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Warro Bantan
05-06-2008, 11:47
Ok, on the Adebayor issue...hmmm dunno...would rather Gomez...but at the end of the day, I just want a guaranteed 20+ goal a season player.
Thats about it.
Difference between Seedorf and Dinho's bad year: Dinho was injured - Seedorf wasn't. Plus at his age, it is perfectly logical to assume Seedorf's deteriorating form will continue in the future while Dinho at 28 can (and likely will) bounce back.
no actually, I think Seedorf had a good season.. and yes, if you missed it, Seedorf was injured for about 5 matches, so was Gattuso and Kaka, and also Pato...
when he played vs Roma, he was one of the best players on the pitch, and he was rushed into playing.....
and btw, if you look at our form this season, its probably because most of our players were either injured, or suspended...(and yea, they kinda lost motivation)
in the last 5 matches, no no, in the last 10 matches, when the players kinda stopped getting injured, we almost won all of them... only the Atalanta and Sampdoria match I would put as total failure...
as for the Dinho part, when he was fit, he was on bench... he was injured yes, but he wasnt a starter anyway.
Seedorf is 31(?), yes thats "old" but then again, age isnt related in anyway to the player's performance...
biggest (italian) examples:
Nesta(32?), Cannavaro(34),Del Piero(32+?), Pannuci(34?), Maldini(39)
just please, stop using the "he's old, he cant play" theory, its simply the worst theory in the history of football...
hitmannq8
05-06-2008, 12:10
I dont know why many are against the Ronaldinho move, I think he will work wonders here. I'm all for Dinho at any price below 25m euro. Adebayor? I wouldn't sign him if he was for 10m to be honest, he is not what we need. If we are looking for a tall strong striker, then Drogba is 10 times better than Adebayor. Gomez, I dont know, I think its too soon to judge him just like Benzema and Huntelaar.
My favourites for the striker role would be: Sheva, Adriano, Balotelli, Aguero. I'm not convinced that the other strikers who will come here will be a guaranteed success.
Galliani: We rule the market (http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/jun5l.html) ---> This is bull!
Boriello? Abbiati? He is not ashamed to include them? :haha:
Yeah, we got Flamini BUT he is FREE. Ok, we have Zambrotta.
So one Zambro and free Flamini rule market? lol :stupid:
I expect him to say that we'll get Marzoratti, Coppola, Pozzi, DiGennaro, and all Milan loaned players and again tell media : We rule the market not only in Italy but also in the world!!! :stupid:
Gabriel489
05-06-2008, 12:34
Well, sofar, for all the official signings, we did sign the most players.
But I hope Gallis has Zapata, Vargas, R10 and Drogba in his sleeves
Can't say much about Gomez as I haven't seen him play, Drogba would be an ideal striker but tell me honestly do you think he will join Milan when he has the chance to join Inter who has Mourinho? The reason he came to Chelski and the reason he wanted to leave was when JoMo left. Not only that but look at the guys age, all he could give Milan is 2 maybe 3 years max. I'm not saying Ade is a better player than Drogba because Drog would murder him but for long term I think Ade would be the better solution as he's only 24 and could offer a bit more. I doubt the transfer would be that high though, most likely between 10-15 million.
rosoneri_11
05-06-2008, 12:38
Galliani: We rule the market (http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/jun5l.html) ---> This is bullshlt!
Boriello? Abbiati? He is not ashamed to include them? :haha:
Yeah, we got Flamini BUT he is FREE. Ok, we have Zambrotta.
So one Zambro and free Flamini rule market? lol :stupid:
I expect him to say that we'll get Marzoratti, Coppola, Pozzi, DiGennaro, and all Milan loaned players and again tell media : We rule the market not only in Italy but also in the world!!! :stupid:
He is an idiot!
Boriello will never score 19 goals with Milan, and then what he will say?
O.L. chairman Jean-Michel Aulas has declared: "If Arsenal are offering 16 million Euros for Samir Nasri, I think that Ben Harfa's price is between 15 and 20 million Euros". The young striker is tracked by O.M. and PSG
Ben Arfa is 15-20 mil, but benzema is 60
where is the logic, ben arfa is very good, young, talent, and has alot of potential to get better, only problem with hem, is that he plays best at winger, and Milan doent use wingers.
On the Vargas move, it seem everyday he is closer to signing with Viola, but nothing ever happens, we need to do something quick, before one morning we wake up, and he is officially a viola player.
HO-YOUNG
05-06-2008, 13:18
All in all we need to ensure that our singings are not more than the mid twenties in age if this is to be the begining of a new cycle...or is it a one year cylce? We dont have the money to sign young expensive players who are world class?
remote2book
05-06-2008, 13:38
lots of rumors today...mainly the adebayor one..i dont think there can be anyway the price is 40mil..plus dont the clubs have to agree on terms FIRST than the club can talk to the player...we might be intersted in him but i dont think anything concrete...ive watched alot of Mario gomez this season and past season..he would be perfect for us..he is actually fast for a big man and would compliment our current strikers very well
I'm talking about NEXT season. Ronaldinho hardly played at all.
It's so interesting one bad season and people are writing him off. One good, not even great, but good season, Boriello is the second coming. Gila had 3 sub par seasons here, and people still defended him for most of his time here.
Don't get me wrong I like Vargas, but there is always room for a player like Ronaldinho. R10, can do for us what Kaka does...take over and win a game that we have no business winning.
People who say R10 is done, should never be asking for a Sheva to return. After 2 horrible seasons what gives you the idea he'll return to form? And he's older than R10, so is Seedorf.
A 50% R10 would clean the floor with Seedorf. I'm not gonna stick up Seedorf just because he's in our colors.
R10 would bring a serious offensive punch to our team. Seedorf is old and doesn't help cover the LB. So many times I saw him visibly tired and unable to keep up with the run of play, forget about helping in the LB.
He's a legend in our minds because of his CL exploits...last season he wasn't good and I can't see him getting better or being able to fulfill the role he has been for the past few years in an adequate manner.
Ronaldinho has 2 horrible seasons at least where he has been on the bench more often than he play. And the season before that was not that fanastic. So its 3 seasons of underperforming and hey suddenly, he is going to tear down all defences? Please don't make me laugh, his form is not even better Gilardino to say the least and Gila get bashed but not Ronaldinho? :dstup:
Ben Arfa is 15-20 mil, but benzema is 60
where is the logic, ben arfa is very good, young, talent, and has alot of potential to get better, only problem with hem, is that he plays best at winger, and Milan doent use wingers.
Both have it all ... but there is a huge difference (so huge that they don't like each other): mentality.
When one always complain when he's not a starter (Ben Arfa), the other doesn't say anything when his coach puts him as a winger whereas he's a lot better like a striker (Benzema).
Ronaldinho has 2 horrible seasons at least where he has been on the bench more often than he play. And the season before that was not that fanastic. So its 3 seasons of underperforming and hey suddenly, he is going to tear down all defences? Please don't make me laugh, his form is not even better Gilardino to say the least and Gila get bashed but not Ronaldinho? :dstup:
He scored 21 goals last season how is that horrible? Even this season he scored 8 goals in 17 matches
Maltese Charlie
05-06-2008, 13:57
Galliani: We rule the market (http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/jun5l.html) ---> This is bullshlt!
Boriello? Abbiati? He is not ashamed to include them? :haha:
Yeah, we got Flamini BUT he is FREE. Ok, we have Zambrotta.
So one Zambro and free Flamini rule market? lol :stupid:
I expect him to say that we'll get Marzoratti, Coppola, Pozzi, DiGennaro, and all Milan loaned players and again tell media : We rule the market not only in Italy but also in the world!!! :stupid:
Galliani said that so far Milan made the best mercato from the Italian teams.
And I think that he is right.
I cannot understand your point by saying (BUT he is FREE).
If Milan can sign such a good player who was chased by several big clubs for free, means that the MAN knows his job very well.
Keep in mind that very expensive players are not a guarantee to success. (Lentini)
While our best players were bought free or very cheap. ( Examples: Van Basten, Pirlo, Kaka)
Arildonardo
05-06-2008, 14:08
Ronaldinho has 2 horrible seasons at least where he has been on the bench more often than he play. And the season before that was not that fanastic. So its 3 seasons of underperforming and hey suddenly, he is going to tear down all defences? Please don't make me laugh, his form is not even better Gilardino to say the least and Gila get bashed but not Ronaldinho? :dstup:
So here's Ronadinho's 3 seasons of "underperforming":
2005-06
League: 29/17 (matches/goals)
Europe: 12/7
2006-07
League: 35/21
Europe: 8/2
2007-08
League: 17/8
Europe: 8/1
Imagine what he can do when he's not underperforming...
Mr. Anonymous
05-06-2008, 14:18
interesting indeed, you were just saying that Seedorf will suck cuz he was bad this season ;)
and @Gila case, I was one of his "supporters", but i didnt support his performances, I only disagreed with people who said he's the reason behind our failure ;)(dont get me wrong, I have nothing against you :P)
I think we've squeezed Seedorf the best out of Seedorf, he's starting to show his show his age, and I don't expect him to get any better. He'll struggle and have to work extra hard just to maintain his form.
And Seedorf's skills will continue to diminish given his age. If he had a Del Piero type year maybe I'd have a different opinion. But Seedorf has signifcantly dipped in performance, Del Piero hasn't.
Having said that, Del Piero is definately the exception to the rule (as with only a tiny minority of elite athletes) and by no means is it the rule. How many other players who play the same position and are his age had a similar years to him? All the other players you mentioned are defender that can play positionally to effectively do their job unlike an attacking player.
I'll stick to my point on this one, as you haven't convinced me otherwise, (as others have regarding other points) Seedorf in a line-up over Ronaldinho...only makes sense in the mind of certain Milan Fans.:rone:
No unbiased person would choose Seedorf over R10 for their team unless they haven't been watching football for the past 5 years.
Now when it comes to how much $$$ to spend to get him...that's a debate I'm willing to have.
Mr. Anonymous
05-06-2008, 14:26
Ronaldinho has 2 horrible seasons at least where he has been on the bench more often than he play. And the season before that was not that fanastic. So its 3 seasons of underperforming and hey suddenly, he is going to tear down all defences? Please don't make me laugh, his form is not even better Gilardino to say the least and Gila get bashed but not Ronaldinho? :dstup:
Wuhahahahaha...tell me you're joking...:zany:...Wuhahahahaha...stop it you're klling me.:rocky: I give up.:kap: Oh man...you're good at making jokes, we need to go out for some beers when I need a good laugh.:beer:
To the rest - Thanks for putting up the stats.:5ok:
But don't touch our world class player Seedorf...amazing!!!
Wait...and you mentioned, and compared Gila's form with Ronaldinho's over the past three years. You're probably the best comedian in this forum. I need to hear from you more often.
ginoformaggino
05-06-2008, 14:55
about the power forward,
I never heard here about a couple of russian strikers.
I saw Lithuania Russia on Eurosport tonight
I jumped from the sofa watching the 2nd russian goal,
a superb voleé with the left foot,
just after a difficult control in rotation with the chest.
The name of the scorer is Roman Pavlyuchenko
Spartak Mosca
Height: 1.88 m.
Weight: 78.00 kg.
Date of birth: 15/12/1981
.... and why not Pavel Pogrebnyak, Zenith,
top scorer in Uefa Cup , this season?
Height 188 cm
Weight 91 kg
Date of birth: 08.11.1983
On contract till 31.12.2009
Pavlyuchenko is the substitute of Pogrebnyak in the national team.
I would give a look.
hitmannq8
05-06-2008, 14:59
Ronaldinho has 2 horrible seasons at least where he has been on the bench more often than he play. And the season before that was not that fanastic. So its 3 seasons of underperforming and hey suddenly, he is going to tear down all defences? Please don't make me laugh, his form is not even better Gilardino to say the least and Gila get bashed but not Ronaldinho? :dstup:
WRONG. Maybe performance wise he wasn't exactly doing all the tricks and flashy movements but this year is the only year where he was really struggling and that is because he had a few niggling injuries and there was Eto'o, Henry, Messi in the same squad. Last year he wasn't fantastic you say and yet he scored 21 goals. The year before he brought the Champions League to Barcelona, he was their star man. He was the top scorer in the CL and he won the Fifa world player of the year and the Golden Ball.
What the hell are you talking about? I cant believe you even compared Ronaldinho to Gila.
About Galliani saying we are the best in the market so far, yes maybe..but thats like being proud of being first place after the first lap when there's 59 laps remaining. He really should shut his mouth and just focus on his job. After two markets of failure, we expect nothing less than an excellent one.
ROFL People don't talk about Ronaldinho underperforming and in the same breath say that Seedorf had a good season. If Seedorf played 35 games then 5 were great 10 were decent and the rest horrible. Definitely not someone we can depend on. You can tell because if Seedorf were doing his job properly then Kaka wouldn't have to constantly come back into our half to get the ball. I'd prefer we don't get Dinho and use the money to get that world class striker, switch back to 4-3-1-2 with Kaka where he's supposed to be and own everyone again :D
I dont know why many are against the Ronaldinho move, I think he will work wonders here. I'm all for Dinho at any price below 25m euro. Adebayor? I wouldn't sign him if he was for 10m to be honest, he is not what we need. If we are looking for a tall strong striker, then Drogba is 10 times better than Adebayor. Gomez, I dont know, I think its too soon to judge him just like Benzema and Huntelaar.
My favourites for the striker role would be: Sheva, Adriano, Balotelli, Aguero. I'm not convinced that the other strikers who will come here will be a guaranteed success.
Hitmannq8 I don't think you can compare Huntelaar with Benzema. Benzema pretty much just broke on the scene whereas Huntelaar has been consistently performing for a few seasons now. Ajax is missing the CL I think we should try to get Huntelaar. As long we get another fullback and a creative midfielder then Huntelaar is guaranteed to score.
P.S. I thought you were talking bout guarantees...why mention Sheva, Balotelli and ADRIANO???? :s Aguero is class though.
hitmannq8
05-06-2008, 15:20
just a personal opinion, i think they are better bets than the rest..especially Sheva you know.. we already had him and he won't need time to fit in.. he is still the same player - maybe he has declined physically, but his talent cannot disappear like that. i'm sure he will be useful.
balotelli - future golden ball winner, i have no doubts about this kid. he is as good as pato.
adriano - every player who goes to inter screws up. take a look at some highlights of his performances over the last 6 months - he reminded us of what he used to be. all he needs is a change of environment - just like Dinho.
Galliani said that so far Milan made the best mercato from the Italian teams.
And I think that he is right.
I cannot understand your point by saying (BUT he is FREE).
If Milan can sign such a good player who was chased by several big clubs for free, means that the MAN knows his job very well.
Keep in mind that very expensive players are not a guarantee to success. (Lentini)
While our best players were bought free or very cheap. ( Examples: Van Basten, Pirlo, Kaka)
Why is Gallini so proud because of 2 signings and suddenly compared to other italian clubs? Man, it's only 2 signings (1 for FREE Flamini and one a poor-performance-last-season Zambrotta).
You can be happy if you beat other clubs to sign Flamini but it's not like you sign a great midfielder for normal price, it's not like you signed Nesta, Rui Costa etc. And then tell press that you have made the best market. :p231:
I am not against free or cheap player as it's true that the important thing is the player's quality BUT never be so proud like Galliani did because of a FREE and loaned players signings.
