get the idea that we can get both Robinho and Ibra? What the ****?

i think it said if Dinho decides to go to the MLS or back to Brazil then we would get Robinho in January

[Maltese Charlie]

MILAN: CAMILLERI
Il Milan è vicino al difensore classe '92 della Reggina, Camilleri. Il giocatore è reduce da un'esperienza al Chelsea e saldamente inserito nel giro della nazionale U19 e arriverà in rossonero in prestito.

Camilleri is a maltese surname.
Who knows? may be an uknown second cousin:devf::D

[Aficio]

www.acmilan.com

Server is too busy :D


Reminds me when we signed Ronaldo :D

[Kaka1899]

www.acmilan.com

Server is too busy :D

it works for me

[payne]

Zlatan down, hopefully Robino is next..........hopefully.

[Jay Crisp]

Zlatan down, hopefully Robino is next..........hopefully.

I wouldnt say it's down yet as Raiola is saying there is alot to go through and I'll just wait until an official announcement before I get excited.

[Maltese Charlie]

Aleegri said that with Ibrahimovic Milan are set, and no other new players will arrive. Even midfielders we have 6 for 3 posts.

For those who are dreaming about Robinho, forget him for this year.

[rosoneri_11]

i prefer 2 fullbacks instead of giving 20-25M for Robinho.....
if you want a competitive team the fullbacks are very important for a team........

[Kaka1899]

Aleegri said that with Ibrahimovic Milan are set, and no other new players will arrive. Even midfielders we have 6 for 3 posts.

For those who are dreaming about Robinho, forget him for this year.

Summer, January watch this space ;)

[Bosniaco]

Well fuc.k you Galliani, you pay 40 mil for Ibra, but can't buy Dzeko too expensive? Bull****, Ibra is almost 29, Dzeko is the future Ibra. Galliani sucks with these deals, I think he lost it and he is still fullfilling his dreams of players that he wanted to see at Milan but cound buy them in their prime.

Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Bechham, Vieri, ect.

[Jay Crisp]

Well fuc.k you Galliani, you pay 40 mil for Ibra, but can't buy Dzeko too expensive? Bull****, Ibra is almost 29, Dzeko is the future Ibra. Galliani sucks with these deals, I think he lost it and he is still fullfilling his dreams of players that he wanted to see at Milan but cound buy them in their prime.

Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Bechham, Vieri, ect.

Biased much ??? Dzeko is great but our mgt do not think a player with huge potential is worth 40 million , its their money unfortunately and while i'd prefer Dzeko myself I will not curse out mgt for attempting to sign Ibra he will add alot and make us better in attack guarantee (well hopefully) 20 + goals and unlock defences in those games where teams play a 9-1 formation 9 defenders one striker.

[payne]

i prefer 2 fullbacks instead of giving 20-25M for Robinho.....
if you want a competitive team the fullbacks are very important for a team........

robinho is about 15-18 mil

[GeoTav]

Well fuc.k you Galliani, you pay 40 mil for Ibra, but can't buy Dzeko too expensive? Bull****, Ibra is almost 29, Dzeko is the future Ibra. Galliani sucks with these deals, I think he lost it and he is still fullfilling his dreams of players that he wanted to see at Milan but cound buy them in their prime.

Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Bechham, Vieri, ect.

We all know you're a big fan of Dzeko, but how can you be unhappy to see Milan buying a high profile player, just because it's not the one you wanted ?

Seriously, sometimes, some reactions are weird: if we buy nobody, people are unhappy (we don't spend), if we buy an unknown player, people are unhappy ("not good enough" or "useless deal" before even seeing the guy), if we manage to have a cheap deal (Flamini, Sokratis to give 2 examples), people are unhappy (because we're cheap), if we buy a star player, people are unhappy (not their own favorite choice), ...

Damn, I wanted Lloris, Sergio Ramos, Fabregas and ... Dzeko/Robinho/Villa, and we only got Amelia, Sokratis, Boateng and probably Ibrahimovic. Milan is so disappointing !!

[payne]

Well fuc.k you Galliani, you pay 40 mil for Ibra, but can't buy Dzeko too expensive? Bull****, Ibra is almost 29, Dzeko is the future Ibra. Galliani sucks with these deals, I think he lost it and he is still fullfilling his dreams of players that he wanted to see at Milan but cound buy them in their prime.

Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Bechham, Vieri, ect.

Dzeko is good, but he hasnt been proven in Italy as yet, while Zlatan has already shown he is good in Italy.

ALso Zlatan will generate more revenue, due to the controversy as he is a ex inter, and he is also more popular, and will also sell more jerseys.

p.s in sure we would have chose Dzeko had it not been for his price, its a gamble we just werent will to to try.

[Revolver]

Well fuc.k you Galliani, you pay 40 mil for Ibra, but can't buy Dzeko too expensive? Bull****, Ibra is almost 29, Dzeko is the future Ibra. Galliani sucks with these deals, I think he lost it and he is still fullfilling his dreams of players that he wanted to see at Milan but cound buy them in their prime.

Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Bechham, Vieri, ect.

Calm down mate...

Dzeko could be new Ibra but for now he is just a very good player of great potential and he has to PROVE himself in a big club.

It's not just Galliani, nobody in Europe wants to pay 40 M for Dzeko, that's because it's too much to pay for unproven player.

On the other hand, Ibra has proved himself as a world-class goalscorer in a big club and in a big league. Furthermore, he gives his team something more than goals, which is the only thing Dzeko provides at the moment, goals and nothing more.

I'm a big fan of Dzeko, I like him just like 99% of Bosnian people like him (as a person and as a player), but honestly if I had to choose between him and Ibra, I would choose Ibra.

[payne]

Milan rejected an offer for Abate!!!1
WHY? i think he should go, all he does is run.

[El Fre]

Well fuc.k you Galliani, you pay 40 mil for Ibra, but can't buy Dzeko too expensive? Bull****, Ibra is almost 29, Dzeko is the future Ibra. Galliani sucks with these deals, I think he lost it and he is still fullfilling his dreams of players that he wanted to see at Milan but cound buy them in their prime.

Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Bechham, Vieri, ect.

Just like Jay said, you're biassed too much.
Even Pato, a player with more potential cost 20 mil.
40 mil for Dzeko is too much, that's why he'll stay there until they drop the price.

[K77SH C]

Okay, Basniaco is biased, but isn't that what being a fans about?

My personal opinion is that Wolfsburg ain't selling, so we can't have him. Simples!

[Kaka1899]

sooner or later Dzeko's contract will run out and this will force Wolfsburg to open their hand a little more its either sell and make some money or loose him on a free transfer, just a matter of time really

[GeoTav]

sooner or later Dzeko's contract will run out and this will force Wolfsburg to open their hand a little more its either sell and make some money or loose him on a free transfer, just a matter of time really

But the guy signed a new contract last year, so this "game" could last for a few more years ...

Actually, Dzeko can stay 3 years in Wolfsburg, then he will be able to come in Milan ... to replace Ibra ? :D

About Montelongo, I saw on some website that his arrival could mean Abate will leave in the next few days ... Anyway, I don't know how good or bad the player is.

[Brasileiro]

I must say yes, I think you're wrong. Pato is a very versatile player, and in the past there were many arguments for him to be used leading the line of attack. I was one of the posters who argued most for him to be used there and provided numerous statistics that showed his effectiveness at the top of the attack.

Even now I think he's quite possibly best used there and his game for Brazil recently showed quite how good he could be there (he missed a lot of chances, but also lacked match sharpness).

That isn't to say it's his only option. I've always fancied the idea of giving him a free role in attack (but maybe when he's more developed).
I agree... and remember of the discussion about Pato's role.

We talked about it a lot, but for some reason people didn't want to hear... Pato played his entire(young) life as a CF in Brazil. Since Iternacional youths, Brazil NT(under-17 and 20) and now is(and will) be Brazil CF. Pato is learning to play another offensive role in Milan.
Brasileiro, i agree and disagree with you. I agree that I don't think our midfield is particularly brilliant, we have some very good players, but those who are that good are generally on the wrong side of 30. However, I do think we have potential with what we have, if we get players of Ibra or Robinho's quality.