It looks funny to see how Galliani said it. :yuck:
Gila > Ronaldinho :o
Both of them are terrible (up-to-date condition). Gila>Ronaldinho or Ronaldinho>Gila are just like comparing who are better among the worst.
Imagine what he can do when he's not underperforming...
Yeah, just imagine what Gila could do IF he's not underperforming like he's done with Parma.
rinogattuso
05-06-2008, 15:50
Galliani is type of person who is very "sniki" person..he know what he do!!He had a vision of next Milan its simple,he hyde all of them plans on mercato.He would go for ronaldinho on article 17 and than we don't need another forward!
Maevious
05-06-2008, 16:21
Palermo signs Amelia!!
and we still havent signed a GK:wallbang:
Yeah, just imagine what Gila could do IF he's not underperforming like he's done with Parma.
You don't understand what he means. If 21 goals is under performing then just imagine what he can do when he's actually performing. It's not like his 06-07 season was as bad as people make out. It's just his extra high standards he set for himself during his 04-06 seasons that has people criticizing him. When last did someone score 20 goals in the league for us? 2004?
er...er...guys I was being sarcastic :dielaugh:
Graeme C
05-06-2008, 16:37
Palermo signs Amelia!!
and we still havent signed a GK:wallbang:
I dont really see that much difference between Abbiati and Amelia. If its the case that were not gona sign anyone, i think we should invest in a decent youngster. Viviano? Having Dida as 3rd choice is killling the team, hes wage alone should be why hes kicked out.
Im a bit disapointed that we havent heard anymore about Maggio. I think cash plus Abate and Paloushi on loan is a good deal for both of us. Would be stupid if he joins Napoli.
I cant really see the management putting alot of money into the side, their reasoning is prob that were not in the champ league. I think they just gota wake up, players costs are increasing from the days of Rui.. Not decreasing.
What do u guys think of Osvaldo?
Maevious
05-06-2008, 16:44
What do u guys think of Osvaldo?
Osvaldo is a great player in the making. But I doubt Fiorentina will sell him anytime soon (except if somebody makes a ridiculous offer).
Senahid1
05-06-2008, 16:52
he dropped us from champions league, with one great goal.......
nice player...
I wont Sheva , Ronaldinho, and Boruc...... thats all. :cheers:
slifersd
05-06-2008, 16:57
40 m for Adebayor is just crazy and ridiculous, how could Berlu and Galiani be that stupid? 40 m cant easly buy R10 and another young Brazilian player or they can add another 10 to this amount and buy Benzema, please tell me its just another rumor.
Oh, come on! This is a team that has less than 40 million transfer budget every year and you think they are actually going to spend that much on one player? If we aren't willing to pay half of that amount for Ronaldinho, there is no way we are spending that kind of money on Adebayor.
You don't understand what he means. If 21 goals is under performing then just imagine what he can do when he's actually performing. It's not like his 06-07 season was as bad as people make out. It's just his extra high standards he set for himself during his 04-06 seasons that has people criticizing him. When last did someone score 20 goals in the league for us? 2004?
I do understand what he means. What I care about is his condition. Can he reach his old performance (can he be not underperforming)? This is the big question. He said that WHEN Ronaldinho were not underperforming, etc (ONLY when).
Ronaldinho is getting worse and worse since Barca won CL 2006.
About Ronaldinho goals : He scored 7 penalties from 21 goals in 2006/07 and 3 from 8 goals in 2007/08 which means he scored goals that were not from penalties : 14 goals in 2006/07 and 5 in 2007/08.
If compare to Gila (who should be our worst player according how often, intensive, rude, etc. bashings he got) :
Gila made 12 goals in 2006/07 and 7 goals in 2007/08.
If I use WHEN sentence : Imagine how could Gila's performance be WHEN Gila were not underperforming? :D
Well, I am not against Ronaldinho transfer as there is always possibility in any case (that he can reach his old performance) but I only care about his up-to-date performance/condition. I am afraid he is the next Milan's Rivaldo!
Gila and Ronaldinho has very different role. Also you just can't compare their talents. They play at different positions, too...
Gila and Ronaldinho has very different role. Also you just can't compare their talents. They play at different positions, too...
I dont compare their talents and I only compare their situations, conditions, performances. Of course you cant compare players with different positions to know who is the best among them but you can compare the situation and condition (regarding performances) among players with different positions.
If someone said something like "Imagine WHEN Ronaldinho were not underperforming etc", then of course I can also say like "Imagine WHEN Gila were not underperforming.
MY GOD PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY COMPARING Ronaldinho and G!la :eekani: :wallbang: :stupid:
MY GOD PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY COMPARING Ronaldinho and G!la :eekani: :wallbang: :stupid:
Why is it with that comparing? Nothing wrong with that. They ARE both very bad.
Because we are already nice enough not to compare them with R99.
There are plenty of formations that we could come up with to get the best out the team if we included R10.
Think out of the Kaka, Seedorf, Pato, box. Can't use Ronaldinho? You know we finished 5th this year with the above players?
We finished 5th with these players, but Im responding to the notion of comparing Ronaldhio to Seedorf. They are nothing like each other and we would become even more vulnerable to the counter attack than we already are.
I dont like the idea of a Milan team with Pato, Kaka, Ronaldhinio and Pirlo all as regulars. Pato is already an amazing support striker, but is not a centre forward. we need an Inzaghi (Benzema lol) up front to score in those tight games like against PSV, Lyon etc.
If we are going to find someone to replace Seedorf then it MUST be a player who will defend and attack.
I want to ask people here : Can Ronaldinho, Kaka and Pato play together behind a big SC like Drogba? It's like :
---------Drogba-------
--Rdinho--Kaka--Pato-----
-----Pirlo/Flamini--Rino/Ambro
I dont know, I think we'll end up with signing Ronaldinho or Drogba (but it could also possilbe Drogba and Ronaldinho if the price for Ronaldinho is not far from Milan's offered to Barca).
I predict Milan will sign one of them, Drogba or Rdinho (if not both). :D
remote2book
05-06-2008, 20:35
iam not sure if anyone already posted this but gorcuffs loan deal to bordeux is official source goal.com/bordeux official website...finally atleast he will be able play to some games and gain more expierence and impress carlo...
http://www.girondins.com/cms/infos/categorie.jsp?id=c_5010
Dhinio would make a good replacement for seedorf he will play on the left where seedorf plays kaka on the right with striker upfront this way if we have flamini play on the left he can cover that part of the field with pirlo working his magic through the middle and gattuso on the right side covering that field i think that would be a good way to add dhinio in the squad
How is Gourcuff's loan-contract? Is there option for Bordeaux to buy him at the end of the season?
remote2book
05-06-2008, 21:54
iam not sure but i know its a year long deal not sure about the buy option
Barcelona are chasing AC Milan midfield ace Andrea Pirlo.
Sky Italia says new Barca coach Pep Guardiola wants to build his midfield around Pirlo next season and is convinced the Italian is unsettled at Milan.
Indeed, it's emerged that Pirlo is upset with his status at Milan after learning of the bumper deal new signing Mathieu Flamini was handed and also the substantial contract improvements to teammates.
Hahaha, first pato, now pirlo, next barca wants Gattuso and Kaka.
Milan shouldnot even consider a deal with Barca, since they ask for so much for there players.
No wait, i think we should put a 50mil price tag on pirlo, non negotiable, unless it goes up.
Wait a second, gentleman, I think we are missing somethinga bout Seedorf here.
Seedorf is a champion. Let's face it. Forget about his age, his (declining?) form, and his lack ofpace. He is a champion.
He won the Champion League four times. FOUR. Quattro, if you know Italian.
What does it mean? Very simply, it means that Seedorf has vast, if not gigantic, experiences in playing, both domestically and, more so, in Europe. His experiences are so valuable that any team would love to have his knowledge.
If you take that experience into account in terms of how we should price our players as asset, Seedorf is going to worth more than Pato.
Perhaps only the likes of Maldini can match.
****
And obviously, some national team coach has never thought about that... Wait, two national team coaches. Figure them out yourself ;).
We never said to just discard Seedorf Jeff, because he can play well....at times. Just not all the time. Therefore I think he should be more of a backup AM from next season substituting Kaka to give him rest when he needs it.
Kaka--7thUCL
05-06-2008, 23:17
Apparently according to goal.com (ask if you want the link) milan agreed on personal terms with Adebeyor.. Its always easy for milan to agree on personal terms with players, but once it comes to agreeing a fee with the club it always comes to a stump, but considering arsenal havent won much in a long while they should really consider selling him for close to or exactly at what milans offer is.
Warro Bantan
06-06-2008, 01:06
Arsenal won't sell Adebayor, or if they do, they will prob ask for a ton load of money...now, I think Gomez is as talented, younger, and should be cheaper....(or will be until the Euros start at any rate.)
Haven't read/heard recently about any further interest in the young German international, so I doubt we will get him.
R10, a CB (Zapata), and a ST (Gomez/Adebayor) and I am happy...oh...and if we sign a LB, I will be even happier. :D
We will prob get: R10 or either Adebayor/Drogba, and if we are lucky, a defender of some sort.
3 more players methinks...if that much.
Galliani's posturing is not encouraging at present...I have a feeling we will have to sell before we buy again.....
rosoneri_11
06-06-2008, 01:13
Amelia signs for Palermo
From: http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/jun5n.html
He would be exelent as our second keeper with first Frey.
Bye,bye Amelia!
catennacio
06-06-2008, 03:10
yawning...:moan:
This is OT but you must read it to see how unreliable Goal.com are.(look at the bolded words)
At 00:00 this article appeared on goal.com :
Milan Handed Another Champions League Lifeline
Milan have been handed another Champions League lifeline, as Romanian side Steaua Bucharest are on the verge of being excluded from the competition...
The Romanian side risk being thrown out of the Champions League for allegedly fixing a game in their own domestic league.
Steaua have already been penalised by the Bulgarian authorities and their president George Becali has been accused of match fixing. He is alledged to have paid another Romanian side $2.6 million in order to help his side to win the league.
If this is the case then, just like Porto, they would be instantly kicked out under UEFAs zero tolerance policy regarding such matters.
Their place would then be offered to Dinamo Bucarest. However, there are reports that Dinamo do not want to play in the Champions League. In this case, Milan would be given the place as UEFAs highest ranked team not already participating in the competition.
UEFA would have no choice but to award the place to the Rossoneri if Rapid snub their chance, a fact that will delight Milan fans worldwide, after it looked like the Italian giants had thrown away their Champions League prospects for next season.
The Rossoneri failed to qualify for the competition after finishing fifth in Serie A, following a less than vintage campiagn by their high standards.
The club now has the chance to jump straightback into the driving seat as they look to use UEFA's rule book to wriggle their way back into the European big time.
Salvatore Landolina
So i write to goal.com telling them that Bulgarian authorities have nothing to do with Romanian league and that it was Rapid Bucarest who are next in line after Steaua because they finished 3rd while Dinamo finished 4th.
After few hours the old article disappears and i new article pops up.
Here is the new article :
Milan Handed Another Champions League Lifeline
Milan have been handed another Champions League lifeline, as Romanian side Steaua Bucharest are on the verge of being excluded from the competition...
The Romanian side risk being thrown out of the Champions League for allegedly fixing a game in their own domestic league.
Steaua have already been penalised by the Romanian authorities and their president George Becali has been accused of match fixing. He is alledged to have paid another Romanian side $2.6 million in order to help his side to win the league.
If this is the case then, just like Porto, they would be instantly kicked out under UEFAs zero tolerance policy regarding such matters.
Their place would then be offered to Rapid Bucarest. However, there are reports that Rapid do not want to play in the Champions League, and neither are Dinamo, who finished fourth. In this case, Milan would be given the place as UEFAs highest ranked team not already participating in the competition.
UEFA would have no choice but to award the place to the Rossoneri if Rapid snub their chance, a fact that will delight Milan fans worldwide, after it looked like the Italian giants had thrown away their Champions League prospects for next season.
The Rossoneri failed to qualify for the competition after finishing fifth in Serie A, following a less than vintage campiagn by their high standards.
The club now has the chance to jump straightback into the driving seat as they look to use UEFA's rule book to wriggle their way back into the European big time.
Salvatore Landolina
Lol, they didn't even check before they wrote the first article.
I speak Romanian and i checked all Romanian sports newspapers and i saw the same thing everywhere. Rapid want to play CL and they're only waiting to see the result of Steaua's appeal. How did Goal.com come up with the stuff that they don't want CL, i'll never know.
These are cruel jokes on Milan fans. I knew that goal.com aren't reliable but after this i think i'll stop reading their site.
Egoistka
06-06-2008, 04:37
about the power forward,
I never heard here about a couple of russian strikers.
I saw Lithuania Russia on Eurosport tonight
I jumped from the sofa watching the 2nd russian goal,
a superb voleé with the left foot,
just after a difficult control in rotation with the chest.
The name of the scorer is Roman Pavlyuchenko
Spartak Mosca
Height: 1.88 m.
Weight: 78.00 kg.
Date of birth: 15/12/1981
.... and why not Pavel Pogrebnyak, Zenith,
top scorer in Uefa Cup , this season?
Height 188 cm
Weight 91 kg
Date of birth: 08.11.1983
On contract till 31.12.2009
Pavlyuchenko is the substitute of Pogrebnyak in the national team.
I would give a look.
Pogrebnyak is definately not for sale, same I think applies to Pavlyuchenko
Egoistka
06-06-2008, 04:43
According to "The London Paper" we are on way of signing Drogba + Sheva. I just really dont understand why Chelsea would sell Drogba...but if we get them both it would be just great!
Gabriel489
06-06-2008, 04:50
I cannot believe people compare Gila and R10. And I just cannot see why people here are still defending Gila, b/c I am sure this past season, you guys were the same people that kept asking for Gila's head. Who cares if he scores like 25 goals next year for Viola, as we all have to understand that GILA will never score over 15 goals for us b/c the coach has no faith in him and the players rather shoot than pass to him.
As for R10, I think he is still the most talented player in the world and if he comes to Milan, we will be pretty unstoppable.
Gomez, Benezma, Abebayor and Drogba are great, I just hope Milan can get one of them with a fair price and not opt for cheap oftion like Sauso.
Zapata, Cannini, Maggio, Abate, Vargas, Dessena, Dossena, Cirganri. I thought Milan will at least sign 2-3 of them?
Adebayor ???? I hate this guy.....Why on earth should milan follow him....He lacks pace, poor finishing (needs minimum 3 clear chances to score 1 goal).....No dribbling skills at all....
WHY GALLIANI..........WHY?????
Pls no adebayor plssssssss
I would rather have sheva back ...than ade
I would be happy wuth the below signings :
Vargas
Alves
Mexes
Sheva
Akinfeev -------> Is he available in the market (Never heard any news off late)
:star:I would be happy wuth the below signings :
Vargas
Alves
Mexes
Sheva
Akinfeev -------> Is he available in the market (Never heard any news off late)
Good day everybody....Forza Milan & Forza Azzuri
rosoneri_11
06-06-2008, 06:34
Daniel Alves is very close to join Barcelona!It says Barcelona made an offer of 32m.euro wich Sevilla accepted it.Barcelona has also sign from Sevilla Keita.
From (greek site): http://sports.pathfinder.gr/football/europe/spain/primera-division/barcelona/622512.html
Bye, Bye Daniel Alves, best RB on earth!
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Galiani: We rule the transfer market! :5dito:
Gabriel489
06-06-2008, 06:42
For real, I really don't think a RB is worth 32M. Beside, I think D. Alves might not be suited for Series A
Daniel Alves is very close to join Barcelona!It says Barcelona made an offer of 32m.euro wich Sevilla accepted it.Barcelona has also sign from Sevilla Keita.
From (greek site): http://sports.pathfinder.gr/football/europe/spain/primera-division/barcelona/622512.html
Bye, Bye Daniel Alves, best RB on earth!
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Galiani: We rule the transfer market! :5dito:
hahaha! We rulte the transfer market of free players! :)
Alves is a brilliant player and a better player then MAicon even, it will be shown once he starts to play in really strong squad like Barca is. He was my dream RB with Gattuso in pair, but...there he goes. At his best Zambrotta was even better then Alves, but Zambro is now 31 and Alves is a young player that could have great future with Milan.
_MaJi_tz
06-06-2008, 06:55
Galliani: "L'attaccante? I nomi sono questi..."
MILANO - "Le trattative per un attaccante ci sono, lo sapete". Ma il Milan ancora non ha condotto in porto il suo ultimo colpo della campagna acquisti. Lo ha detto Adriano Galliani. "Un attaccante č quello che ci manca per completare il quadro- le parole dell'ad rossonero- Cerchiamo un big. I nomi sono quelli: Drogba, Eto'o, Adebayor, Gomez e Berbatov, pių o meno questi, non č che ci siano in giro mille attaccanti...". Poi una battuta sul rinnovo di Maldini. "Mi auguro che Paolo accetti l'offerta della societā, sono stato il suo sponsor perchč continuasse. C'č questa offerta, speriamo che possa accettarla. Non so i tempi, č lui che deve decidere". L'ultimo pensiero di Galliani č stato perō per la polemica lanciata da Dunga riguardo a Kakā, operato e indisponibile per le partite di qualificazione mondiale del Brasile. "Nella situazione di Kakā non c'entriamo nulla: l'operazione č stata decisa dal medico della Selecao, il dottor Runco, l'intervento al giocatore lo ha consigliato lui, e con lo staff del Brasile sta facendo la rieducazione. Noi non abbiamo mai pensato di impedire a Kakā di giocare con la nazionale A, gli abbiamo negato la possibilitā di fare le Olimpiadi. E questo č tutto. Con la sua assenza per la Seleįao, il Milan non c'entra nulla".
From calciomercato...
rosoneri_11
06-06-2008, 06:57
For me he is worth or and much more because he is the best on the world for his place.He deserve it.They sold Zambrotta and they bought Daniel Alves, THATS A TRANSFER.I feel so sick about Milan, they buy only top class players.
Arildonardo
06-06-2008, 07:15
What? If there's any truth to this report Pirlo is unsettled because of Flamini's lucrative deal and other Milan-players financial improvements:
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=725492
If true, then offer Pirlo a new deal! He's our most valuable player alongside Kaká.
i think our mercato is going good we have Galliani word that one of them ( Drogba Adebajor Gomez Berba or Eto'o) will come to milan and i think R10 will end up in milan too, with one good defender Zapata/Mexes/Alex and a LB not top class maybe Pasqual and Boruc or Frey we well be great
Boruc/Frey
Zapata/Mexes
Zambrotta
Flamini
Ronaldinho
Boriello
Drogba/Eto'o/Gomez
I think is good mercato
Imagine what he can do when he's not underperforming...
God-like. :3band:
But he is still under-performing. :grinser:
What? If there's any truth to this report Pirlo is unsettled because of Flamini's lucrative deal and other Milan-players financial improvements:
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=725492
If true, then offer Pirlo a new deal! He's our most valuable player alongside Kaká.
Barca want Pirlo, Pato and Inzaghi...
they might aswell just bid for our whole squad maybe?
and tbh, I dont think Pirlo will leave, they(Carlo+Management) wont allow it...
and besides, look at the source :rolleyes:
Pirlo had a press conderence where he said he will ba staying in Milan untill thze end aldough the offers were real. Milan WILL NOT sell anyone.
My guess for the forwards is: Drogba + Sheva from Chelsea. Not Adebayor, goms, Eto'o... Boriello will end up somewhere else, while Paloschi will be loaned. Drogba, Sheva, PAto, Pippo will be our strikers. that is a great attacking line for a long season.
Gio-mania
06-06-2008, 07:49
i'm hearing talks about mega-offers to pirlo. 10m from Real, Barįa, Chelsea. I agree with " _Ace ", they wouldnt let him go... esp. Carletto. if he were to leave , ancelotti might leave too... Ancelotti-Pirlo combo for chelsea :dazed:
rumor has it that we have made/are preparing a 39m offer for Adebayor.....in my opinion that is was too much. Galliani said we're just going to get a center forward - he confirmed the following names: Etō'o, Drogba, Adebayor, Gomez & Berbatov.
apparently we are also going to lisabon to negotiate Moutinho... ~15m euros, + players like Grimi. dont know much about him, so cant judge.
He scored 21 goals last season how is that horrible? Even this season he scored 8 goals in 17 matches
Scoring from penalties is nothing to be proud of.
His performances last season were so bad that he was benched. Then this season he is only a team rotation player.
How much more do we need to see of him to know that he is on his way down? We are taking a risk by buying him. His form and condition is really not any better than Gila. That's why we must be carefully with R10, whether he can still terrorize defense is still a doubt, we are not buying into a sure player with R10. Its just like buying Pato, nobody can be certain he will come great before he actually play. You guys are just too hopeful he will turn out great.
Scoring from penalties is nothing to be proud of.
His performances last season were so bad that he was benched. Then this season he is only a team rotation player.
How much more do we need to see of him to know that he is on his way down? We are taking a risk by buying him. His form and condition is really not any better than Gila. That's why we must be carefully with R10, whether he can still terrorize defense is still a doubt, we are not buying into a sure player with R10. Its just like buying Pato, nobody can be certain he will come great before he actually play. You guys are just too hopeful he will turn out great.
He'll bounce back that's for sure he just needs change of environment, if you remember Sheva too had bad times in his career, Kaka did also, did that meant that we should sell them?, we kept our faith in them and look where KAka is now and what Sheva has done for us.And Ronnie is not a finished player he's 28, if he was 30+ i would have understood what you're saying but he still has 4, 5 years of top football in him barring any injuries
Form is temporary class is permanent you should know that if you don't:u125:
i'm hearing talks about mega-offers to pirlo. 10m from Real, Barįa, Chelsea. I agree with " _Ace ", they wouldnt let him go... esp. Carletto. if he were to leave , ancelotti might leave too... Ancelotti-Pirlo combo for chelsea :dazed:
rumor has it that we have made/are preparing a 39m offer for Adebayor.....in my opinion that is was too much. Galliani said we're just going to get a center forward - he confirmed the following names: Etō'o, Drogba, Adebayor, Gomez & Berbatov.
apparently we are also going to lisabon to negotiate Moutinho... ~15m euros, + players like Grimi. dont know much about him, so cant judge.
the moutinho news the best ive heard all year, please send a link.
i'm hearing talks about mega-offers to pirlo. 10m from Real, Barįa, Chelsea. I agree with " _Ace ", they wouldnt let him go... esp. Carletto. if he were to leave , ancelotti might leave too... Ancelotti-Pirlo combo for chelsea :dazed:
rumor has it that we have made/are preparing a 39m offer for Adebayor.....in my opinion that is was too much. Galliani said we're just going to get a center forward - he confirmed the following names: Etō'o, Drogba, Adebayor, Gomez & Berbatov.
apparently we are also going to lisabon to negotiate Moutinho... ~15m euros, + players like Grimi. dont know much about him, so cant judge.
alot of people on this thread say that whenever they see him play he is never impressive, then they say they saw him play twice or three times max.
to me i consider him in the molding of Rui Costa The Great. He is young, great passer, good leadership, and can make great plays, a good substitute he would be in Milan, untill he takes over from seedorf.
Gio-mania
06-06-2008, 08:04
Here's the link " payne " :
http://www.sportmediaset.it/mercato/articoli/11999/milan+moutinho+sporting
oh, and also, galliani said that if we get a big forward, paloshi would leave.
taly and Udinese striker Antonio Di Natale is the latest Serie A star to be tempted by a move to German side Wolfsburg.
Wolfsburg, seems to have a thing for italians. First Zaccardo, then Barzaghi, now the want Di Natale.
hwmook, I don't don't agree with your views on Ronaldinho and I think you're wrong about his previous seasons. Last season (if you mean 2006/07) I don't recall him being benched - at all. And I watched just about every single Barca game. And while he wasn't as breath-taking as in the two or three season before that, he still pretty much carried Barcelona (who were missing Messi and especially Eto'o much of the season) scoring more than ever before - even if some of his goals were penalties. This season he's been a mere shadow of his former self - one can't deny that - yet imo he's outshone Henry when playing.
Wether or not we should sign Ronnie depends on the formation next season. If we play 4-3-1-2 then we'd do better signing a striker (I still favour Gómez). But if we use a 4-3-2-1 line-up or even 4-2-3-1 (as mentioned a while back we might), then Ronaldinho is an ideal signing for us. I think moving to Serie A with it's slightly slower style would suit him and while I doubt he'll be as good as three years ago, he can certainly be world-class once again.
Here's the link " payne " :
http://www.sportmediaset.it/mercato/articoli/11999/milan+moutinho+sporting
oh, and also, galliani said that if we get a big forward, paloshi would leave.
I dont really read italian, so i translated it, and im just asking to make sure, since sometimes after translation there may be confusion.
we are offering
Storari + Grimi and Cash for Moutinho.
_MaJi_tz
06-06-2008, 08:16
Here's the link " payne " :
http://www.sportmediaset.it/mercato/articoli/11999/milan+moutinho+sporting
oh, and also, galliani said that if we get a big forward, paloshi would leave.
yes but paloschi will go on loan they are not crazy to sell this boy
And if we buy moutinho then we rule the market
This is OT but you must read it to see how unreliable Goal.com are.(look at the bolded words)
At 00:00 this article appeared on goal.com :
So i write to goal.com telling them that Bulgarian authorities have nothing to do with Romanian league and that it was Rapid Bucarest who are next in line after Steaua because they finished 3rd while Dinamo finished 4th.
After few hours the old article disappears and i new article pops up.
Here is the new article :
Lol, they didn't even check before they wrote the first article.
I speak Romanian and i checked all Romanian sports newspapers and i saw the same thing everywhere. Rapid want to play CL and they're only waiting to see the result of Steaua's appeal. How did Goal.com come up with the stuff that they don't want CL, i'll never know.
These are cruel jokes on Milan fans. I knew that goal.com aren't reliable but after this i think i'll stop reading their site.
Good job, Tony29!
It makes me clearer that goal.com never has desire to improve their behaviour on writing articles.
Gio-mania
06-06-2008, 08:32
@ " payne " : that's right. storari+grimi+ c. 15M
@ " _MaJi_tz " : yeah, i imagined he would be loaned ( reggina, i heard).
Gabriel489
06-06-2008, 08:38
Pls someone breakdown Moutinho, thanks
Mr. Anonymous
06-06-2008, 08:48
Just to set the record straight...I never said I wanted to get rid of Seedorf, I'd just like to see R10 brought in as Seedorf can't handle the rigors of full season.
As for Ronaldinho being a risk, so is every player. Gila was supposed to be a sure thing when we brought in from Parma, we all know how that story ended.
Ronaldinho is a risk, but just like the stock market you invest in a stock when it's low and you think it has bottomed out. That's what management is trying to do now.
When it comes to our striker position, we need a clean up, finish up man to just slot home all those chances our midfield will be creating. Big in the box, strong, good in the air.
IMO this describes Drogba, but Berbatov would probably the best pick-up. I haven't seen enough of Gomez but look forward to seeing him a lot in the Euros.
Just not Adebayor!!!
To Vulli - Your list and mine are very similar, and have a chance of happening minus the keeper.
FORZA MILAN:3band:
jmacpherson
06-06-2008, 09:19
Even though Seerdorf is getting on in years, he still has a lot to offer Milan. He might not be as fast as he used to be, but when he is on form his vision, reading of the game, passing and shooting is as good as any other WC player in the same role/position.
If we play 4-3-1-2 then he is ideal to rotate with Kaka or to play behind the 2 fwds if Kaka is pushed further up field.
Milan would never sell Pirlo until he is atleast 35yrs old or he chooses to leave because he is unhappy etc.
Nesta,Pirlo,Kaka and now Pato are the spine of our team. Break the spine and u know the rest.
Milan would be silly to sell Paloschi, especially with the 6+5 rule coming into play in the future. Loaning Paloschi out would give him more game time in serie-a, however I would prefer to see him stay and get used in the copa and uefa cup games so that he gets used playing in the side.
On the topic of forwards, awhile ago there was an article on channel4 I think where Kaka mentioned something about him playing as the support striker next season, instead of his usual position?
Any thoughts on this?
Mr. Anonymous
06-06-2008, 09:49
Even though Seerdorf is getting on in years, he still has a lot to offer Milan. He might not be as fast as he used to be, but when he is on form his vision, reading of the game, passing and shooting is as good as any other WC player in the same role/position.
If we play 4-3-1-2 then he is ideal to rotate with Kaka or to play behind the 2 fwds if Kaka is pushed further up field.
Milan would never sell Pirlo until he is atleast 35yrs old or he chooses to leave because he is unhappy etc.
Nesta,Pirlo,Kaka and now Pato are the spine of our team. Break the spine and u know the rest.
Milan would be silly to sell Paloschi, especially with the 6+5 rule coming into play in the future. Loaning Paloschi out would give him more game time in serie-a, however I would prefer to see him stay and get used in the copa and uefa cup games so that he gets used playing in the side.
On the topic of forwards, awhile ago there was an article on channel4 I think where Kaka mentioned something about him playing as the support striker next season, instead of his usual position?
Any thoughts on this?
I think this could work. Isn't that where he was playing the last several games of this season...just behind Inzaghi and it worked out well.
hwmook, I don't don't agree with your views on Ronaldinho and I think you're wrong about his previous seasons. Last season (if you mean 2006/07) I don't recall him being benched - at all. And I watched just about every single Barca game. And while he wasn't as breath-taking as in the two or three season before that, he still pretty much carried Barcelona (who were missing Messi and especially Eto'o much of the season) scoring more than ever before - even if some of his goals were penalties. This season he's been a mere shadow of his former self - one can't deny that - yet imo he's outshone Henry when playing.
Wether or not we should sign Ronnie depends on the formation next season. If we play 4-3-1-2 then we'd do better signing a striker (I still favour Gómez). But if we use a 4-3-2-1 line-up or even 4-2-3-1 (as mentioned a while back we might), then Ronaldinho is an ideal signing for us. I think moving to Serie A with it's slightly slower style would suit him and while I doubt he'll be as good as three years ago, he can certainly be world-class once again.
Huh? Ronaldinho carried barca in 2006/07 with what? his fatty tummy?
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/sport/2007/02/23/ronaldinhos_soft_centre_is_wei.html
You guys are fast to forget. His form was poor and he was dropped from the starting lineup under the excuse that he has an injury. Then all the nonsense about his fatty tummy, nightlife, missing training sessions......and it all started in 2006 after the world cup. His form has never pick up since then.
Even Messi who was injuried for 3 months that season was deemed a better player and rank higher in personal awards. If anybody carry barca that season, its Messi not ronaldinho. His form has dipped so much that barca is already considering selling him at the end of the season. And we all know how 2007/08 end for him.