I say this mainly because of the coach. Leonardo didn't have a huge amount to work with (Allegri's got a stronger defence, some reinforcement for midfield, youth players who are prepared to play some part in the first team squad and now looks to be getting a top forward). Because of this, Leo was forced to play a broken team. Essentially this is a team made up of two units, the defensive unit who will generally just defend (with exception to Antonini who pushed up well last season) and the attacking unit who will generally just attack (with guys like Dinho, Seedorf and Pato not dropping deep to defend).

Broken teams work ok when you rely on individuals to win you games as we did with Nesta, Thiago, Pato and Dinho last year. However, against good units, broken teams are easily beaten as they simply get overwhelmed by well organised opponents (Man Utd second leg and Inter are examples from last year, where the lack of defensive support from our attackers showed our weaknesses).

The difference this year is Allegri has clearly drilled our team to play as a compact unit. Whilst we weren't that impressive in the first half against Barca, our defensive shape was very solid and whilst creating nothing, we also gave away nothing. For our midfield, this will be of major benefit as it won't be just 2-3 men who have the responsibility to cover the defence.

I'm not saying we're a great team even if we get Ibra/Robinho. But definitely the way we're going to play this season should benefit our team structure and especially our midfield.
Very good points here... the bold part imo is almost the same vision I have of our team.

I just want to see this team in some real games before I judge Allegri work. Having Bonera at RB is a HUGE upgrade instead of the Milanl Zambrota(or Abate). At least for the defensive side. Sokratis(sp?) also, is showing(until now) that can be a very good backup for Nesta/Silva.

But at the same time, against Barça, several times Jonathan, Thiago, Iniesta were receiving the ball free behind our midfield. The good part was our defense wasn't only solid in the middle like last season, but I still saw the same problems. Ambro give 120% in all games, but a mid with him and Pirlo, can't cope with the pace of the game nowadays. Gattuso?? Diego(alone) torched us against Juve(thanks to get rid of him, Juve. Milan appreciate:) ) in San Siro...

I don't know, but I can't see we having a chance to win Serie A if a pair of Ambro/Pirlo/Gattuso/Seedorf is playing at the same time... Even with the reinforcement of Rafa Benitez:guw:
I JUST saw that. I was looking at highlights from the most recent round of scores in Brazil and saw the highlights of that game. As soon as he pulled up before that penalty, I knew something went wrong. I searched on the web to see any news but couldn't find any and now you are telling us 6 months.

So unlucky for him. I can only say that I am hoping that he'll come back as good as he was. I truly think this player is hands down the best prospect (not sure if he is a prospect anymore as he has been playing and showing signs ofa true great) in Brazil. What a player and what talent. I can only hope for the good of football that nothing (skill wise, talent wise) is taken away from this player with this injury.
Yep, Ganso face tells everything. The lad is depressed...

Barcelona (bunch of mercenaries - i hate how they go about transfers now and think they're better than everyone else!) have agreed a fee for Mascherano so i see no need for them to get Flamini.Some Liverpool sour grapes here??:grinser:

Serious... I can't understand why Barça will spend a lot with Mascherano. A great holder, no doubt. But not their style...

[nefremo]

Milan rejected an offer for Abate!!!1
WHY? i think he should go, all he does is run.

Yea, but we don't have many players in our team that can just run. :D And sometimes you need that in a team.

But anyhow, I wouldn't sell him at this point. He is young, from our academy, and can improve. Besides, we need to have a good bench in order to win titles. So while Abate may not be starting material, he can provide some good cover from the bench. On top of that, there is plenty of other bozos in our squad that should go before he does: Janku, Kaladze, Oddo, Onyewu

[Sputnik]

Oh well, these reports....:D

http://www.rossoneriblog.com/ibra-and-robinho-to-land-both-in-san-siro/

So, let's talk about a scenario that lands both Ibra and Robinho in San Siro but we sell Flamini and Huntelaar for about 30mil.

What do you think?
I think it's a steal.

[Arildonardo]

Serious... I can't understand why Barça will spend a lot with Mascherano. A great holder, no doubt. But not their style...

I think maybe that's exactly why they are signing him, he's not their style. Both the strength and the "weakness" of Barcelona is their style, when it works it's fantastic and when they're having a bad day (yes, they do occur from time to time) they have no alternative way of playing.

[Arildonardo]

Milan rejected an offer for Abate!!!1
WHY? i think he should go, all he does is run.

At least someone does... :dcool:

[GeoTav]

I think maybe that's exactly why they are signing him, he's not their style. Both the strength and the "weakness" of Barcelona is their style, when it works it's fantastic and when they're having a bad day (yes, they do occur from time to time) they have no alternative way of playing.

Well, he will allow Barcelona to be better when they have to defend, and his role should be quite easy: "take the ball, and give it to one of the guys around you", nothing more I think ...

Barcelona lacks this kind of player, like you said, so who knows ? It could be the reinforcement they waited for a long time.

Anyway, I'm also confident that Mascherano in Barcelona could be a big failure because Guardiola seems to make bad choices regarding new players. The fact is that Guardiola has used the system set by Rijkaard and took profit of Messi becoming the great player he is, but IMO, when he asked for Ibrahimovic (Barcelona hasn't played with big CF since ...) or asks for Mascherano (a pure DM), his plan is probably to change a little bit the style of the team to have a FC Guardiola (like Raiola said :D), in other words, he wants to let his print in the club I think. So far, each time he tried to change something or include his ideas in the team, he failed (another example is when he tried to use Messi as a kind of ACM).

[Revolver]

Oh well, these reports....:D

http://www.rossoneriblog.com/ibra-and-robinho-to-land-both-in-san-siro/

So, let's talk about a scenario that lands both Ibra and Robinho in San Siro but we sell Flamini and Huntelaar for about 30mil.

What do you think?
I think it's a steal.

I don't know how we would fit Ibra, Robinho, Ronaldinho and Pato in the same 11. In Serie A it's impossible.

Regarding Flamini, I think it would be bad to sell him, but Allegri perhaps has some other ideas. All I can tell is Allegri wants his wing-forwards to track back to help side-backs and three midfielders to cover center plus side just if needed, unlike Leo where two, rarely three, midfielders, had to cover all ground.

[hitmannq8]

Keep in mind Ronaldinho is very inconsistent and Pato is out injured 50% of the time.... so we need someone else other than a gamble on Ibra... Robinho sounds great. Plus Ronaldinho's contract will expire next year, we must be prepared to get a player for when he's gone, and who better than Robinho? Chances like these will never come again.

Maltese Charlie, please find out for me what happened to Coates and the Argentinean wonderkid that we are apparently trying to sign tomorrow?

[GeoTav]

I don't know how we would fit Ibra, Robinho, Ronaldinho and Pato in the same 11. In Serie A it's impossible.

Regarding Flamini, I think it would be bad to sell him, but Allegri perhaps has some other ideas. All I can tell is Allegri wants his wing-forwards to track back to help side-backs and three midfielders to cover center plus side just if needed, unlike Leo where two, rarely three, midfielders, had to cover all ground.

I think it's more possible to do so in Serie A than in CL ...
Anyway, having all these players would allow a good rotation in attack, which would probably help Pato not to get an injury too often.

[Rabia15]

Regarding Flamini, i believe that Milan wont sell or cant sell him, considering our midfield, im hopeful from both Boateng and Flamini add to midfield what we lack. Merkel should get good playing time as well. i wish we could sign a world class midfielder there too. On the other hand, Flamini's wages are too much and 15 m euros from Lyon is a nice offer i must confess, yet like i said, i expect him to stay.

Still our team lacks more, quality right wing back, upgrade over Antonini for instance, im not convinced with him, then vice Pato or Dinho, considering Pato's injury rate last season, off course, with ibra's arrival, CF is set. we dont need anyone for there, as ibra and Borriello are more than enough.