If we got him for a good price then its still worth a try else i rather we go for other players on the way up. Gomez, Benzema are young players worth trying for.
Even though Seerdorf is getting on in years, he still has a lot to offer Milan. He might not be as fast as he used to be, but when he is on form his vision, reading of the game, passing and shooting is as good as any other WC player in the same role/position.
If we play 4-3-1-2 then he is ideal to rotate with Kaka or to play behind the 2 fwds if Kaka is pushed further up field.
Milan would never sell Pirlo until he is atleast 35yrs old or he chooses to leave because he is unhappy etc.
Nesta,Pirlo,Kaka and now Pato are the spine of our team. Break the spine and u know the rest.
Milan would be silly to sell Paloschi, especially with the 6+5 rule coming into play in the future. Loaning Paloschi out would give him more game time in serie-a, however I would prefer to see him stay and get used in the copa and uefa cup games so that he gets used playing in the side.
On the topic of forwards, awhile ago there was an article on channel4 I think where Kaka mentioned something about him playing as the support striker next season, instead of his usual position?
Any thoughts on this?
If kaka played as a support striker then who would support him? Only seedorf is left to do the job which is not enough. I think its possible to do so in certain games but certainly not every game.
Mr. Anonymous
06-06-2008, 10:04
Huh? Ronaldinho carried barca in 2006/07 with what? his fatty tummy?
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/sport/2007/02/23/ronaldinhos_soft_centre_is_wei.html
You guys are fast to forget. His form was poor and he was dropped from the starting lineup under the excuse that he has an injury. Then all the nonsense about his fatty tummy, nightlife, missing training sessions......and it all started in 2006 after the world cup. His form has never pick up since then.
Even Messi who was injuried for 3 months that season was deemed a better player and rank higher in personal awards. If anybody carry barca that season, its Messi not ronaldinho. His form has dipped so much that barca is already considering selling him at the end of the season. And we all know how 2007/08 end for him.
If we got him for a good price then its still worth a try else i rather we go for other players on the way up. Gomez, Benzema are young players worth trying for.
That's all I ever said.
I think he'll have something to prove this coming year.:strong:
And I don't think Barca wanted him out. He wants our of Barca is the way I've seen this soap opera developing.
Huh? Ronaldinho carried barca in 2006/07 with what? his fatty tummy?
You guys are fast to forget. His form was poor and he was dropped from the starting lineup under the excuse that he has an injury. Then all the nonsense about his fatty tummy, nightlife, missing training sessions......and it all started in 2006 after the world cup. His form has never pick up since then.
Even Messi who was injuried for 3 months that season was deemed a better player and rank higher in personal awards. If anybody carry barca that season, its Messi not ronaldinho. His form has dipped so much that barca is already considering selling him at the end of the season. And we all know how 2007/08 end for him.
If we got him for a good price then its still worth a try else i rather we go for other players on the way up. Gomez, Benzema are young players worth trying for.
:wth: Really this has to stop here.
1) Ronaldinho's dip is form is not that much but is heavily exaggerated by the media simply because when at his best he's unstoppable. They did the same thing to ronaldo at real where even though he was scoring a lot they crucified him for his weight gain and less dazzling displays
2)Ronaldinho is still the most talented player in the world atm. More than Kaka, Messi, CR7 etc. Each of the aforementioned might be better at him in one or two areas but Ronaldinho's arsenal is so complete and diverse that whn on form he stands above them all.
3)Ronaldinho scored 21 goals last season 06-07. Not a small tally especially as Eto'o, Messi, and for a while even Saviola was out injured. Scoring the penalties is almost irellevant...because Kaka scored penalties in the CL too and we are happy that he was top scorer. In that season Ronaldinho was seriously over-used as a winger, CAM, Support forward and as an out-and-out-striker. To say that Messi was better because of a couple of good games and a handful of fancy moves is laughable if not downright ridiculous. Messi since his first senior game has NEVER scored more than 14 goals and has never played more than 28 league games
4) If you think it's really his dip in form that has Barca eager to sell then I guess there's no point in continuing this discussion further. Kaka's form has dipped and so have many stars...some dips stretch acros seasons. It's purely a political and financial manouvere. How BAD could a player really be if he keeps a scoring ratio of almost 0.5 consistently :googly:
5) I agree with the gomez over Ronaldinho.....like sooooo many other players we are chasing...we don't NEEEEEEEDDD him. I'm not completely sold on Benzema. French strikers have a way of looking like Pele+Maradonna+Ronaldo incarnate in France then flopping really hard in a tougher league *cough*cough*henry*cisse*cough*cough. I won't mind seeing Benzema eleswhere....at least for a little while :1old:
it seem Maldini has reached an agreement with Milan, to play a next year.
Now we can sell Simic'
Gio-mania
06-06-2008, 10:29
what we REALLY NEED now is a powerful-big forward. Gomez, Adebayor, Drogba etc.
ronaldinho is not a need, but he would be welcome to join. we do however have a lack in AMF's, now that Gourcuff is out. Dunno if there are any other worthwhile or interesting players in that position, esp. one that can take a leading role.... we are linked to moutinho - but i dont think he is ready for a starting/rotation with seedorf spot on the team. Mancini from AS Roma would be an awesome buy, the price must be high though.
Tottenham bought Giovanni Dos Santos from barįa.... (http://www.gazzetta.it/Calcio/Calciomercato/Primo_Piano/2008/06_Giugno/06/giovanidossantos.shtml) the article also says that this could make way for the sale of Berbatov.
Gabriel489
06-06-2008, 10:31
WEll, Trez did pretty well in Italy and if Benzema is anything like Trez, then he is a better 40M buy then Adebayor. I am still not too sure about Adebayor as he really only has one good season in EPL. With the comments that Torres made, I think striker in EPL seems to have it easier than Series A.
As much as I am tired of saying it and I know Brasileiro will agree with me, I believe we're really limiting Kaka by playing him as a striker. Although his finishing is one of his best assets, I believe we're really restricting one of the other aspects of his game, his playmaking ability. It would be harder for him to dominate the game from the striker position as he may be isolated from the play. I think he could score just as many goals from the CAM position as from the SS position. Finally playing Kaka as a CAM saves us time/money looking for a proper #10 as don't believe Seedorf is consistent enough for such an important role.
what we REALLY NEED now is a powerful-big forward. Gomez, Adebayor, Drogba etc.
ronaldinho is not a need, but he would be welcome to join. we do however have a lack in AMF's, now that Gourcuff is out. Dunno if there are any other worthwhile or interesting players in that position, esp. one that can take a leading role.... we are linked to moutinho - but i dont think he is ready for a starting/rotation with seedorf spot on the team. Mancini from AS Roma would be an awesome buy, the price must be high though.
Tottenham bought Giovanni Dos Santos from barįa.... (http://www.gazzetta.it/Calcio/Calciomercato/Primo_Piano/2008/06_Giugno/06/giovanidossantos.shtml) the article also says that this could make way for the sale of Berbatov.
I think he is more than ready to be in rotation. A starter, not yet, or only for smaller c\games like coppa, and some uefa cup, but he is definitely ready to come off the bench and provide a instant impact
Ronaldinho is in the lowest of his performance now. The lowest! He even couldnt compete with Dos Santos or Borjkick for 1 spot in forwad department (what ever the spelling) this season! Really afraid he is the next Rivaldo!
Ronaldinho is in the lowest of his performance now. The lowest! He even couldnt compete with Dos Santos or Borjkick for 1 spot in forwad department (what ever the spelling) this season! Really afraid he is the next Rivaldo!
its Bojan Krkic
Huh? Ronaldinho carried barca in 2006/07 with what? his fatty tummy?
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/sport/20...re_is_wei.html
You guys are fast to forget. His form was poor and he was dropped from the starting lineup under the excuse that he has an injury. Then all the nonsense about his fatty tummy, nightlife, missing training sessions......and it all started in 2006 after the world cup. His form has never pick up since then.
Even Messi who was injuried for 3 months that season was deemed a better player and rank higher in personal awards. If anybody carry barca that season, its Messi not ronaldinho. His form has dipped so much that barca is already considering selling him at the end of the season. And we all know how 2007/08 end for him.
If we got him for a good price then its still worth a try else i rather we go for other players on the way up. Gomez, Benzema are young players worth trying for.
With all due respect I don't think I'm the one who's fast to forget. I'm pretty sure that when Ronaldinho was first benched in the fall of 2007, it was like the fifth time in his Barca-career, meaning he was hardly benched (if at all) in the 2006/07 season (which corresponds to my memory).
Also personal awards are hardly anything to go by when assessing a players performance (i.e. Frank Lampard 2005, Zidane 2006). And even then Ronaldinho finished above Messi in the 2006 Player of the Year (which was in the middle of the season in question = 06/07). The 2007 Player of the Year awards (Messi 2nd, Ronnie 5th) was influenced by both players performances in the preceding months, were Messi was the best in the world, and Ronnie was starting to falter.
Some might say this discussion is getting a bit irrelevant, but we are talking about a player heavily linked with us, plus I felt i had to respond once again.
as for Benzema, he is going to explode anywhere he goes, and if it not Milan, you people will be the same one to say, why didnt Milan finalize this deal. The same thing that went for Torres.
Oh Galliani said that last years Mr. X was purchased, and he was (Drum Roll please)
EMERSON
Im not sure are Milan managers just really trying to bring big names into the clb or they are just inactive on the market and not working enough.
Dos Santos went to Tottenham ( which is a good club with a great coach and few great players ), but for around 6mln + 5 after some period of time and considering the ammount of apperances and so on...
Dos Santos was the best young palyer of the young world cup few years ago. He is in bad relations with Rijkaard and so on, but he is an extraordinary palyer who is 19!! I cant believe Milan didnt look for him. He can play 3 roles in Milan ( left wing/second striker, right wing/second striker, and as a classical AM ). Its too weird to me that noone reacted...United, Chalsea, ARSENAL!!, Juve, inter...???
Dossena - an excellent Lb and in future for sure to be a NT player in Italy. Went to L'pool for 10 mln. Milan could have signed him for sure.
now there are "normal" players that can improve our squad, players like: Zapata, Boruc, AQUILANI ( who could leave Roma and could go to Juve - the best young midfielder in Italy...), Vargas ( gone )...and so on...
When Galliani says there are just certain players that can improve Milan that is not true!
And one more time I will say that Gomes in not on the level of Drogba, Adebayor, Benzema, Berbatov... AndRonaldinho is the most talented palyer on earth even with his knees broken, same as Roinaldo. But Ronaldinho is not injured and is 28! Im sure Milan has an agreement with him and I'll be keeping my fingers crossed that this genious wears Milan shirt next season. Ronaldinho is a football God when is 90% fit, no Kaka', C."Ronalo", Messi can match him.
Im not sure are Milan managers just really trying to bring big names into the clb or they are just inactive on the market and not working enough.
Dos Santos went to Tottenham ( which is a good club with a great coach and few great players ), but for around 6mln + 5 after some period of time and considering the ammount of apperances and so on...
Dos Santos was the best young palyer of the young world cup few years ago. He is in bad relations with Rijkaard and so on, but he is an extraordinary palyer who is 19!! I cant believe Milan didnt look for him. He can play 3 roles in Milan ( left wing/second striker, right wing/second striker, and as a classical AM ). Its too weird to me that noone reacted...United, Chalsea, ARSENAL!!, Juve, inter...???
Dossena - an excellent Lb and in future for sure to be a NT player in Italy. Went to L'pool for 10 mln. Milan could have signed him for sure.
now there are "normal" players that can improve our squad, players like: Zapata, Boruc, AQUILANI ( who could leave Roma and could go to Juve - the best young midfielder in Italy...), Vargas ( gone )...and so on...
When Galliani says there are just certain players that can improve Milan that is not true!
And one more time I will say that Gomes in not on the level of Drogba, Adebayor, Benzema, Berbatov... AndRonaldinho is the most talented palyer on earth even with his knees broken, same as Roinaldo. But Ronaldinho is not injured and is 28! Im sure Milan has an agreement with him and I'll be keeping my fingers crossed that this genious wears Milan shirt next season. Ronaldinho is a football God when is 90% fit, no Kaka', C."Ronalo", Messi can match him.
Stop.
Not because a team want you, or makes an offer for you, that means you are going to leave.
Aquilani is not leaving ROMA. END OF DISCUSSION.
bye bye giovanni (http://goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=725745) :kap:
Its not that Juve just made an offer so I said that. Aquilani is in negotiations with Roma for a new contract and Sensi familiy is, for now, resisting to pay as much as he wants. Juve is offering Iaquinta, Marchionni + cash. source: SKYtg24, half an hour ago.
And also about Adebayor: I see some of you speak how he is rough and so on...dpesnt behave nicely. I would really like to see Drogba in Milan, but when you actually came to think about it, maybe Adebayor is the best choice. If Milan wants that tipe of player Adebayor can fufill just that. He has showed he has shot, skill, touch, heads well, has energy and has no fear and has fire in his game. And HE IS 24 years old. Which means Milan could have a top class striker for next 6-7 years. Dont forget that Drogba reached this level of absoulte top football 3 or 4 year ago, and now he is 31...
Its not that Juve just made an offer so I said that. Aquilani is in negotiations with Roma for a new contract and Sensi familiy is, for now, resisting to pay as much as he wants. Juve is offering Iaquinta, Marchionni + cash. source: SKYtg24, half an hour ago.
And also about Adebayor: I see some of you speak how he is rough and so on...dpesnt behave nicely. I would really like to see Drogba in Milan, but when you actually came to think about it, maybe Adebayor is the best choice. If Milan wants that tipe of player Adebayor can fufill just that. He has showed he has shot, skill, touch, heads well, has energy and has no fear and has fire in his game. And HE IS 24 years old. Which means Milan could have a top class striker for next 6-7 years. Dont forget that Drogba reached this level of absoulte top football 3 or 4 year ago, and now he is 31... Don't worry mrki we are idiots (or maybe just me :D ) The other clubs are buying up a storm or at least are hotly linked with GREAT players while we continue to release statements about how we OWN the transfer market etc.
Apparently Tottenham, Barca, Inter, Juve etc are also idiots for buying or pursuing so many players...we're only in june....what Morons :happy: There are clubs that don't even need players that are buying up a storm...'why?' you might ask....well how about an ancient mystical term called 'squad depth' for starters?
Arildonardo
06-06-2008, 11:36
Ronaldinho is in the lowest of his performance now. The lowest! He even couldnt compete with Dos Santos or Borjkick for 1 spot in forwad department (what ever the spelling) this season! Really afraid he is the next Rivaldo!
It's hard to compete for a spot when you're out injured and on top of that want to leave the club...
Its not that Juve just made an offer so I said that. Aquilani is in negotiations with Roma for a new contract and Sensi familiy is, for now, resisting to pay as much as he wants. Juve is offering Iaquinta, Marchionni + cash. source: SKYtg24, half an hour ago.
Hmm, i doubt these news are a coincidence.
Juve are chasing Xabi Alonso as you know. Liverpool allowed Alonso to discuss the personal terms with Juve and they found a mutual understanding. All that is left is Juve and Liverpool to negotiate the price.
Juve offered 15/16m eur while Liverpool are still asking for 20 m eur.
Today i read that Aston Villa accepted Liverpool's offer for Barry.
And also today we hear these news about Juve's latest offer for Aquilani.