Regarding Dzeko, Where was his mind when he renewed his contract with them last year? Then, we cant complain about him, ibra is 28, ibra can play at highest level at least 3-4 years, proven world class player, was most useful player in Serie A. Wolsburg doesnt want to sell him and asks for 50 m euros.

i hope this year, hope to see a midfield trio, with Flamini, Boateng and Pirlo/Seedorf, Ambro and Gattuso can be reserves. hope to see Merkel get more playing time.

A midfield trio with Seedorf, Amrbo and Pirlo,we dont have much chance vs strong teams. so Merkel, Boateng and Flamini should do their job.

[brk]

Merkel? Give me a break, he has potential but you can't expect him to replace Ambro so soon.

Boateng will rotate with Flamini for that second CM, the other one is Ambro. Strasser and Gattuso are the backups. Merkel will probably play with the Primavera, anyway.

I'm liking the idea of having Robinho be Ronaldinho's long term replacement, meaning we won't renew his contract. I think that's a great idea, and if we can get him in January, that would be great.

Man, I can't wait to see Ibra up there with Ronaldinho and Pato...

[Sputnik]

I don't know how we would fit Ibra, Robinho, Ronaldinho and Pato in the same 11. In Serie A it's impossible.

Regarding Flamini, I think it would be bad to sell him, but Allegri perhaps has some other ideas. All I can tell is Allegri wants his wing-forwards to track back to help side-backs and three midfielders to cover center plus side just if needed, unlike Leo where two, rarely three, midfielders, had to cover all ground.

I know it's difficult and not very wise to fit all of them in the same staring 11 but that would say something for our attacking depth. I mean we have Serie A and CL and some Cup games. With Ibra AND Robinho, an utopic scenario to be sincere, we get incredibly strong on attack.
And dont tell me that anyone who is a Milan fan doesnt get a bit concerned with all these minor Pato injuries.
For a boy his age its not a good sign.

If Flamini stays, that's good. I always liked him. If we manage to sell him for more than 10mil or even 15 as some sources report, then that's better.
Come on, guys. 15 million for Flamini? More than you would get for Dinho at the moment.

Still i see Flamini as a vital part of the first team this season, so if he goes, he has to be replaced. Or else, we are left only with Boateng, a guy who seems promising but we are not sure if he will be really good or not.

Then Berlu and Fester splash the cash and land Mascherano.
Then i wake up.

[K77SH C]

GeoTav, the last big centre forward Barca used was Kluivert (Gudjonson, doesn't count as he was a sub), I think.

Flamini won't leave. The poor guy left Arsenal for trophies and found Galliani. He has stuck with us, despite not being trusted and has been a consumate professional. He has never complained and has just concentrated on his game. Now that Milan have reinforced the defence and look like reinforcing the attack, why would he leave.

All he has to say is 'NO'. We all know that Allegri can't leave him on the bench all season. Even Jankulovski and Oddo know they will get some games (Kaladze knows we have too many central defenders).

Robinio would be good, but only if Allegri is prepared to bench 1 big star.

Ibra, Pato, Ronaldhinio and Robinio won't work together.

[#3Forever]

Just the fact that we are DISCUSSING having too many star forwards makes me happy.

[Vulli]

Raiola: "The baby is almost born, we are eight months ..." :dielaugh:

[Sputnik]

Raiola: "The baby is almost born, we are eight months ..." :dielaugh:

:diablo:
that sounds sweet

[GeoTav]

I wonder who is the star of the mercato: Ibrahimovic, Galliani, or simply Raiola ...

By taking Ibrahimovic, I hope anyway that Raiola will stay far from our other players. This guy is an hungry wolf, and having some of his players in a team means you have a big team but also that you have to deal with a "money taker".

[mrki]

Lets just hope Milan will not sell Flamini for starts. Robinho wil not come now, Im sure, it would be too much.

Flamini and Boateng can add pace Brasiliero was talking about. The question is will they lčearn to play with head or only with feet...

Next year nho.1 priority is to find class midfielder and fb. Maybe someone young will arrive from non-eu place in the winter.

[M.O.I.]

galiani is doing riaola and ibra whatever he wants imo geo..

the thing is i dont get where all this "both ibra-binho" came from..there is no chance there will all 4 be starters more than the last 20 mns of a match going the wrong way..and roninho will not be an easy bencher(or whoever it is that wont play)..

ibra is a done deal as it seems the whole thing may end up in any hour,the biggest problem right now is not letting flamini,and i ve not read any news about that the whole day..

[Vulli]

Milannews.it
Raiola bluffs again: "Zlatan has not yet decided"
but everything is now done

[Jay Crisp]

Im treating the football news sites like a fridge when my parents used to go on holidays , I keep opening and closing them every 3 mins but theres still nothing there...lol , I'll wait 5 mins this time.

[Vulli]

Sandro Rosell, president of Barca, currently in Ibiza, should return to Barcelona with his private plane,he is been informed that agreement is reached between AC Milan and Ibrahimovic. The final closure of deal could come in the evening

[nefremo]

It's pretty much official. Ibrahimovic will play for Milan.

Raiola is full of sh!t. I can't believe what I'm reading from this guy LOL. He lies even more then Galliani and Berlu put together.:guw:

He goes to Barca's offices this morning (obviously about Ibra and his "golden handshake" :D), yet he tells reporters he is there for some insurance premiums. haha how does he come up with this crap. He already had a 2 hour meeting with Galliani for like the 3rd time in 2 days yet he is still talking about Ibra's decision..... which whatever it is.....he obviously is aware of it by now.

[Jim_UK]

If we do have Ibrahimovic (a big if) and if we then go for Robinho (an even bigger if), it will surely only be on loan.

I know Robinho turned down Fenerbache and i think a figure of about £16 million was quoted, but they only way we could get him would be on loan and if Man City pay 50% of his wages. I think that is actually possible.

Abraão, not sour grapes my friend but annoyed at people like Messi saying Liverpool should act humanely so Mascherano can go. I've no problems with him going, but it doesn't mean he should be given away for a bargain basement price because Barcelona don't want to pay what he's worth. It's the same with how they tried to get Fabregas, far too arrogant.

On another note mate, is Ganso injured? I'd love him to come here, sounds like he could be a natural successor to Kaka.

Geotav, do you know much about Debuchy? I think he's a right-back for Lille?

[Vulli]

Raiola has clarified the details of the agreement with AC Milan even though he denied having already achieved:
"The contract? Will be longer than two years and shorter then six...:5schal:

[Maltese Charlie]

Raiola: "The baby is almost born, we are eight months ..." :dielaugh:

Can he tell us at least if it is a boy or girl?
Cannot wait for another month till he's born.:ilol:

[Elmago99]

Can you imagine:

Buy Ibra, Robinho, Jucilei
Sell Flamini, Huntelaar, Ronaldinho

I think that's a Steal.. Yes I agree Fullbacks are needed, but that's simply a dangerous Team,, VERY DANGEROUS... That would make the Mercato surprisingly Perfect....

----------------Amelia--------------------
------------Nesta--T. Silva-------------------
Sokratis--------------------Antonini/Zambrotta
--KP-Boateng--Pirlo--Jucilei------------------
-------------------------------------------------
---------------Robinho-------------------------
--------------------------------------------------
----------Pato------Ibrahimovic----------------


Jucilei cost: €7-9 Million



I think think this is possible.. IF those three I mentioned get sold. I'd for sure do this...Robinho more versatile and younger than Ronaldinho

I'm so excited I may Piss myself

[Maltese Charlie]

Trouble between Ibra's agent and Barcellona.

[Maltese Charlie]

Barcellona may take legal actions against Raiola

[Bosniaco]

I just don't like Ibrahimovic, he never before wanted to come to Milan, chose to play for Merda before us, he has been Inter fan all his life (according to him )so fu.ck him. I want Robinho, even though I know what I want does not count. :)

And I also know that Ibra is a quality player and I mean quality, great player, great scorer,proven and all that. If he does come I will be happy when he scores for Milan but thats about it . :)

[sheva-gila]

braida is at milanello to talking to Allegri about selling Huntelaar to shalke 04

imo we gona sell Huntelar just for #11 !!!!

[Maltese Charlie]

© foto di Giacomo Morini Secondo quanto riportato da Luca Marchetti a Sky Sport 24, Kakhaber Kaladze, ormai in rotta totale con la Società rossonera, interesserebbe al Werder Brema, appena "sbarcata" ai gironi di Champions League. L'eventuale trasferimento del georgiano in Germania permetterebbe al Milan di liberarsi di un ingaggio pesante, anche senza ritorno economico dalla cessione del suo cartellino.

Hope this is true!

[Vulli]

As reported by Sky Sports 24 in case of transfer of Huntelaar, Ibrahimovic will wear the number 11 shirt

[Mordicai]

© foto di Giacomo Morini Secondo quanto riportato da Luca Marchetti a Sky Sport 24, Kakhaber Kaladze, ormai in rotta totale con la Società rossonera, interesserebbe al Werder Brema, appena "sbarcata" ai gironi di Champions League. L'eventuale trasferimento del georgiano in Germania permetterebbe al Milan di liberarsi di un ingaggio pesante, anche senza ritorno economico dalla cessione del suo cartellino.

Hope this is true!


LINK!!?? please

[brk]

I just don't like Ibrahimovic, he never before wanted to come to Milan, chose to play for Merda before us, he has been Inter fan all his life (according to him )so fu.ck him. I want Robinho, even though I know what I want does not count. :)

And I also know that Ibra is a quality player and I mean quality, great player, great scorer,proven and all that. If he does come I will be happy when he scores for Milan but thats about it . :)

Both Pato and Thiago Silva were about to sign for Inter before we snatched them. Got anything against them, too?

[Maltese Charlie]

[QUOTE=Mordicai;578520]LINK!!?? please[

it is on MilanNews

[Jay Crisp]

And Baggio played for Juve and Pippo and I don't care I'll scream my lungs out when Ibra scores against Inter it will be marvelous , I just wish now that I get to that OFFICIAL IBRAHIMOVIC SIGNS WITH AC MILAN quickly I am excited for this transfer and will be a happy Milanista.

[Bosniaco]

Both Pato and Thiago Silva were about to sign for Inter before we snatched them. Got anything against them, too?
Read my post again, and again please untill you do understand what I wrote.

Ibra is a Inter fan, didn't want to play for us before he chose Inter over us, why splash the money on him? I m sure for 40 mil we can get ****.en Torres if we wanted.

So for 40 mil you can really choose who you want and not a Interista.

[GeoTav]

And Baggio played for Juve and Pippo and I don't care I'll scream my lungs out when Ibra scores against Inter it will be marvelous , I just wish now that I get to that OFFICIAL IBRAHIMOVIC SIGNS WITH AC MILAN quickly I am excited for this transfer and will be a happy Milanista.

Wow, you're going to be happy and have even already become optimistic (you already hope for goals of Ibra :D), damn, you see what can happen with just one new player ?! :guw:

[GeoTav]

Read my post again, and again please untill you do understand what I wrote.

Ibra is a Inter fan, didn't want to play for us before he chose Inter over us, why splash the money on him? I m sure for 40 mil we can get ****.en Torres if we wanted.

So for 40 mil you can really choose who you want and not a Interista.

He's as much an Inter fan as a Barcelona fan ... I think his club is Ajax and then Juventus. Other clubs are choices of career.

And he had to come in Milan, he chose Milan at that time, he then went to Inter because we were also involved in the "what you know", and like it was the reason why he left Juventus, it would have made no sense for him to come in another punished club.

[Maltese Charlie]

He's as much an Inter fan as a Barcelona fan ... I think his club is Ajax and then Juventus. Other clubs are choices of career.

And he had to come in Milan, he chose Milan at that time, he then went to Inter because we were also involved in the "what you know", and like it was the reason why he left Juventus, it would have made no sense for him to come in another punished club.

He joined Inter because Milan were not sure about their place in champions league, so he refused to wait more till the end of the calciopoli verdict

Players are profesionals not Milanisti and Interisti.

[Jay Crisp]

Wow, you're going to be happy and have even already become optimistic (you already hope for goals of Ibra :D), damn, you see what can happen with just one new player ?! :guw:

Geo ive been mellow for months , and im always happy , but it will be good for the team and the club.

[GeoTav]

He joined Inter because Milan were not sure about their place in champions league, so he refused to wait more till the end of the calciopoli verdict

Players are profesionals not Milanisti and Interisti.

Exactly, and the few Rossoneri or Nerazurri for example who say in medias their preference rarely manage to come in their favorite club in their career ... for some reason (not the required level, or other choices of career, money, etc).

[Aficio]

Geo ive been mellow for months , and im always happy , but it will be good for the team and the club.


It is good to see you like that, mate :D

[Bender]

Milan had a couple of dark years, its funny how a single player can change that

i like ibra, but he's fails in BIG games

[Bosniaco]

Milan had a couple of dark years, its funny how a single player can change that

i like ibra, but he's fails in BIG games

Yes he does, Maldini always had him in his pocket. :)


Il Capitano !!!!!!! :3band::3band:

[Jay Crisp]

Ibra will destroy small teams , and people keep saying that he fails in big games but when he was at Juve there whole team failed in big games Im talking CL games , same at Inter the whole team choked at big games and Sweden he hasnt really been in a big game (no disrespect) so until he fails in a big game for Milan forget about the past.In derby games and when Inter needed to win some important games he was there , so judging his whole career on about 8 CL games is unfair.

[Xudong]

if he comes don't give him that no.11 jersey. in fact, milan should burn that number for good.

[mzk57]

Very disappointing to see ACM fans cheering for the arrival of an ex-rival player :5milan: Instead of wasting money on him (or Robinho), why not spend it on bringing RVDV, Jao Motino, G.Rossi and the Portugal NT LB

[M.O.I.]

Yes he does, Maldini always had him in his pocket. :)


Il Capitano !!!!!!! :3band::3band:

actually it was always nesta on him..

and as you know nesta has everyobody on his pocket..:1ole:

[hitmannq8]

Brasiliero, there is ONE Brazilian player I have been following for 2 years.... I think he is my favourite midfielder in Europe. He his absolutely amazing and I would love Milan to replace Pirlo with this guy, I think he is also better than Jucilei.

His name is Fernando Reges, he plays for Porto.

Take a look, he's absolutely amazing, he never stops running, he has the defensive style of Nesta, game-reading of Maldini, and effort like Flamini:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1M5xakBlMw

[Nalx]

Poor Merda just lost against Atletico Madrid. Can't wait to see other "achievement" by Benitez this season.

[Brasileiro]

If we do have Ibrahimovic (a big if) and if we then go for Robinho (an even bigger if), it will surely only be on loan.

I know Robinho turned down Fenerbache and i think a figure of about £16 million was quoted, but they only way we could get him would be on loan and if Man City pay 50% of his wages. I think that is actually possible.

Abraão, not sour grapes my friend but annoyed at people like Messi saying Liverpool should act humanely so Mascherano can go. I've no problems with him going, but it doesn't mean he should be given away for a bargain basement price because Barcelona don't want to pay what he's worth. It's the same with how they tried to get Fabregas, far too arrogant.

On another note mate, is Ganso injured? I'd love him to come here, sounds like he could be a natural successor to Kaka.

Jim, I was just joking with you:)

Regarding Messi comments, welcome to Spanish clubs/fans/press world, my friend. They think they're the best and that everyone need to bow to them. We Brazilians are used to face that type of arrogance...

Yep, Ganso is serious injured... Shame, since the kid was starting to take a leadership role in Brazil NT. He will be out 6 months. Ganso and Giuliano are different type of players(great, since both can play together for Brazil), but that I love to see as Kaka successor...
As reported by Sky Sports 24 in case of transfer of Huntelaar, Ibrahimovic will wear the number 11 shirt
Just thanks for the several news youŕe posting here, Vulli... Keep the good work! MOAR!!!Lol
Brasiliero, there is ONE Brazilian player I have been following for 2 years.... I think he is my favourite midfielder in Europe. He his absolutely amazing and I would love Milan to replace Pirlo with this guy, I think he is also better than Jucilei.

His name is Fernando Reges, he plays for Porto.