Liverpool found a player to replace Alonso while Juve are "trying to buy" Aquilani, who'll cover the same position as Alonso.
Something like this could make Liverpool accept Juve's offer for Alonso (15-16m eur) instead of sticking to the 20m eur they initially asked for.
That's the most logical thinking in this case. The Aquilani rumors are meant to lower Alonso's price.
Yeah, another possibility is that Juve are really going after Aquilani but in that case they'll have to give up on Alonso, and i doubt they'll do that, especially since Alonso and Juve agreed on the wages and everything.
Third option is Juve to buy both of them which is almost impossible because with Camoranesi and Sissoko (and one of Nedved/Giovinco) as sure starters, there is no place in the starting XI for both Alonso and Aquilani.
Also, in order to buy both of them Juve will have to sell players. Trezeguet is the one who'll bring good money to Juve but if Juve give Iaquinta to Roma and sell Trez, then they'll be left with only two attackers.
Liki i said, it's probably a smokescreen and an atempt to lower Alonso's price.
What bothers me is Trez. Yesterday he clearly said that he'll stay and that he doesn't want to leave but Gazzetta keep claiming that Trez is sure to leave Juve for Barca.
Gazzetta aren't Tuttosport or one of those Spanish and English papers who write BS. They are usually well informed.
I'll kill Secco if he sells Trez :D
Gio-mania
06-06-2008, 11:42
excuse my ignorance :confused:, but what type of player is benzema ?? :embarass: is he an inzaghi-trezegol type of player, an allround/mobile forward like sheva, or a power striker like adebayor/drogba etc..?
as for drogba, i agree he is a class player and better than adebayor as of now. but he is 31 yrs old... we always complain that we buy old players, then the same should apply to drogba - he has 2-3 yrs max at top level.... adebayor will most likely improve for some years, and play quality football until 30~33 yrs old. 39M is crazy money i believe, however.
Arsenal previously made a bid of 12M for Zapata, and it was rejected. so we will have to pay some 15M+ for him. I heard that Mexes' clause says he can be bought at 14M, this july. can anyone confirm the mexes' clause thing? and what are your opinions regarding zapata vs. mexes?
personally i have never seen zapata play, but i can say mexes is classs.
Im not sure are Milan managers just really trying to bring big names into the clb or they are just inactive on the market and not working enough.
Dos Santos went to Tottenham ...
Dossena - an excellent Lb and in future for sure to be a NT player in Italy. Went to L'pool for 10 mln. ...
now there are "normal" players that can improve our squad, players like: Zapata, Boruc, AQUILANI ( who could leave Roma and could go to Juve - the best young midfielder in Italy...), Vargas ( gone )...and so on...
...
:5milan:
Same song again ... Milan can't take everybody !! It's not because they don't take guys YOU would like to have in the team that they don't work !! It's quite weird to think like that, we signed 3 players whereas mercato didn't start yet, but they don't work ...
:5milan:
Same song again ... Milan can't take everybody !! It's not because they don't take guys YOU would like to have in the team that they don't work !! It's quite weird to think like that, we signed 3 players whereas mercato didn't start yet, but they don't work ...WE NEVER ASKED FOR EVERYBODY AND WE NEVER ASKED FOR BORRIELLO (Professor XXX) AND FLAMINI. Many didn't want Zambrotta either......"it's like having a million spoons when all you need is a knife" Subsitute 'spoon' with 'CDM', 'knife' with 'left back' and Alanis Morisette actually sings about our transfer campaign !#~%$in IRONIC :5dito:
And for those of you guarding Berlu's purse strings kindly click here (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2008/34/biz_soccer08_Soccer-Team-Valuations_Rank.html)
We are one of the biggest REVENUE earners and we spend as if Berlu had to use his washing machine to wash the squad kits :wallbag:
Don't worry mrki we are idiots (or maybe just me :D ) The other clubs are buying up a storm or at least are hotly linked with GREAT players while we continue to release statements about how we OWN the transfer market etc.
Apparently Tottenham, Barca, Inter, Juve etc are also idiots for buying or pursuing so many players...we're only in june....what Morons :happy: There are clubs that don't even need players that are buying up a storm...'why?' you might ask....well how about an ancient mystical term called 'squad depth' for starters?
Official transfers for the "big" clubs ...
Barcelona: Piqué (MU), Keita (Sevilla), Caceres (Villareal)
Real Madrid: /
Villareal: Llorente (Valladolid), Edmilson (Barcelona), Eguren (Rosenborg)
AS Roma: /
Juventus: Mellberg (Aston Villa), Amauri (Palermo), Almiron (back from Monaco), Marchisio (back from loan in Empoli), Giovinco (idem), Ekdal (Brommapojkarna)
Inter: Adriano (back from loan in Sao Paulo), Acquafresca (back from loan in Cagliori)
Fiorentina: Réveillčre (Lyon), Gilardino (Milan), Melo (Almeria), Jovetic (Belgrade)
Arsenal: Vela (back from loan in Osasuna)
Chelsea: Bosingwa (Porto), Boulahrouz (back from loan in Sevilla)
Liverpool: Degen (Dortmund), probably Dossena
MU: Ramsey (Cardiff)
Milan: Flamini (Arsenal), Abbiati (back from loan in Atletico Madrid), Borriello (back after co-ownership with Genoa), Zambrotta (Barcelona)
So if we don't work, no club is working at the moment !!
I don't care about rumours, it's media sh!t for 90% of them ...
Official transfers for the "big" clubs ...
Barcelona: Piqué (MU), Keita (Sevilla), Caceres (Villareal)
Real Madrid: /
Villareal: Llorente (Valladolid), Edmilson (Barcelona), Eguren (Rosenborg)
AS Roma: /
Juventus: Mellberg (Aston Villa), Amauri (Palermo), Almiron (back from Monaco), Marchisio (back from loan in Empoli), Giovinco (idem), Ekdal (Brommapojkarna)
Inter: Adriano (back from loan in Sao Paulo), Acquafresca (back from loan in Cagliori)
Fiorentina: Réveillčre (Lyon), Gilardino (Milan), Melo (Almeria), Jovetic (Belgrade)
Arsenal: Vela (back from loan in Osasuna)
Chelsea: Bosingwa (Porto), Boulahrouz (back from loan in Sevilla)
Liverpool: Degen (Dortmund), probably Dossena
MU: Ramsey (Cardiff)
Milan: Flamini (Arsenal), Abbiati (back from loan in Atletico Madrid), Borriello (back after co-ownership with Genoa), Zambrotta (Barcelona)
So if we don't work, no club is working at the moment !!
I don't care about rumours, it's media sh!t for 90% of them ...When will you understand that we're talking about the QUALITY of the arrivals :scream:?
Barca gets rid of Zambrotta because he is clearly deteriorating
guess who we get?
Real Madrid did the same thing with Ronaldo and Emerson
For those who keep overrating Flamini...personally I'd adopt a wait-and see attitude before lavishing my praise. This was the same player that Wenger found no place for last season. I'm not saying that he isn't good/going to improve though.
We tried to get Borriello playing time all over Italy. Meanwhile most of the other clubs are lineing up for superstars or at least very good players in the positions that they lack :stupid:
When will you understand that we're talking about the QUALITY of the arrivals :scream:?
So we get no quality compared to others ??
When I watch, FOR MOMENT, mercatos from the others clubs, I don't see more quality than in our mercato. I can also tell you that I see less quality, again for moment, in English clubs mercatos, Juv/Inter/Roma (of course, noone yet for Roma) mercatos, Barcelona/Real/Villareal mercatos too ...
The only club already doing an amazing mercato in Europe is Fiorentina. Of course, my statement is only "for moment".
So I don't see any need to cry like babies ... it's quite unpleasant to read.
Russo-Neri
06-06-2008, 12:24
in forwad department (what ever the spelling)
It's "forward"
:dielaugh: only kidding, I knew you meant Bojan.....
Mr. Anonymous
06-06-2008, 12:38
Official transfers for the "big" clubs ...
Barcelona: Piqué (MU), Keita (Sevilla), Caceres (Villareal)
Real Madrid: /
Villareal: Llorente (Valladolid), Edmilson (Barcelona), Eguren (Rosenborg)
AS Roma: /
Juventus: Mellberg (Aston Villa), Amauri (Palermo), Almiron (back from Monaco), Marchisio (back from loan in Empoli), Giovinco (idem), Ekdal (Brommapojkarna)
Inter: Adriano (back from loan in Sao Paulo), Acquafresca (back from loan in Cagliori)
Fiorentina: Réveillčre (Lyon), Gilardino (Milan), Melo (Almeria), Jovetic (Belgrade)
Arsenal: Vela (back from loan in Osasuna)
Chelsea: Bosingwa (Porto), Boulahrouz (back from loan in Sevilla)
Liverpool: Degen (Dortmund), probably Dossena
MU: Ramsey (Cardiff)
Milan: Flamini (Arsenal), Abbiati (back from loan in Atletico Madrid), Borriello (back after co-ownership with Genoa), Zambrotta (Barcelona)
So if we don't work, no club is working at the moment !!
I don't care about rumours, it's media sh!t for 90% of them ...
None of the teams you mentioned need to do as nearly as much work in the market as we do, as they all finished in respectable positions in the table.
They also didn't need to address their striking positions as we do.
If you post the transactions that Fiorentina and Tottenham during the transfer market. They were both quick to address the BIGGEST NEEDS of their team.
Our club is doing a lot of window shopping when it comes to players we need buy, and buying players in positions that we really have covered. And aren't we linked with Veloso too?
Modric & Dos Santos to Totteham, Vargas & Gila to Fiorentina...I admire that these teams don't talk...they just go out and get the players they need!!!
I'm pretty happy about things thus far...i wish we could trim the fat a bit, make a few more replacements.
i've always wanted milan to buy some crafty wingers, but i've realized that is not going to happen because that is not the current style of play, so there is no point in pushing for those things. as far as forwards go, i'd rather take a chance on huntelaar (and we have a year to develop him for CL) than drogba or adebayor. well, i'd take adebayor but drogba just makes me want to barf, i would have a seriously hard time watching him.
my other main concern is with gattuso, as he cannot pass the ball, therefore deploying him as a right midfielder is a bit of a waste. i'm a bit nervous about our overall midfield creativity once we get past kaka' and pirlo and seedorf. just one mid to take the pressure out of the center might be a nice thing to work with, especially since we saw how painful it was to operate this year with wingbacks who weren't up to the task.
Forza Milan, up yours splInter!
Modric & Dos Santos to Totteham, Vargas & Gila to Fiorentina...I admire that these teams don't talk...they just go out and get the players they need!!!
Not official yet, so doesn't count ...
Mr. Anonymous
06-06-2008, 12:49
Not official yet, so doesn't count ...
Okay take out Vargas.:kap:...I think you understand my point.;)
Gabriel489
06-06-2008, 12:52
The thing is that people here would like Amuari instead of Borreillo. To me, when given play time, I think Borreillo is a better striker than Amuari.
Secondly, I understand why people want Milan to sign him and him and him NOW. But u must understand that it takes time for a proper transfer to take place. Of all the players who HAD OFFICIALLY SIGNED with a new team, who do u think is A MUST for Milan to sign? Amuari, he is no better than Borreillo, since he will be a forth striker with Milan. Power striker =#1, Pato=#2, Pippo=#4. Revelliere is a pure RB, and to be honest, I still rate Zambro over him, and Bonera also, b/c he has been playing in Italy all his career and in Milan for the past 2 years. So if Milan sign Revelliere, he will be fighting the #3 RB spot with Oddo. Which Oddo will have the advantage. That means, no point in signing him. Amelia is no better than Abbiati. Of all those players, the only player I would say Milan missed out is Melberg, b/c he will bring leadership and exp to the back four, but then again, don't we have Nesta and Maldini for that. As for Dessena, Janku is a much better player than he is and Vargas is still available, whom to say that Milan is not working it out with Vargas, remember the Nesta's deal. Even if Xavi signed with Juve, do you think MIlan missed out on signing him or they just didn't bother approaching him. Tony29, being a Juve fan, if Flamini actually signed with Juve, do you think Juve will still go after Xavi? As for Dos Santos, he wanted play time, something that clubs like MU, us or any other teams could not promise. Thats why he chosed a mid-table team.
I know the transfer season is fun and all, but to be honest, there are still many many many players out there, here is a list:
R10, Sheva, Drogba, Gomez, RVN, Adebayor, Quad(Samp forward), Eto, Sauzo, Crespo, Robino, Podolski, Lampard, Dossena, Marquez, Xavi, Diarra, C7, Cirgani, Maggio, Tiago, Zapata, Vargas, Dessena, Cannini, Mexes, Ferrarri....
Don't worry now until teams are signing Drogba, Mexes, Diarra, C7...and Milan ended up with calling players back from loan.
Cheers
When will you understand that we're talking about the QUALITY of the arrivals :scream:?
Barca gets rid of Zambrotta because he is clearly deteriorating
guess who we get?
Real Madrid did the same thing with Ronaldo and Emerson
I bet you would have had included Pirlo, Seedorf et al. if they weren't in the starting lineup.
Not sure about zambrotta clearly deteriorating when he played well with the national team.
If it's a matter of quality then I can assure you that a lot of players have quality. The key is whether: we can bring the quality out from them (coach, system, tactics etc.).
I bet you would have had included Pirlo, Seedorf et al. if they weren't in the starting lineup.
Not sure about zambrotta clearly deteriorating when he played well with the national team.
If it's a matter of quality then I can assure you that a lot of players have quality. The key is whether: we can bring the quality out from them (coach, system, tactics etc.).
I was speaking about the ARRIVALS. Instead of hoping to MAKE quality....why not just BUY quality. It's what big clubs do. For many of our signings of late WE TRIED TO MAKE QUALITY :v46:....e.g. Olivera, Vogel,
I concede that BUYING quality is harder than it sounds because we all thought that's was what we were getting in buying Gila but surely it can't be ALL BAD!!
Zambrotta IS deteriorating speed wise and stamina wise two of the most vital qualities for today's left backs. It's only natural...
My point is take a look at the repalcements:
Barca: Zmabrotta -Alves :eek:
Madrid: Ronaldo-RVN, Higuain; Emerson-Diarra, Gago
We have had NO REPLACEMENTS for Cafu/Stam on the right...and NONE for Serginho/Paolo on the left.
While I maintain that ronaldo is the best player in the history of the entire universe...Real have done the smart thing in acquiring a more reliable striker Then kicking out the less reliable one. No gambles. Just straight up buisness. I will gamble with Ronaldo until he can't walk again....but I'm sure most of us want a BIG NAME (NAME= RERUTATION) striker and Borriello isn't yet this.
Gabriel489, i may be wrong but i believe that if Milan bought Amauri, he would have been a sure starter this season (unless he flopped later).
Borriello is everything but a sure starter.
I'm aware that Borriello scored more goals than Amauri this season but i strongly believe that classes separate the two players and the Brazilian is playing football at a different level than Borriello.
I'm not being biased at all here, btw :)
Personal rivalries aside I still think Dos Santos is one of the most overrated player in the world, why would Barcelona sell him if he was such a phenomenal player? Let me tell you why because he was all hype, on the pitch all he could do was pass it back and then pass it back, I can't believe some fans wanted to go for him. Another thing he's way too light weight and will be eaten alive by the PL defense.