Take a look, he's absolutely amazing, he never stops running, he has the defensive style of Nesta, game-reading of Maldini, and effort like Flamini:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1M5xakBlMw
I know Fernando very well... But here we will disagree.

I don't think he can be good on Pirlo role, and also do think he's better than Jucilei. Plus, he also can't beat Arouca.

But like I said, it's just a opinion...

[ACMILAN1983]

Honestly what's with all this rubbish about Ibra being ex-Inter or an Inter fan?

Ibra is an ex Inter player, but so were Pirlo and Seedorf, as well as Ronaldo. Baggio before he came played for Juve, another rival.

Same goes for this rubbish about Ibra being an Interisti. Baresi before joining Milan had a trial for Inter wanting to play with his brother and was rejected. Maldini is a self confessed Juve fan before he came to Milan, so much so he had posters of Juve players on his wall as a kid. Ibra, as far as I remember supported Inter because Ronaldo was his hero, and if he comes to Milan, then who cares as long as he helps our club.

[Aficio]

Milan had a couple of dark years, its funny how a single player can change that

i like ibra, but he's fails in BIG games


But he shines in small games :D

If Pato & Dinho shines in big games, there will be no problem.

Henry's only played well in small games, but Arsenal has no player at his class who can lift the team (Fab was too young then).

Inter in Mancini's day has no player who can do special things like Ibra. Maicon was just a RB.


Very disappointing to see ACM fans cheering for the arrival of an ex-rival player :5milan: Instead of wasting money on him (or Robinho), why not spend it on bringing RVDV, Jao Motino, G.Rossi and the Portugal NT LB


Long time no see. How have you been? :D

[brk]

Honestly what's with all this rubbish about Ibra being ex-Inter or an Inter fan?

Ibra is an ex Inter player, but so were Pirlo and Seedorf, as well as Ronaldo. Baggio before he came played for Juve, another rival.

Same goes for this rubbish about Ibra being an Interisti. Baresi before joining Milan had a trial for Inter wanting to play with his brother and was rejected. Maldini is a self confessed Juve fan before he came to Milan, so much so he had posters of Juve players on his wall as a kid. Ibra, as far as I remember supported Inter because Ronaldo was his hero, and if he comes to Milan, then who cares as long as he helps our club.

Right on.

I read somewhere that maybe Ibra and Pato can sort of switch positions on the field to pull defenders apart. Ibra played pretty wide against us last week and made space for Villa to exploit. I hope Pato and him can find some understanding on how to do that. Man, this trio can really do some damage...

[Dr Milano]

:5schal: This is what ive been waiting for !!!

IBRAHIMOVIC SIGNS FOR MILAN :5schal::5schal: HELL YEAH :devf::devf:

Scudetto's baby one after one please :diablo:

guys i cannot believe our management decided to invest 40 million albeit over a few seasons in our team and

BERLU KEPT HIS PROMISE ABOUT A CHAMPION

FORZA BERLU FORZA MILAN FORZA IBRA

[devoted_dm]

:5schal: This is what ive been waiting for !!!

IBRAHIMOVIC SIGNS FOR MILAN :5schal::5schal: HELL YEAH :devf::devf:

Scudetto's baby one after one please :diablo:

guys i cannot believe our management decided to invest 40 million albeit over a few seasons in our team and

BERLU KEPT HIS PROMISE ABOUT A CHAMPION

FORZA BERLU FORZA MILAN FORZA IBRA

Is it official now, or are you just happy? lol

[sheva-gila]

me too I thought its official

I dont think that thay will anounnce in midnaight

[Aficio]

Is it official now, or are you just happy? lol


The negotiation was completed, but it is already late at night, so official anouncement will be tomorow. As milannews.it

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&sl=it&u=http://www.milannews.it/%3Faction%3Dread%26idnotizia%3D32978&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dmilannews%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1C1CHMA_en-GBAU360AU362&rurl=translate.google.com&twu=1&usg=ALkJrhij3yUD25M0vFS0muRYTX53coFuOA

[Reza]

Question...how much is Flamini really earning in salary?

[Samaldinho]

Maybe I'm mistaken, but, it seems that one of the latest developments has been Milan's ability to pull the price down to 30 million?

If this is true, it explains why Milan would go after Ibra instead of Dzeko, as Wolfsburg are clearly a rather strict club and seeing how Dzeko has reacted, quite the two-faced group.

If Dzeko was only going to be let go from Wolfsburg for 40 million, and Ibra comes at 30, how does that change people's minds? I think Ibra's commercial value, as far as visibility and marketing go, is another big reason why Berlu likes him.

Though, it'd be pretty awesome that when Ibra's contract runs out, we sign Dzeko on a free to replace him.

[Xudong]

I hated Ibrahimovic, but I promise that I will not curse him anymore. :D I believe it is official right? :D

And I think he will bring much to this team. I don't care that he is a small-game player. You have to win some small games first before you could even have a chance to play big games.

Dzeko still remains a dream for me. Maybe January. :)

[Xudong]

Maybe I'm mistaken, but, it seems that one of the latest developments has been Milan's ability to pull the price down to 30 million?

If this is true, it explains why Milan would go after Ibra instead of Dzeko, as Wolfsburg are clearly a rather strict club and seeing how Dzeko has reacted, quite the two-faced group.

If Dzeko was only going to be let go from Wolfsburg for 40 million, and Ibra comes at 30, how does that change people's minds? I think Ibra's commercial value, as far as visibility and marketing go, is another big reason why Berlu likes him.

Though, it'd be pretty awesome that when Ibra's contract runs out, we sign Dzeko on a free to replace him.

I have also heard about that. Hope it is true.

And Wolfsburg is just an @$$hole. I don't think that they would even let Dzeko go at 40 million.

[Bender]

00:38 - According to Sky, there was a surge in talks to Ibra. AC Milan is pulling on the price and 40 million is possible that the price drops to 30. If that should be, Milan Ibra would take less than half what it paid for the Barecellona passt season.

23:50 - The meeting, probably decisive, including Adriano Galliani, Mino Raiola and Sandro Rosell, president of Barcelona, is set for tomorrow at 16:30.

23:42 - Ibra The formula of the transaction provide for a loan obligation to redeem the tag of the player. No economic outlay, therefore, for the season 2010/2011, the following year would be paid in installments 40 million agreed with Barcelona. (google translate

So it will be a load deal after all, and with an option to buy for 30M, thats sweet

[Filipéz 182]

So we will buy Ibrahimovic, wich is a VERY good transfer in my book, at least if you look at the players quality only. I dont think anyone can say he is worse than dzeko, robinho or fabiano or any other striker we were linked with. yes he is 29yo but he still has 3/4/5 good years in him. his quality is his technique and you dont loose that with getting older. he does not rely on speed or anything, so I think he will be huge for us! :)

On the other hand, and really , this is something i worry about, his wage is sky high!!! And werent we cutting the wage budget? (english?) I thought our wage budget had to go down, now I'm affraid other players (dinho? Pato?) will want to earn as much as zlatan. This tranfer is a big blow for our wage budget. any thoughts?


I missed almost the whole transfer news today becouse of work. can someone tell me if there is any news about hunter and / or flamini leaving? I would hate to see flamini leaving, If that is the case I would be against zlatan transfer, we need flamini in midfield as it is already not that strong. and he is the future of our midfield. :)

[Sputnik]

I hated Ibrahimovic, but I promise that I will not curse him anymore. :D I believe it is official right? :D

And I think he will bring much to this team. I don't care that he is a small-game player. You have to win some small games first before you could even have a chance to play big games.

Dzeko still remains a dream for me. Maybe January. :)

I am not having a go at you but i really can't understand the verdict that Ibra is a small game player.
How do people define small games and big games?
Big games = CL? He has some great moments there.
National team? He is the best thing Sweden has to offer.
Small games = Serie A? Like vs Parma the last league match of 07-08 when he returned from an injury and scored twice to give Inter the title?

Also, about Dzeko.
Is he a player for "big games"?
Is he better than Ibra at the moment?
Just because he is younger? Or because he says he is a rossonero?

I don't know. I ve never really watched more than 15 full games of him playing.