Personal rivalries aside I still think Dos Santos is one of the most overrated player in the world, why would Barcelona sell him if he was such a phenomenal player? Let me tell you why because he was all hype, on the pitch all he could do was pass it back and then pass it back, I can't believe some fans wanted to go for him. Another thing he's way too light weight and will be eaten alive by the PL defense.
From what i've seen from him in Barcelona, i agree with you.
Although, i must add that the kid played some nice football and was one of the best 3 young players at the u20 world cup last summer.
He has the talent as seen from his performances at the youth WC, but he's shown nothing of his talent in Barcelona.
But Ghost, it must be said that Tottenham didn't take a risk with this purchase. Ģ4.7m isn't too much money. Even if he's a complete flop Tottenham don't lose much but they can gain a lot if he succeeds. He is just 19 and he was one of the best 3 young players in the world only 1 year ago.
I agree that he's hyped but there is still hope that he can be a success.
From what i've seen from him in Barcelona, i agree with you.
Although, i must add that the kid played some nice football and was one of the best 3 young players at the u20 world cup last summer.
He has the talent as seen from his performances at the youth WC, but he's shown nothing of his talent in Barcelona.
But Ghost, it must be said that Tottenham didn't take a risk with this purchase. Ģ4.7m isn't too much money. Even if he's a complete flop Tottenham don't lose much but they can gain a lot if he succeeds. He is just 19 and he was one of the best 3 young players in the world only 1 year ago.
I agree that he's hyped but there is still hope that he can be a success.
That is the point. For that price I would take him instantly without overthinking it. He didnt do well in his first Barcelona season, so what? he is 19 and was one of the worlds best young palyers, he knows how to play football well.
From what i've seen from him in Barcelona, i agree with you.
Although, i must add that the kid played some nice football and was one of the best 3 young players at the u20 world cup last summer.
He has the talent as seen from his performances at the youth WC, but he's shown nothing of his talent in Barcelona.
But Ghost, it must be said that Tottenham didn't take a risk with this purchase. Ģ4.7m isn't too much money. Even if he's a complete flop Tottenham don't lose much but they can gain a lot if he succeeds. He is just 19 and he was one of the best 3 young players in the world only 1 year ago.
I agree that he's hyped but there is still hope that he can be a success.
I also watched the U20 World Cup last summer and I kept a look out for Vela - both players play for the same national team and I did see glimpses of potential in Santos but we all know potential is one thing and delivering another. This season though he did not impress me one bit, like I mentioned before he was all hype but at the same time he's young.
Tony I know what you mean when you say they didn't take a risk at nearly 5 Million but the fee could rise to 9 Million and trust me if he becomes a hit over the next season when a big club comes knocking on his door he's off. It will be cool watching him and Vela play this season, Carlos has been playing out of position on the wing so can't wait to see him upfront.
its Bojan Krkic
Thank you, Flamini. :v103:
It's "forward"
:dielaugh: only kidding, I knew you meant Bojan.....
Yes, I wrote the bracket in wrong position. :D
I'm aware that Borriello scored more goals than Amauri this season but i strongly believe that classes separate the two players and the Brazilian is playing football at a different level than Borriello.
I agree with you that Amauri is another level than Boriello as they are different in style plus Amauri has more skill on playing the ball but I do think Amauri is overrated player. He sounds already world class player but the true he is not yet world class player.
He is still the best forward among mediocre forwards,but not even the worst among the WC class forwards.
I really dont care that he signed with Juve or even Inter and that Milan failed to sign him but I do care Milan signed back Boriello (keep thinking why this can happen :noevil2:).
I really hope Galliani has something in his brain regarding Boriello's situation (that he will sell Boriello to other club hopefully).
but I do think Amauri is overrated player.
He is overrated, indeed.
I'm not talking about his qualities because i don't think people rate him as high as they rate Drogba or Eto'o or other similar players. I believe people are fair when they describe Amauri and his good/bad things. He is a very very good forward, who has great technique, scores some beautiful goals and who's great in the air, but he lacks something the other top strikers have.
But if we talk about his price then he's certainly overrated. I mean, almost 23m euro. That price tag is sick.
Yeah, i know that it's very hard to find good attackers and they are always the most expensive ones, but the market for attackers is getting crazy and every attacker out there is overpriced.
I know you guys here love to criticize your board, but you must understand how hard it is to find a top attacker. Juve payed 23m for Amauri, who can easily find himself on the bench (ok, they didn't pay 23m, but they payed 12m+players, but nevertheless the total is 23m). Milan need a first team striker, a great one, and there aren't many top attackers out there. There are only few and most of them aren't for sale.
You had to pay 24m for Gila and 20m for Oliveira (including Vogel) and you got burnt.
Now you can't find an attacker who costs less than 20m eur, while the best ones cost 30-40m. (Adebayor's price is 40m ??? what are they thinking? )
I can understand the Milan fans and their wishes for top class striker but i can also understand your board for being careful.
40M requires only 3 spaces to type here. That's why we think it's easy for the board to cash out money like that ;).
@Tony29
I agree with all in your last post.
I still believe in Milan management, I only complain how Galliani words about mercato Milan's done this year.
Warro Bantan
06-06-2008, 17:26
So, Galliani say Gomez an Berbatov are tgts too? Of course $heva is mentioned :moan:...but I am good with either Gomez or Adebayor....Berb and Drog dont have the mental fortitude at the highest level...Drogba because of his red card, and Berb because he hangs his head too easily.
Would take the German over the Togo intl, (Thats where Adebayor is from rite?) again because I think he is a better all-round player.
Ok Galliani, looks like you left me on the beach to look at the girls...no prob bro! Go do some work!
So, Galliani say Gomez an Berbatov are tgts too? Of course $heva is mentioned :moan:...but I am good with either Gomez or Adebayor....Berb and Drog dont have the mental fortitude at the highest level...Drogba because of his red card, and Berb because he hangs his head too easily.
Would take the German over the Togo intl, (Thats where Adebayor is from rite?) again because I think he is a better all-round player.
Ok Galliani, looks like you left me on the beach to look at the girls...no prob bro! Go do some work!
yes he is from togo.
and there is no chance to land ade. Wenger will not sell him to Milan, expecially after we "stole" Flamini from them
What is tgts? Sorry, I only know few abbreviations.
Warro Bantan
06-06-2008, 17:50
Tgts=targets
@ Payne: agreed...I have little hope Arsenal will sell him....unless of course he demands a move, which I also don't see happening...but u never kno...:dontkn:
_MaJi_tz
06-06-2008, 17:54
Milan-Eto'o si tratta. Bronzetti 'Incontro con l'agente'
23:08 del 06 giugno
Il Milan parla con Eto'o. I rossoneri hanno incontrato oggi il manager dell'attaccante. Le parti hanno discusso su un possibile accordo di 4 anni per 5 milioni a stagione, come confermato da Ernesto Bronzetti in serata a Sky: "Autorizzati dal Barcellona abbiam incontrato l'agente di Eto'o. L'accordo di base č di 4 o 5 anni. Se troviamo l'accordo con il giocatore andiamo a trattare con i catalani".
calciomercato.it
transl is something like this
Milan-Eto'o draft. Bronzetti “Encounter with the agent”
23:08 of the 06 june
The Milan speaks with Eto'o. The rossoneri have met today the manager of the forward. The parts have discussed on a possible agreement of 4 years for 5 million to season, like confirmed from Ernesto Bronzetti in evening to Sky: " Authorized from Barcelona abbiam met the agent of Eto'o. The base agreement is of 4 or 5 years. If we find the agreement with the player we go to dealing with the cataloni".
FIORENTINA, Mutu is on the market, Milan want him too
07.06.2008 00.00 by Marco Gori read 5
The salary augmentation required by Adrian Mutu to Fiorentina is pratically a request of leaving the club; the rumanian star has always declared that money is not important for him but probbaly things have changed, expecially after he seems to have lost the 12 million Euros lawsuit against Chelsea. In any case, after the player's agent has asked Fiorentina to rise Mutu's salary up to 4 million Euros per year, SportS Director Pantaleo Corvino has already made an evaluation for the player: between 25 and 30 million Euros; probably behind the player's attitude there is already a negotiation with another club, probably from Germany, but a transfer to AC Milan, that could offer 15 millions plus Brocchi or Bonera, is also a possibility.
Egoistka
06-06-2008, 17:56
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Akinfeev -------> Is he available in the market (Never heard any news off late)
Akinfeev is not for sale now, unless CSKA gets a very good offer (financially) and Akinfeev would want to go to that club...he ll stay in CSKA
Warro Bantan
06-06-2008, 18:10
Hmmmm Mutu...now he would be a good addition...makes for some interesting considerations....but R10 is still better, if arguably a greater risk...
I really have to think about this! (Even if Mutu's arrival is a long shot)
I dont really agree with the idea of signing Mutu as news said. He is a support striker who I think can't play well Seedorf's position (behind a striker) when Milan need to play 1-striker formation.
I do think that we need a player who can play Seedorf's position and a big central forward. They are : Ronaldinho and Drogba/Gomez. :D
@Warro
Thanks for the answer.
Mr. Anonymous
06-06-2008, 18:31
He is overrated, indeed.
I'm not talking about his qualities because i don't think people rate him as high as they rate Drogba or Eto'o or other similar players. I believe people are fair when they describe Amauri and his good/bad things. He is a very very good forward, who has great technique, scores some beautiful goals and who's great in the air, but he lacks something the other top strikers have.
But if we talk about his price then he's certainly overrated. I mean, almost 23m euro. That price tag is sick.
Yeah, i know that it's very hard to find good attackers and they are always the most expensive ones, but the market for attackers is getting crazy and every attacker out there is overpriced.
I know you guys here love to criticize your board, but you must understand how hard it is to find a top attacker. Juve payed 23m for Amauri, who can easily find himself on the bench (ok, they didn't pay 23m, but they payed 12m+players, but nevertheless the total is 23m). Milan need a first team striker, a great one, and there aren't many top attackers out there. There are only few and most of them aren't for sale.
You had to pay 24m for Gila and 20m for Oliveira (including Vogel) and you got burnt.
Now you can't find an attacker who costs less than 20m eur, while the best ones cost 30-40m. (Adebayor's price is 40m ??? what are they thinking? )
I can understand the Milan fans and their wishes for top class striker but i can also understand your board for being careful.
I agree with you NOW we have to be careful.
We got burnt because management tried to take the easy way out after Sheva left by buying Oliviera. Gila was brought in while Sheva still was here.
So when Sheva left you don't buy Oliviera to fill the void. That was when they should have bought a proven striker. Then last year they didn't want to buy Toni although he agreed to come. So he goes to the Germany to be come their leading scorer.
Now we need a number one more than ever in recent history. Every club in Europe knows it, they see how frugal we've been and now want to make sure we pay. Unbiasedly, I'd have to say I'd so the same thing to Milan.
They can be as careful as they want, just about any striker is going to be a risk, and most teams are going to want BIG $$$$$$ from us and I don't blame them.
Management has made this bed, they have to lay in it, and no one is willing to give them a blanket or a pillow.
Now they should just shell out some dough and get a WC striker before they waste anymore money on a dud!
Mr. Anonymous
06-06-2008, 18:36
yes he is from togo.
and there is no chance to land ade. Wenger will not sell him to Milan, expecially after we "stole" Flamini from them
You're right, and I'm sure Barca also feel that we're screwing them over with this R10 situation. We also made a fortune off of selling Sheva. R. Madrid don't like us because of the Kaka situation. (and maybe even the way the Ronaldo deal went down)
In short I can totally understand why other big teams play hard ball with us.
R. Madrid don't like us because of the Kaka situation. (and maybe even the way the Ronaldo deal went down)
There must be something so wrong with this statement. How can Madrid hate us? We actually should hate Madrid, not the vise versa!
We all know how terrible Madrid's behaviour these two years regarding their boards (management) comments to media like chasing unfairly Kaka, Fabregas and the lattest is Ronaldo. Madrid almost break their relationship with ManU if Madrid's uncivilized president didnt take back his words about Ronaldo.
In short I can totally understand why other big teams play hard ball with us.
I cant understand that.
The transfer market is pure about money. Just look at Palermo's president who said that he wont deal with Milan anymore but we already saw that he wanted to deal with us to sell Amauri.
If money is available, the discussion can begin. Money talks!
Plus we are a respectable club. We are not Inter Merda nor Real Merda (first time I use this word lol)!
Mr. Anonymous
06-06-2008, 19:00
There must be something so wrong with this statement. How can Madrid hate us? We actually should hate Madrid, not the vise versa!
We all know how terrible Madrid's behaviour these two years regarding their boards (management) comments to media like chasing unfairly Kaka, Fabregas and the lattest is Ronaldo. Madrid almost break their relationship with ManU if Madrid's uncivilized president didnt take back his words about Ronaldo.
I cant understand that.
The transfer market is pure about money. Just look at Palermo's president who said that he wont deal with Milan anymore but we already saw that he wanted to deal with us to sell Amauri.
If money is available, the discussion can begin. Money talks!
Plus we are a respectable club. We are not Inter Merda nor Real Merda (first time I use this word lol)!
I just think the whole situation frustated the hell out of them, and so they would do the same to us if there was any player that we wanted to sign from them.
But you're right...they brought that pie on their face to themselves.:5130:
They were asses.:5horse:
Bye Bye Danni Alves :(
:kap:
Daniel Alves has officially signed for Barca.
as far as Mutu goes, i wanted him last year.
This year however, im not so interested in his services.
Daniel Alves has officially signed for Barca.
it's very early in the season
relax our management has it under control
we are the world champs
shut up and ba contented with our past victories
berlu bought mvb, seedorf, sheva, kaka, pato, pirlo, Ibrahim Ba etc
Daniel Alves is overrated
he's too expensive
we need more CDM's
he's bound to fail in Serie A
Favalli is better
Gabriel489
06-06-2008, 21:11
D. Alves was never ever being consider by Milan. And pls don't say stuff like Milan got Zamrbo instead of D. Alves... As I am sure if Milan is to get D. Alves, then we can all kiss R10, Gomez, Drogba, Eto goodbye.
I am not sweating over the D. Alves signing as Milan never consider signing him.
Tony29, well, to be honest, if Amauri is to sign for Milan as a first striker, then I guess I am happy that he signed with Juve. As I really don't believe he can handles being the first striker in Milan, just look at Gila.
slifersd
06-06-2008, 21:14
it's very early in the season
relax our management has it under control
we are the world champs
shut up and ba contented with our past victories
berlu bought mvb, seedorf, sheva, kaka, pato, pirlo, Ibrahim Ba etc
Daniel Alves is overrated
he's too expensive
we need more CDM's
he's bound to fail in Serie A
Favalli is better
You forgot to add number 11. Zambrotta is a world champion while Alves hasn't won a thing at international level.
Lebanese
06-06-2008, 21:33
You forgot to add number 11. Zambrotta is a world champion while Alves hasn't won a thing at international level.
True plus zambrotta is better like it or not, he is ways better and honestly i cant stand a player like alves. now zambo is a milan player there is no use to talk about him just judge when u see him not performing wearing ur shirt.
secondly if you spend your whole life time talking about management and how they react its not gonna change a thing.
so forgive forget forgive .... be a man not a child.
slifersd
06-06-2008, 22:18
True plus zambrotta is better like it or not, he is ways better and honestly i cant stand a player like alves. now zambo is a milan player there is no use to talk about him just judge when u see him not performing wearing ur shirt.
secondly if you spend your whole life time talking about management and how they react its not gonna change a thing.
so forgive forget forgive .... be a man not a child.