[hitmannq8]

First it was 40m euro, then 30m Euro, now Milannews reports it's between 25 - 30m Euro, if thats true my god Galliani can be so good when given the right tools to work with.. Galliani is so World Class when it comes to negotiating :D

I did really like Dzeko, but unfortunately with Ibra arriving we have shut the door down on Dzeko's face. It does not look like he would come here in the near future (unless Ibra has a career-ending injury this year). I don't know what's going on with Robinho, it would be wise to conclude that deal now as well as he will not be available for the same price ever again, and Ronaldinho's deal expires in a year.

We also have no idea what to expect from Mondelongo, our new right back. Uruguayans seem to say he is nothing special at all, just like Cardacio and Grimi.

[#3Forever]

News-
Werder Bremen shows interest in Kaladze
Inter shows interest in Dos Santos
Bocchetti close to Rubin Kazan move

[Sputnik]

News-
Werder Bremen shows interest in Kaladze
Inter shows interest in Dos Santos
Bocchetti close to Rubin Kazan move

god almighty...:dcool:

[Ryo]

News-
Werder Bremen shows interest in Kaladze
Inter shows interest in Dos Santos
Bocchetti close to Rubin Kazan move

God Almighty indeed:dcool:
Next one I want to see is: Milan sign Robinho, Allegri says "No one leaves"

[hitmannq8]

Bremen are already getting Silvestre so that Kaladze thing will be staying a bit longer.....

Bocchetti to Rubin Kazan for 11m euro, I mean, who wouldn't sell for that price?

[Xudong]

I am not having a go at you but i really can't understand the verdict that Ibra is a small game player.
How do people define small games and big games?
Big games = CL? He has some great moments there.
National team? He is the best thing Sweden has to offer.
Small games = Serie A? Like vs Parma the last league match of 07-08 when he returned from an injury and scored twice to give Inter the title?

Also, about Dzeko.
Is he a player for "big games"?
Is he better than Ibra at the moment?
Just because he is younger? Or because he says he is a rossonero?

I don't know. I ve never really watched more than 15 full games of him playing.

I hated Ibrahimovic as he was a prick which has nothing to do with him being ex-Inter or ex-Juve. I hope that Nesta and he will get along. :) I liked (still do) Dzeko as he is young and useful (and yes, I know that Ibra is Serie A proven), and more importantly as you pointed out, he is a Milan fan which I happen to value a lot. It is all just my personal feeling though. I always felt that he could become the next MvB or next Shevchenko, but I am no expert and he may flop like Huntelaar or Gilardino, but at this moment I wouldn't know and I still want him.

as for 'big game' 'small game' argument, what I meant to say was "I don't care if he was a small-game player." It was in response to some claim that he was a choker (which by the way I neither agree nor disagree), since I believe that he will for sure bring Milan up to a higher level. You probably could tell that from the overall positive tone of mine in that particular paragraph, but sorry for the misuse of words.

My philosophy has been simple. Ibra might remain a prick but the minute he dons Milan jersey, he will have all my support. So he is good now. :bright:

[Sputnik]

I hated Ibrahimovic as he was a prick which has nothing to do with him being ex-Inter or ex-Juve. I hope that Nesta and he will get along. :) I liked (still do) Dzeko as he is young and useful (and yes, I know that Ibra is Serie A proven), and more importantly as you pointed out, he is a Milan fan which I happen to value a lot. It is all just my personal feeling though. I always felt that he could become the next MvB or next Shevchenko, but I am no expert and he may flop like Huntelaar or Gilardino, but at this moment I wouldn't know and I still want him.

as for 'big game' 'small game' argument, what I meant to say was "I don't care if he was a small-game player." It was in response to some claim that he was a choker (which by the way I neither agree nor disagree), since I believe that he will for sure bring Milan up to a higher level. You probably could tell that from the overall positive tone of mine in that particular paragraph, but sorry for the misuse of words.

My philosophy has been simple. Ibra might remain a prick but the minute he dons Milan jersey, he will have all my support. So he is good now. :bright:

It's OK man, you dont have to say sorry, we re just discussing here :devs:

I also like Dzeko but still i prefer Ibra.
Being a Milan supporter is a plus i like in players we sign but it should be just a plus. Not a requirement nor a reason for a signing.

[Gabriel489]

This is not just one signing Geo, this is the sort of signing MIlan should be doing every few years.
The last time Milan sign someone at Ibra status in Nesta, they won the CL right away.

[rosoneri_11]

it is so simple......
Ibrahimovic--------- world class striker------proven class---he is unique
Dzeko-------still a promissing striker like many others--------

we signed the best option....we cant continue buy promising strikers at the moment like Oliveira,Gilardino,Huntelaar spending moneys in rubbish.
We need a world class player.......

[#3Forever]

it is so simple......
Ibrahimovic--------- world class striker------proven class---he is unique
Dzeko-------still a promissing striker like many others--------

we signed the best option....we cant continue buy promising strikers at the moment like Oliveira,Gilardino,Huntelaar spending moneys in rubbish.
We need a world class player.......

I agree completely. Its about time we stop taking risks on young players. We can't be spending money on unproven "stars". We need to be a Real Madrid club, a Manchester City club. Where we sign stars

[Sputnik]

This is not just one signing Geo, this is the sort of signing MIlan should be doing every few years.
The last time Milan sign someone at Ibra status in Nesta, they won the CL right away.

Totally agree. Its a Nesta type of a signing. Maybe even bigger cause Ibra is a striker. You also can feel it when you see the number of members online in MM these last days...:diablo:

[GeoTav]

http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/milan/?action=read&idnet=bWlsYW5uZXdzLml0LTMyOTc5

In this article, they report that Galliani managed to make the price decrease: instead of 40M, it will be a loan with an option (but actually, an option we're not allowed to refuse) and we should pay between 25 and 30M in some installments.

I just have something to say if it is confirmed: perfect.

And I just think about something: Raiola is the agent of Balotelli. He played a big part in the sale of Balotelli to Manchester City (it's him who started to talk about the possible move). Who knows, he will maybe clash with Manchester City next season to send us Balotelli ? :D

[Bosniaco]

What are you guys talking about taking risk on young players, our squad has been with the old avrage age for years now.... :) :)

[Gabriel489]

http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/milan/?action=read&idnet=bWlsYW5uZXdzLml0LTMyOTc5

In this article, they report that Galliani managed to make the price decrease: instead of 40M, it will be a loan with an option (but actually, an option we're not allowed to refuse) and we should pay between 25 and 30M in some installments.

I just have something to say if it is confirmed: perfect.

And I just think about something: Raiola is the agent of Balotelli. He played a big part in the sale of Balotelli to Manchester City (it's him who started to talk about the possible move). Who knows, he will maybe clash with Manchester City next season to send us Balotelli ? :D

ISn't Pato agent also Raiola.
Anyhow, even 40mil for Ibra is a bargain at this point.

[Sputnik]

http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/milan/?action=read&idnet=bWlsYW5uZXdzLml0LTMyOTc5

In this article, they report that Galliani managed to make the price decrease: instead of 40M, it will be a loan with an option (but actually, an option we're not allowed to refuse) and we should pay between 25 and 30M in some installments.

I just have something to say if it is confirmed: perfect.

And I just think about something: Raiola is the agent of Balotelli. He played a big part in the sale of Balotelli to Manchester City (it's him who started to talk about the possible move). Who knows, he will maybe clash with Manchester City next season to send us Balotelli ? :D


I was trying to make that deal for so long in Football Manager but Barcelona were greedy bastards, excuse my French. :grinser:

[Aficio]

http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/milan/?action=read&idnet=bWlsYW5uZXdzLml0LTMyOTc5

In this article, they report that Galliani managed to make the price decrease: instead of 40M, it will be a loan with an option (but actually, an option we're not allowed to refuse) and we should pay between 25 and 30M in some installments.

I just have something to say if it is confirmed: perfect.

And I just think about something: Raiola is the agent of Balotelli. He played a big part in the sale of Balotelli to Manchester City (it's him who started to talk about the possible move). Who knows, he will maybe clash with Manchester City next season to send us Balotelli ? :D


Class.