You know, I too liked Zambrotta a lot. He was a great player and we should have signed him years ago. The problem with his signing is that he is already 31 years old. For a wing back, we should understand that he probably only has 2-3 years worth of usefulness left. If we are going to sign somebody to add to this already ancient team, why would we choose another old player instead of a young one? I don't necessarily think Alves is the best RB in the world but his age fits our needs so well and he is also a great player that is good enough to wear a Milan shirt. By the way, why don't you like him? What did he ever do to you to promote such hatred toward him?
As far as your second point goes, I was just expressing myself. I know it's not going to change anything. After all, it's not like the management ever listen to what the fans say anyway. They are stuck in their own mode (whatever the hell that might be) and will not be influenced by anyone. What you have to understand, however, is that for one to forgive you and forget what you did, you actually have to stop making mistakes. If you make the same mistakes over and over and over, how can you expect others to forgive you? I was willing to forgive them, but then they give me yet another lousy mercato to remind me why I was upset to begin with. I don't know about you, but I can't forget things that easily.
So everyone agrees our first priorit signing should be a tall strong centre forward.....
We heard the names of Drogba, Adebayor, Amauri, Eto'o, Gomez etc.
We missed one guy.....SANTA CRUZ !!!!!! Man....he was simply superb with Blackburn Rovers...Why not get him....
secondly if you spend your whole life time talking about management and how they react its not gonna change a thing.
What you've written here not gonna change anything. What we write here not gonna change anything. We only can write and write. Nothing more.
so forgive forget forgive .... be a man not a child.
staying quiet doesnt mean a man. keep moaning about management doenst mean a child or even baby cry like someone wrote.
If we dont agree with other opinion, pls dont tell the persons with whom we dont agree are child, baby cry, etc.
True plus zambrotta is better like it or not, he is ways better and honestly i cant stand a player like alves. now zambo is a milan player there is no use to talk about him just judge when u see him not performing wearing ur shirt.
secondly if you spend your whole life time talking about management and how they react its not gonna change a thing.
so forgive forget forgive .... be a man not a child.The only one here being childish is you with your baseless statements and wild accusations. Probably when your seeds drop you can explain what Alves has done that was so wrong? Be THE BEST FULLBACK IN THE WORLD? Be freakishly fast? Take good freekicks? Decent crosser :dontkn:
This is OT but you must read it to see how unreliable Goal.com are.(look at the bolded words)
At 00:00 this article appeared on goal.com :
...
So i write to goal.com telling them that Bulgarian authorities have nothing to do with Romanian league and that it was Rapid Bucarest who are next in line after Steaua because they finished 3rd while Dinamo finished 4th.
After few hours the old article disappears and i new article pops up.
Here is the new article :
...
Lol, they didn't even check before they wrote the first article.
I speak Romanian and i checked all Romanian sports newspapers and i saw the same thing everywhere. Rapid want to play CL and they're only waiting to see the result of Steaua's appeal. How did Goal.com come up with the stuff that they don't want CL, i'll never know.
These are cruel jokes on Milan fans. I knew that goal.com aren't reliable but after this i think i'll stop reading their site.
usually i just read goal.com to laugh. and just believe them if the article is marked by the word OFFICIAL on the title. or written also in channel 4 (but in many cases i still doubt them too). goal.com is very crap. and Tony29 i appreciate your effort to find the truth for us. two thumbs up for you :star: the most intelligent Milan fan that i've ever knew. what an insult by goal.com :mad:
the most intelligent Milan fan that i've ever knew. what an insult by goal.com :mad:
I dont agree!!!! Because he is not Milan fan! :D
Gabriel489
07-06-2008, 01:14
Deep inside Tony is a MILAN fan, he just does not want to admit it b/c he is afraid we will make fun of him.
rosoneri_11
07-06-2008, 01:19
I will said it again like i said it with Oddo.Zambrotta is a very good RB but he is 31, in 1 or 2 years Milan will have again problem in the place he will be used to play and then Milan will again need another new full back.So bying a full back without future is transfer without a point.I would prefer Miguel from Valencia than Zambrotta, the guy has future and the other is close to the end of is carrier.
Daniel Alves is the best RB on the world, whoever you ask wich is the best for his position everyone will say Alves not Zambrotta. Someone said he he has not won anything in international level.I will say he is part of national team of Brazil, he is only 24 and im sure he will win 1 or maybe more world cups with Brazil wich is the Best team on history of national teams.I also have to say that he is 24 years old and he has won 2 UEFA cups and 1 european super cup and he is still 24 playing in a club called Sevilla and not Milan,Juventus or Real Madrid were you can win more things every year.
He is better than Zambro we had to realise that.
Come on!
Keep thinking positively! We will sign Alves WHEN he is 32 years old! Not bad though! :haha::haha::haha::haha:
rosoneri_11
07-06-2008, 01:30
Come on!
Keep thinking positively! We will sign Alves WHEN he is 32 years old! Not bad though! :haha::haha::haha::haha:
A.C. MILAN OFFICIAL NOTE
6/6/2008
MILAN - A.C. Milan communicate that Captain Paolo Maldini's contract has been extended to 30 June 2009.
Yes and when he will come we will have 2 legend backs. Alves RB 32year old and Maldini 50+!I don't believe Maldini will never retire! Wow im trhilled! :D :rotfl:
Galiani: We rule the market! :dstup:
Gabriel489
07-06-2008, 01:49
Lets say u r right and Alves is the best RB in the world.
So what? The point is that Milan never approach him even after playing against him.
I don't know why but they did not. No point getting upset over someone whom we never wanted. Or maybe u r piss that Milan should have gone after him in the first place but they didn't. So GET OVER IT.
Beside, Contra was young and won UEFA CUP too before he came to Milan, wondering where he is playing now.
Lets say u r right and Alves is the best RB in the world.
So what? The point is that Milan never approach him even after playing against him.
I don't know why but they did not. No point getting upset over someone whom we never wanted. Or maybe u r piss that Milan should have gone after him in the first place but they didn't. So GET OVER IT.
Beside, Contra was young and won UEFA CUP too before he came to Milan, wondering where he is playing now.
come on man, all (well most) of the members here are scouts, they know which players Milan needs:v46:
Gabriel489
07-06-2008, 02:00
I really did not know that some of you are scouts for Milan. Maybe I should agree with people more then, that way I can get a job at Milan or some team.
rosoneri_11
07-06-2008, 02:56
Lets say u r right and Alves is the best RB in the world.
So what? The point is that Milan never approach him even after playing against him.
I don't know why but they did not. No point getting upset over someone whom we never wanted. Or maybe u r piss that Milan should have gone after him in the first place but they didn't. So GET OVER IT.
Beside, Contra was young and won UEFA CUP too before he came to Milan, wondering where he is playing now.
So what? So we can't say that we lost the best RB and we bought their old back, we can't talk that he would be great if we had sign him first, we can't say that we all wanted him very much to be our player.We are in transfer's thread and everyone is talking about transfers, everyone wanted that player as the ideal RB of Milan and now that we saw him sign for another team what we can do?To say nothing?If we can't speak here about those things when were we can?
As for Contra, Alves won 2 times the UEFA cup and 1 european super cup.But how can you compare contra with alves?Was ever Contra supposed to be world best back? NEVER!
Gabriel489
07-06-2008, 03:23
Well, did I imply u to say nothing??? Just that don't work up too much about it, bro.
Was Maggio playing on the wing for Sampdoria or at RB? Basically what i'm asking is could our defence be Zambrotta, ????, Nesta, Maggio for next season?
I still think we should sign Anyukov, the Zenit St. Petersburg RB, he's the closest alternative to Alves there is, plus he'd be alot lot cheaper. I'd like to think we could get him and Zapata for around Ģ15 million in total. It's alot of money, but i think it's worth the outlay.
A possible Zambrotta, Zapata, Nesta, Anyukov back line could be very strong. We could then play Maggio further forward.
rosoneri_11
07-06-2008, 03:42
Well, did I imply u to say nothing??? Just that don't work up too much about it, bro.
I just wanted to say that in that thread we can say a lot of things around transfer talk mate. ;)
he is a good RB(Alves) but he sure isnt the best out there...
Im ok with the fact that Malkdini will paly on, its not the problem in Milan.
And Zambrotta is an excellent signing for 2 or 3 years, he will play superb football in Milan. But people are trying to say that maybe we could have bought Alves ALSO, why not? And why wouldnt people complain if they want? Or we shhould just close the thread and re-open it just after we officially sign some player?
Alves is THE BEST right back in the world, aldough, I will saay again, when zambrotta was in his last Juve days, he was even better then Alves now.
And that player from Zenith - he is less expencive becouse he has far less quality!!
Milan has done good job with Flamini and Zambrotta, but to claim that Abbiatti and Boriello are good transfers is insanity.
P.S.
Cassano is kicking ass in Italia training camp, the man plays like in the old days. Which is not strange becouse he is top class player.
ALso, Im surprised noone mentioned that Milan ( Galliani ) apparently had face to face deal with Eto'o and that now Milan will negotiate with Barcelona for him.
If Milan sign Eto'o, the strategy changes and we loose the "taret man", but we will have probably the fastest trident up front in the world: KAka'-Eto'o-Pato. Which can be suefull exploiting WIDE areas which we failed during this whole season.
rosoneri_11
07-06-2008, 05:10
Eto is a world class striker, for me it would be a dream to sign him.I think he would be the ideal striker for Milan.
Imagine if we loose him and inter sign him what an attacking duo he would make with Zlatan..............it would be the best duo attack on the world.
_MaJi_tz
07-06-2008, 05:29
BRAIDA: "No a Moutinho e Veloso"
07.06.2008 12.20 di Milannews Redazione
Il direttore generale del Milan, Ariedo Braida ha rilasciato un'intervista al quotidiano portoghese "Record": "Veloso? Moutinho? Il Milan non č interessato all'acquisto di nessun giocatore portoghese. Non c'č assolutamente nulla di vero in queste voci". In realtā il procuratore di Miguel Veloso, Paulo Barbosa, aveva rilasciato in esclusiva a TMW delle dichiarazioni in tutt'altro senso: pretattica rossonera?
Braida said for Port paper that we are not interested in Velso and Moutinho but 2 days ago Velsoīs agent said that they have metting with Milan...
Cassano is kicking ass in Italia training camp, the man plays like in the old days. Which is not strange becouse he is top class player.
ALso, Im surprised noone mentioned that Milan ( Galliani ) apparently had face to face deal with Eto'o and that now Milan will negotiate with Barcelona for him.
If Milan sign Eto'o, the strategy changes and we loose the "taret man", but we will have probably the fastest trident up front in the world: KAka'-Eto'o-Pato. Which can be suefull exploiting WIDE areas which we failed during this whole season.
We don't know if it is true for Eto'o (why they would say to medias we are negociating with him ? To let other clubs stealing him ?) but there's something I'd like to know before we say if it is a good thing or a bad thing: what about his problem with justice ?? Because if we buy Eto'o and in 3 months he has to go in jail ... umh lol, that wouldn't be very smart.
For Cassano, he's back to his old days in football but also mentally, I'll never understand that guy, there is something missing in his brain ...
He could be one of the best strikers in world, easily in Top 3 (I remember some of his matches when he was in Roma) nowadays but he's one of the most stupid football players too, it's sad.
usually i just read goal.com to laugh. and just believe them if the article is marked by the word OFFICIAL on the title. or written also in channel 4 (but in many cases i still doubt them too). goal.com is very crap. and Tony29 i appreciate your effort to find the truth for us. two thumbs up for you :star: the most intelligent Milan fan that i've ever knew. what an insult by goal.com :mad:
Haha, thanks for the kind words, but, as mentioned, i'm not a Milan fan.
Goal.com finally wrote a good article about the situation. Actually, they only quoted the words of the UEFA official who made it clear that UEFA rules don't allow Milan to take the place of another team from another association.
Was Maggio playing on the wing for Sampdoria or at RB? Basically what i'm asking is could our defence be Zambrotta, ????, Nesta, Maggio for next season?
I still think we should sign Anyukov, the Zenit St. Petersburg RB, he's the closest alternative to Alves there is, plus he'd be alot lot cheaper. I'd like to think we could get him and Zapata for around Ģ15 million in total. It's alot of money, but i think it's worth the outlay.
A possible Zambrotta, Zapata, Nesta, Anyukov back line could be very strong. We could then play Maggio further forward.
Hey there. I haven't seen you for a long time.
Maggio didn't play RB at all, actually he played as an attacking midfielder, covering the right side. 8 goals and 9 assists (or 9+8, i don't remember) for him this season, only in serie A. No RB can do that :)
He didn't play defense at all this season, but since his original position is RB then maybe he can be a good wingback.
Braida says Milan has no interest what so ever is buying any of porto's midfielders.
I just hopw they are trying to keep it on the down low.
Anybody from the west, preferebly the caribbean or the US or Maybe Canada know what time the euro cup starts.
other news, Celtic may be willing to offload Boruc if a Good offer comes their way.
Simic has revealed he would like to join Celtic.
So i say
Storari/Dida/Kalac/Abbiati + Simic + cash for Boruc.
Gio-mania
07-06-2008, 07:30
I still think we should sign Anyukov, the Zenit St. Petersburg RB, he's the closest alternative to Alves there is, plus he'd be alot lot cheaper. I'd like to think we could get him and Zapata for around Ģ15 million in total. It's alot of money, but i think it's worth the outlay.
Udinese rejected a 12M bid for Zapata from Arsenal.... so it is unlikely we get both for Ģ 15M (~ 18M)...
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wonder how much eto'o would come to cost.... he isn't really the ideal striker for milan, as we want a powerful striker.
Snapster
07-06-2008, 07:42
€15m should be enough to tempt Udinese, although I'm sure we could give them someone like Simic or Oddo with some cash to part with him.
Bosniaco
07-06-2008, 07:43
Lets say u r right and Alves is the best RB in the world.
So what? The point is that Milan never approach him even after playing against him.
I don't know why but they did not. No point getting upset over someone whom we never wanted. Or maybe u r piss that Milan should have gone after him in the first place but they didn't. So GET OVER IT.
Beside, Contra was young and won UEFA CUP too before he came to Milan, wondering where he is playing now.
He is playing for Getafe in LA LIGA!
slicknick
07-06-2008, 09:10
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=726541
Ineresting..Let's wait and see
I think it'll be worthwhile to come up with a ranking of which sources are most reliable. Let me try doing it here, and please chip in guys if I miss any sources (most trustworthy on top):
1) www.acmilan.com
2) www.milanmania.co/forums (with "Official" in thread title)
3) Corriello Dello Sport
4) Channel4
5) soccernet.com
6) Goal.com
7) Calciomercato
I'm sure I'm missing sources. Any one suggestion?
Gio-mania
07-06-2008, 10:17
La Gazzetta dello Sport
i'd put it before corriere... so 3rd.
Manchester City, Ronaldinho ad un passo
http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/?action=read&id=107704
Do you BELIEVE it, what do you think it's just a rumours ??!!
maybe he and elano can make Man C a better club.
Russo-Neri
07-06-2008, 10:40
Anybody from the west, preferebly the caribbean or the US or Maybe Canada know what time the euro cup starts.
It's on right now!
I think it'll be worthwhile to come up with a ranking of which sources are most reliable. Let me try doing it here, and please chip in guys if I miss any sources (most trustworthy on top):
I'm sure I'm missing sources. Any one suggestion?