And the wage is about 8-8.5M. Very good indeed. A bit of wage inflation is needed to win something, we are not Arsenal.

I think Man City has a clause that they can't sell Balotteli to Milan (or Serie A clubs). Good work, Raiola, the more transfers, the more he earns.


ISn't Pato agent also Raiola.
Anyhow, even 40mil for Ibra is a bargain at this point.


No, feel safe, mate. He is Gilmar Velos, same agent for: Emerson :D, Geovani,...

http://www.transfermarkt.de/en/veloz-gilmar-isaias-jara/details/berater_256.html

[Aficio]

I was trying to make that deal for so long in Football Manager but Barcelona were greedy bastards, excuse my French. :grinser:


Haha, I can't wait for new FM :D

[hitmannq8]

I have read a very interesting post in another forum and I decided to quote it and bring it here.


I’ve been holding off on posting this until the deal’s made official, but **** it. I apologise for the self-indulgent length, but if I didn’t explain my worries about the signing in detail I would just be dismissed as a hater. I probably still will be, if anyone actually bothers to read it. Anyway…

Ronaldinho-Ibrahimovic-Pato looks terrifyingly good on paper, but I have serious concerns about whether Milan can get the best out of the three of them, both as individuals and as a unit. A lot will depend on the shape they adopt.

The front three was the compromise Leonardo arrived at last season in trying to get the most out of the forwards available to him, and he probably got it right. Ronaldinho made enough of a contribution from his favoured position on the left to justify the marginalising of Pato, who still managed a respectable goal tally.

However, that was with Borriello. Leonardo's system worked because the pretty boy played ugly as the workhorse of the front three; providing constant movement, occupying the centre backs and busting a gut to get on the end of Ronaldinho's crosses. These are essentially the same things Guardiola wanted Ibrahimovic to do for him at Barca, and that, for me, is precisely why he struggled there. The camel-faced one doesn't want to be a penalty box striker, and he certainly doesn't want to do any Borriello-style thankless running.

One of my personal obsessions, particularly with regard to Milan over the past few seasons, is the balance between passers and receivers, creators and runners. Borriello is a runner. Eto'o was a vital runner in Barca's system, and his replacement with the more static Ibrahimovic appeared to hinder them last season. I’m worried that Zlatan’s arrival may have a similar effect on Milan. There has to be a possibility that it could create an imbalance between creators and runners.

In order to redress that imbalance, Ibrahimovic could be told to play as a more orthodox striker, and he would more than likely get a very healthy number of goals (which would of course lead to people telling me I’m an idiot). For me, though, if you limit him to that, you're not really getting Ibrahimovic – you’re just getting a good goalscorer instead of a complete striker and a genius. I want to see the genius.

So, coming back to the subject of Milan’s shape, my fear is that a front three similar to that of last season would restrict all three star forwards: Ronaldinho would lack an ever-present target for his crosses, Ibrahimovic would be restricted and Pato sidelined.

The other obvious option is to play Ronaldinho in a central role behind an orthodox front two of Ibrahimovic and Pato. This is probably my favoured option, as I think the latter two would both benefit hugely from playing close together, with Pato feeding off Ibrahimovic’s lay-offs, knock-downs and through-balls. Potentially the best front two on the planet, to my mind. The problem is, of course, that Ronaldinho simply is not the same creative force when used as a trequartista as he is on the left.

I’m probably coming across as a negative bastard here. Ibrahimovic is a fantastic player and an impressive signing. I’m just not yet convinced that he’s the right signing. The potential is undoubtedly there though, and this will be a huge test of Allegri’s ability.

Very interesting what he has to say and I'm afraid I have also thought about this before. Ronaldinho's inversatility can ruin Ibra and Pato's roles next year.

[Elo]

Ibrahimovic will greatly improve Milan, when building attacks, having the ball, assisting and by scoring goals. You simply always need 2 players to keep him or Pato in control, add Dinho and Pirlo creativity, which makes it almost impossible for teams to not concede goals, unluckily for Milan, Inter is one of those teams that can play a certain way. The main problem of the team is the fullbacks, they are not good enough and the midfield options are somewhat too old bar Flamini and Boateng who let´s face it both are not that good at all. With this all said I think Milan will be challenging Roma and Juve for second spot and end up getting that second spot.

[K77SH C]

This is not just one signing Geo, this is the sort of signing MIlan should be doing every few years.
The last time Milan sign someone at Ibra status in Nesta, they won the CL right away.

This isn't a Nesta type signing.

Not because Zlatan isn't as good as Nesta was when we signed him, but because the year before we bought Nesta we signed Inzaghi, Rui Costa and Pirlo.

While Nesta's contribution was unquestionable, it was the goals of Inzaghi and the creativity of Costa and Pirlo (forged the season before) added to the quality of Shevchenko, Maldini, Gatusso, Albertini, Kaladze (he was good then) and Serghinio that we won the CL.

So, signing Ibrahimavich is a good, it is not built on the foundations that Nesta's was. CL is far away.

[K77SH C]

Hitman, that post is interesting, but not accurate. Leonardo's system didn't work, contrary to that post adn Boriello might have put in the donkey work, but we needed him to score the chances he missed. I'm sure Leo would have loved having him as the focal point of his attack.

On Ronnie, he has lost weight, more of his assists will be converted and hopefully Pato can do more of what he did to Real last season. And any prediction of how Milan will perform this season needs to consider the defence. Its much improved. This means the midfield can play woth more confidence. We will be okay.

[Bosniaco]

Even thought I dont like Ibrahimovic (by the way he should have played for Bosnia because his father is Bosnian) he will be a great boot of moral and confidance for our team.

[slifersd]

In regards to the question of whether the three of our strikers can play together, I think it is very important to remember one thing: when superstars play together, all of them have to sacrifice a little to make it work. That means, Ibra, Pato and Ronaldinho won't be the world beaters by themselves but rather do a little less each to forge a great unit. Its like with Team USA in the Beijing Olympics. Kobe, LeBron James and Wade didn't try to beat the other team single handedly like they usually did with their own NBA team. Instead, they all took on a smaller role and focused on other aspects of the game other than simply scoring to make the team work better. That is how superstars work together.

[Aficio]

In regards to the question of whether the three of our strikers can play together, I think it is very important to remember one thing: when superstars play together, all of them have to sacrifice a little to make it work. That means, Ibra, Pato and Ronaldinho won't be the world beaters by themselves but rather do a little less each to forge a great unit. Its like with Team USA in the Beijing Olympics. Kobe, LeBron James and Wade didn't try to beat the other team single handedly like they usually did with their own NBA team. Instead, they all took on a smaller role and focused on other aspects of the game other than simply scoring to make the team work better. That is how superstars work together.


That's right.

But I think the sacrifice could not be painful.

Dinho did all the creating job last year thanks to the lack of good players upfront.

Now with Ibra and more movement from mids, he has less burden and could take on the defense with his lighter body :D

Kaka is an ACM, but Ibra is a second forward with big body, there will be not much collision.

[slifersd]

That's right.

But I think the sacrifice could not be painful.

Dinho did all the creating job last year thanks to the lack of good players upfront.

Now with Ibra and more movement from mids, he has less burden and could take on the defense with his lighter body :D

Kaka is an ACM, but Ibra is a second forward with big body, there will be not much collision.


I never said sacrifice has to be painful. Not having to carry the whole damn team on your own shoulder is actually a pretty nice feeling. Kobe would be the first one to tell you that.

BTW, in your last sentence, where did Kaka come from?

[Aficio]

I never said sacrifice has to be painful. Not having to carry the whole damn team on your own shoulder is actually a pretty nice feeling. Kobe would be the first one to tell you that.

BTW, in your last sentence, where did Kaka come from?


I didn't mean to give an opposite idea, but an addition one. Sacrifice could be good :D

2 years ago there was collision between Kaka & Dinho, but I don't think the same will happen between Ibra & Dinho.

[slifersd]

I didn't mean to give an opposite idea, but an addition one. Sacrifice could be good :D

2 years ago there was collision between Kaka & Dinho, but I don't think the same will happen between Ibra & Dinho.


Understood, friend.

BTW, am I the only one who think that Kaka could come back to Milan next summer or the summer after next? It just seems like he is not going to work out for RM and would be on the look out to restore his former glory. I think the Ronaldinho replacement could actually be Kaka, the guy Ronaldinho replaced. How funny would that be!

[Aficio]

Understood, friend.

BTW, am I the only one who think that Kaka could come back to Milan next summer or the summer after next? It just seems like he is not going to work out for RM and would be on the look out to restore his former glory. I think the Ronaldinho replacement could actually be Kaka, the guy Ronaldinho replaced. How funny would that be!


If Kaka is good enough, Real will not sell him, and if not, he'll really be another Sheva, IMO.

If Ibra comes and form a deadly striking force with Dinho & Pato, the n80 will get his contract extended with pay cut.

However, only future could tell.

[Maltese Charlie]

Understood, friend.

BTW, am I the only one who think that Kaka could come back to Milan next summer or the summer after next? It just seems like he is not going to work out for RM and would be on the look out to restore his former glory. I think the Ronaldinho replacement could actually be Kaka, the guy Ronaldinho replaced. How funny would that be!

I don't think so.

Players like Kaka who use speed as their best weapon declines quicker than the rest, especially if they are crusified with injuries.
A 30 year old Kaka will be a normal player.

[Mordicai]

:3band::3band::3band::3band::3band::3band::3band::3band:

UNCLE FESTER!!!!!

:djn:

Seriously how the hell did he pull this off?!

REAL MADRID MAN CTY GTFO! this is how you do a TRANSFER! lol

GJ Galliani!

I feel sorry for Barca actually because they are getting absolutely screwed in this deal,Sandro Rosell is a corporate lightweight and not suited for the top job.

[slifersd]

I am not saying that Kaka would be the good old Kaka but rather we will still bring him back for sentimental values. Let's face it, if Kaka drops his wages, then Berlusconi would welcome him back with open arms. I just think that he is going to come back in the near future. Not because he is good enough to come back and lead this team again but rather thats just how this team operates.

[Maltese Charlie]

According La Gazzetta delo sport, Ibrahimovic is the most expensive player Milan had ever bought. A package of 102 million.
30 million for Barca and 72million gross wages on 4 years.

Although Rui Costa cost 40 million, he had less wage so Ibrahimovic is the most expensive.

[Aficio]

According La Gazzetta delo sport, Ibrahimovic is the most expensive player Milan had ever bought. A package of 102 million.
30 million for Barca and 72million gross wages on 4 years.

Although Rui Costa cost 40 million, he had less wage so Ibrahimovic is the most expensive.


Maybe after a trebe with Milan this season, Man City will buy him for 50M or even exchange Balotteli :D

Who know :sagrin:

[Samaldinho]

Carmona Adria, our new youth product, has two videos. One is about him and this defender, Samuel Perez (who is an excellent young defender, I must say) and then there is this one. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EI6pYo2nfsY)

[Maltese Charlie]

Very Soon!!!!!!
On this forum!!!!!

Many members will curse Galliani!!!!!!!!!!:guw:

On Milannews: Huntelaar, Kaladze and Flamini on their way out of Miilan.

[Aficio]

Very Soon!!!!!!
On this forum!!!!!

Many members will curse Galliani!!!!!!!!!!:guw:

On Milannews: Huntelaar, Kaladze and Flamini on their way out of Miilan.


What a pair of fast legs :D

The annoying must go.

I want more chance for both Hunter & Flamini but the fact is they are just one dimensional player. Good luck for them.

[bijon]

According La Gazzetta delo sport, Ibrahimovic is the most expensive player Milan had ever bought. A package of 102 million.
30 million for Barca and 72million gross wages on 4 years.

Although Rui Costa cost 40 million, he had less wage so Ibrahimovic is the most expensive.
As much as I like Ibrahimovic, I think this is a poor decision by our management, especially since they are always complaining about a lack of funds. This money could be better spent getting 3 good players, like VDV, marcelo and robinho.

What would happen if we got him and a week later he gets a serious injury that puts him out for a year? stupid decision making.

[Maltese Charlie]

As much as I like Ibrahimovic, I think this is a poor decision by our management, especially since they are always complaining about a lack of funds. This money could be better spent getting 3 good players, like VDV, marcelo and robinho.

What would happen if we got him and a week later he gets a serious injury that puts him out for a year? stupid decision making.

I don't think that Flamini will leave. He is in Allegri's plan, so he only leaves if Milan has a replacement for him.
But lets face it, it is a temptation for the management. Lyon are offering 15 million and the player has a wage of 6.5 million NET. (although my impression is 5.5)

On the other 2 I agree if they leave.

[Dr Milano]

The only player im gonna be bitter about is flamini tbf cant we just sell gattuso instead ? or offload janku oddo kaladze and zambrotta - that should get abit of money in to say the least

but im not gonna lose sleep over seeing flamini go as long as ibra is banging the goals in an winning the scudetto for us

[Maltese Charlie]

The only player im gonna be bitter about is flamini tbf cant we just sell gattuso instead ? or offload janku oddo kaladze and zambrotta - that should get abit of money in to say the least

but im not gonna lose sleep over seeing flamini go as long as ibra is banging the goals in an winning the scudetto for us

The only reason to think to sell Flamini is his market price and his very high wage. In all the names you mentioned these 2 things are not there.

[ACMILAN1983]

Right on.

I read somewhere that maybe Ibra and Pato can sort of switch positions on the field to pull defenders apart. Ibra played pretty wide against us last week and made space for Villa to exploit. I hope Pato and him can find some understanding on how to do that. Man, this trio can really do some damage...

Ibra naturally moves all over the final third, as can Pato as you say, so it should be interesting how they work with each other. I actually think the weakest part of the trio could be Dinho, which is ironic as he's quite possibly the best on the ball of the three too.


I am not having a go at you but i really can't understand the verdict that Ibra is a small game player.
How do people define small games and big games?
Big games = CL? He has some great moments there.
National team? He is the best thing Sweden has to offer.
Small games = Serie A? Like vs Parma the last league match of 07-08 when he returned from an injury and scored twice to give Inter the title?

Also, about Dzeko.
Is he a player for "big games"?
Is he better than Ibra at the moment?
Just because he is younger? Or because he says he is a rossonero?

I don't know. I ve never really watched more than 15 full games of him playing.

Ibra's a big game player imo, but I think before last season Inter had collective problems, which is why they always failed in CL. The players themselves last admitted they believed more in success through last season and there was mental resolve which wasn't seen in previous years.

I hated Ibrahimovic as he was a prick

I think over the years Ibra's mellowed a lot tbh. In the right environments, I also think he's been ok, as was seen in Barca last season where he never seemed to have any problems.

I have read a very interesting post in another forum and I decided to quote it and bring it here.

Very interesting what he has to say and I'm afraid I have also thought about this before. Ronaldinho's inversatility can ruin Ibra and Pato's roles next year.

It's very well written and some interesting arguments are put there. I don't completely agree though as while Borriello is a runner and will work hard for the team, Ibra isn't static and has always had good movement. I also think Ibra's movement off the ball is better than Borriello, which together with his quality should be more beneficial to our team than Borriello is.

[brk]

At the very least, we now have a player that can blast in free kicks with power...

[Maltese Charlie]

Looks like the deal will not be reached today, as Barca didn't accept the request for the golden handshake of Raiola.

[Mordicai]

At the very least, we now have a player that can blast in free kicks with power...

Pato can already do that,just doesn't get much of a chance since R80 and Pirlo are ahead oh him.


Hope Ibra doesn't flop,he does go invisible some games.

[Vulli]

The French midfielder Mathieu Flamini has no intention of leaving AC Milan. The newspaper L'Equipe, in its online edition, contains statements of a lawyer of the player: "He wants to stay " said the lawyer.

[Vulli]

According to rumors, it seems that Barcelona, could make an additional discount on the price tag at Milan down to 25 million

[Filipéz 182]

25m would be a steal!! Huntelaar may leave then, and if flamini stays I'm quite optimistic for next season!!
Make it official please :D