Updated:
1) www.acmilan.com
2) www.milanmania.co/forums (with "Official" in thread title)
3) La Gazzetta dello Sport
4) Corriello Dello Sport
5) Channel4
6) soccernet.com
7) Goal.com
8) Calciomercato
9) Tuttomercatoweb.com
One more added. Doesn't sound convincing to me...
Graeme C
07-06-2008, 11:01
Updated:
1) www.acmilan.com
2) www.milanmania.co/forums (with "Official" in thread title)
3) La Gazzetta dello Sport
4) Corriello Dello Sport
5) Channel4
6) soccernet.com
7) Goal.com
8) Calciomercato
9) Tuttomercatoweb.com
One more added. Doesn't sound convincing to me...
Tgcom.it is sort of reliable, its owned by Mediaset and doesnt really make alot up.
Updated again, thanks to Graeme.
1) www.acmilan.com
2) www.milanmania.co/forums (with "Official" in thread title)
3) www.tg.com
4) La Gazzetta dello Sport
5) Corriello Dello Sport
6) Channel4
7) soccernet.com
8) Goal.com
9) Calciomercato
10) Tuttomercatoweb.com
I am going to add this to my signature as soon as the list is complete (sort of).
1) www.acmilan.com
2) www.milanmania.co/forums (with "Official" in thread title)
3) www.tg.com
4) La Gazzetta dello Sport
5) Corriello Dello Sport
6) Channel4
7) soccernet.com
8) Goal.com
9) Calciomercato
10) Tuttomercatoweb.com
tribalfootball.com... one of the most unreliable sources ever :wallbang:
and eurosport.com ... most of the time their news is somewhat correct, well atleast not regarding transfers:uhm:
Updated, again:
1) www.acmilan.com
2) www.milanmania.com/forums (with "Official" in thread title)
3) www.tg.com
4) La Gazzetta dello Sport
5) Corriello Dello Sport
6) Channel4
7) Eurosport.com
8) soccernet.com
9) Goal.com
10) Calciomercato
11) Tuttomercatoweb.com
12) Tribalfootball.com
Updated, again:
1) www.acmilan.com
2) www.milanmania.com/forums (with "Official" in thread title)
3) www.tg.com
4) La Gazzetta dello Sport
5) Corriello Dello Sport
6) Channel4
7) Eurosport.com
8) soccernet.com
9) Goal.com
10) Calciomercato
11) Tuttomercatoweb.com
12) Tribalfootball.com
I'd put milanmania and Red & Black with "Official" in thread title before acmilan.com..... we all remember the Suazo "signing" :rr29:
lol, tha'ts good point, but let's ASSUME that whatever they say officially is real about buying and selling player ;0.
Moutinho is starting for portugal, that means he they also highly rate him, he starts over veloso and quaresma, so look out for him, the new rui costa. i hope he plays great to silence all you doubters, and renew milans interest.
Joao to the Werl.
kakacmilan best
07-06-2008, 14:49
What about Tuttosport?
What about Tuttosport?
How reliable is it?
t.gianni
07-06-2008, 15:22
I have always used the code that if any article (on tribal or channel 4 fi) has quotation from anyone other than any club's insider or any player's maid, dog keeper; it is reliable.
joao had a great pass in the end to make an assist for the last goal.
Moutinho is starting for portugal, that means he they also highly rate him, he starts over veloso and quaresma, so look out for him, the new rui costa. i hope he plays great to silence all you doubters, and renew milans interest.
Joao to the Werl.
Moutinho's assist for the 2nd goal has a touch of rui costa in it. He certainly look decent and promising. I hope milan is keeping a tab on him.
I agree; but tonight's games are not very enticing in general. I'm looking forward to Italy vs. Holland!!
on the sources topic,
last year acmilan.com said that we got suazo, but in fact we didnt as inter was the team to get his signature.
Graeme C
07-06-2008, 16:49
Suazo must now regret moving to Inter, and looks likely to be on the way out now Mourinho has taken over. But that whole thing was handled badly.
We seem on the road to take Antonini from Empoli as vice-Jankulovski ...
To be sincere, I don't know him !!
Graeme C
07-06-2008, 17:16
he and Abate were really good when Empoli played us. To be honest i think its good, hes a younger, faster version of favalli. At worst he could play some coppa and Uefa games.
So he would be a good replacement for Jankulovski (and eventually a better starter than Favalli) ??
Brasileiro
08-06-2008, 00:54
The only one here being childish is you with your baseless statements and wild accusations. Probably when your seeds drop you can explain what Alves has done that was so wrong? Be THE BEST FULLBACK IN THE WORLD? Be freakishly fast? Take good freekicks? Decent crosser :dontkn:
Not only this, Dru...Alves brother is classmate of my cousin in a College here in Brazil, and if people knew the things this player and his family had faced years ago, when Alves was still a kid(and very poor), they would be ashamed to do this statements and wild accusations about this player...
Mercato off topic, but Alves topic:
I was born in a city(Petrolina) that it is in the front of Alves city(Juazeiro)...they are just separate for a big bridge(and a river), and I can say itīs hard to be born in a family with problems(poverty) in our region. I was luck, my family didnīt have the same problems, and Alves has all my respect for to have win in this life, cuz I know itīs hard coming of where it comes.
I heard several of his brother stories...as when his father left for the city of Juazeiro(Alves liveed in the agricultural zone) early morning to sell the little that he obtained of his onion plantation(itīs hard to be a little agriculturist in a barren ground, with a climate of 40°C and without money to work with irrigation), to earn some money and bring back food for the family lunch...yes, his brother said they didnīt have food in the house that day, and as his father only come back one day later, it was a 2 day without nothing to eat.
His brother tell it was hard for him, but said Alves was always smiling, talking to him to not worry, that he(Alves) would be a great football player in the future, and they would not have the same problems with food or money in the future. Also, said to his young brother to close the eyes and just think about every good thing he wanted in the future, that he(Alves) would give it to him...and as his brother said, this helped it to forget the hunger.
His brother said more heart touching stories, but they are long and off topic to be posted here, but this quote of Palop(Sevilla GK) I read today in Diario Sport shows a lot about the type of professional Alves is:
http://www.sport.es/default.asp?idpublicacio_PK=44&idioma=CAS&idtipusrecurs_PK=7&idnoticia_PK=516734
“Pocos laterales hay en el mundo tan completos como él. Es incansable como demuetsra el hecho de que tras los partidos se entrena con los suplentes para hacer más horas. No le duele sacrificarse por el equipo y le encanta el trabajo físico”.
For the ones that donīt know spanish, Palop is saying Alves is untiring, and after the games, he train with the substitutes to have more hours of pratices...maybe this explaing why he was the only one to play all Sevilla games(Spanish Cup, La Liga and UEFA Cup) in a season without any injure.
Sure Alves isnīt more a reality for us, but thereīs no need to the unfair statments and lack of respect showed against this amazing player(and person). At least for me... cuz I really wanted to see Alves(the best RB in the world) in the right and Zambro at left in a Milan game:sob:
Sure Alves isnīt more a reality for us, but thereīs no need to the unfair statments and lack of respect showed against this amazing player(and person). At least for me... cuz I really wanted to see Alves(the best RB in the world) in the right and Zambro at left in a Milan game:sob:
Barcelona bought a player for years and years to come, of TOP quality and unique carectaristics. We will play on the right side with Messi...
:eekani:
Brasiliero, how did Pato play against Venezuela ( if Im not wrong ), 0:2 it was?
P.S.
also, I would like to say this, after I seem to realised it: Galliani had a signing of Buffon - Berlusconi didnt want to pay 40mln, he ahd Toni last summer - money didnt come from Silvio, he had Ribery - money didnt come. Now he claims he has Ronaldinho - Silvio doesnt want to pay more then 15mln, ysesterday Bronzetti said Milan has spoken to Eto'o and its all ok, not its time to talk to Barcelona...Im also sure Milan and Adebayor have an agreement as well...
So, mr. Berlusconi should start and invest some money for at least one normal transfer.
Also, sorry for the double post, Kenyon is in Milano. It is ugested that Drogba will play for Inter, along with Quaresma and Deco soon. We have made a great mistake in not doing all we can to sign Mourinho as our coach, he couldnt express all of his coaching talent in Chalski and with aBramovic on his kneck, like he did in Porto.
Right now we need 4 or 5 very good palyers to be at the same level as inter is squad wise, and Im not pleased to see what is happening with premier of the country not wanting to invest normally. Do not forget that if Inter wins next year that will be their 17th scudetto! Which is an equal to our number.
Of course, we need to llok at our own squad first and then fight untill the end, and that is why I claim we need to invest properly untill the end of the summer.
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EURO: Marek once again showed he cannot paly LB at the highest level we need. From 7 crosses 6 were wrong, his man needed to duplicate on him to close Behrami, he made only classical simple passes and so on...he lost the touch Im afraid.
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more, since Im up early as I cant sleep as Croatia plays today ( even without Eduardo which means we can score from corners only! :( )
Carlo said he will only betray Milan for Roma ( jokingly ), nd that Aquilani is an extraordinary player but that we are great in midsfield. I would like to says that this isnt true! About our Midfield: We have 5 ( five ) pure defensive midfielders ( Gattuso, Ambrosini, Flamini, Brocchi, emerson ), one creative deep lying midfielder ( Pirlo ), one worlds best palyer - Ricky and one palyer that is NOT capable of playing whole season at top level - Seedorf. NOT ABLE TO simply, buring to long career, its normal. Yoan is in Bordoux now.
Milan needs one more attacking creative midfielder who would add a moment of pace in our midfield, player like Ronaldinho, Nasri, Diego, Quaresma, Moutinho(?) nad so on...noone talks about this but our team cannot rely on Seedorf and ask him to play 45 games par season anymore, its obvious. that hurts Seedorf, hurts Kaka', hurts our paly in general. Its unprofessional and we need one more player in there. Yoan was ment to be that but he failed and it hurt us in rotation plans.
Also, sorry for the double post, Kenyon is in Milano. It is ugested that Drogba will play for Inter, along with Quaresma and Deco soon. We have made a great mistake in not doing all we can to sign Mourinho as our coach, he couldnt express all of his coaching talent in Chalski and with aBramovic on his kneck, like he did in Porto.
Right now we need 4 or 5 very good palyers to be at the same level as inter is squad wise, and Im not pleased to see what is happening with premier of the country not wanting to invest normally. Do not forget that if Inter wins next year that will be their 17th scudetto! Which is an equal to our number.
Of course, we need to llok at our own squad first and then fight untill the end, and that is why I claim we need to invest properly untill the end of the summer.
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EURO: Marek once again showed he cannot paly LB at the highest level we need. From 7 crosses 6 were wrong, his man needed to duplicate on him to close Behrami, he made only classical simple passes and so on...he lost the touch Im afraid.
1. I am not impressed by drogba, he is not going to get better at his age. There are better players out there.
2. Deco is finished as a player, can only be a bit part player in a big team, nothing more.
3. Quaresma? Interesting but i have heard his name since he was 18 but he has not make it big 7 years from then. Is he ready for the big time? And he will cost a bomb if porto's president is to be believed.
All these are not players i think milan need so they can go to inter milan for all i care. Mourinho's tactics is so simple, pack a bus in front of goal and wait for opponents to make a mistake. Ancelotti used to make the team play likewise and i remember many people were so critical of him so why people still want a get a coach like that? I don't like his style and hope he stay far away from milan.
We really need to buy wisely now. For example, a player like moutinho would be useful in our squad now as he can learn from pirlo and be the next pirlo. On the other hand, i don't think a DM like velso is a priority for our team.
Like you, i wise we can have a better player than janku on the wings but let see how it work out for now.
Milan derby for Ferrari?
Sunday 8 June, 2008
Roma defender Matteo Ferrari is edging towards a move to Milan, but there are rumours that Inter are also in the frame.
Ferraris deal at the Stadio Olimpico expires at the end of the month and the 29-year-old has refused to sign a contract extension with the Giallorossi.
Agent Gianni Corci has been keen to stress that his first priority is trying to find an agreement with the capital club, but it seems almost inevitable now that the former Everton man will leave on a free transfer.
According to Il Romanista, Milan are eyeing Ferrari as a possible replacement for Croatian international Dario Simic, who is headed for the San Siro exit.
The player is said to have his heart set on wearing the Rossoneri shirt and would accept a pay cut to join the world champions ranks, where he would provide much-needed defensive cover.
However, there are whispers that Inter may step in and beat their city rivals to the punch.
After last terms injury crises, the Italian champions will be looking to ensure they have greater strength in depth at the back and may see Ferrari as a cheap addition.
Fiorentina were also believed to be keeping an eye on the former Parma man, but they have more pressing targets.
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I can really see Galliani following this one through. Yet another mediocre player coming to Milan.
Graeme C
08-06-2008, 04:02
Milan derby for Ferrari?
Sunday 8 June, 2008
Roma defender Matteo Ferrari is edging towards a move to Milan, but there are rumours that Inter are also in the frame.
Ferraris deal at the Stadio Olimpico expires at the end of the month and the 29-year-old has refused to sign a contract extension with the Giallorossi.
Agent Gianni Corci has been keen to stress that his first priority is trying to find an agreement with the capital club, but it seems almost inevitable now that the former Everton man will leave on a free transfer.
According to Il Romanista, Milan are eyeing Ferrari as a possible replacement for Croatian international Dario Simic, who is headed for the San Siro exit.
The player is said to have his heart set on wearing the Rossoneri shirt and would accept a pay cut to join the world champions ranks, where he would provide much-needed defensive cover.
However, there are whispers that Inter may step in and beat their city rivals to the punch.
After last terms injury crises, the Italian champions will be looking to ensure they have greater strength in depth at the back and may see Ferrari as a cheap addition.
Fiorentina were also believed to be keeping an eye on the former Parma man, but they have more pressing targets.
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I can really see Galliani following this one through. Yet another mediocre player coming to Milan.
Free mediocre player ;)
Free mediocre player ;)
Nothing in this world is free. We will pay him wages and signing him will probably mean we wont sign the kind of quality we really need.
Graeme C
08-06-2008, 04:16
Also, sorry for the double post, Kenyon is in Milano. It is ugested that Drogba will play for Inter, along with Quaresma and Deco soon. We have made a great mistake in not doing all we can to sign Mourinho as our coach, he couldnt express all of his coaching talent in Chalski and with aBramovic on his kneck, like he did in Porto.
Right now we need 4 or 5 very good palyers to be at the same level as inter is squad wise, and Im not pleased to see what is happening with premier of the country not wanting to invest normally. Do not forget that if Inter wins next year that will be their 17th scudetto! Which is an equal to our number.
Of course, we need to llok at our own squad first and then fight untill the end, and that is why I claim we need to invest properly untill the end of the summer.
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EURO: Marek once again showed he cannot paly LB at the highest level we need. From 7 crosses 6 were wrong, his man needed to duplicate on him to close Behrami, he made only classical simple passes and so on...he lost the touch Im afraid.
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more, since Im up early as I cant sleep as Croatia plays today ( even without Eduardo which means we can score from corners only! :( )
Carlo said he will only betray Milan for Roma ( jokingly ), nd that Aquilani is an extraordinary player but that we are great in midsfield. I would like to says that this isnt true! About our Midfield: We have 5 ( five ) pure defensive midfielders ( Gattuso, Ambrosini, Flamini, Brocchi, emerson ), one creative deep lying midfielder ( Pirlo ), one worlds best palyer - Ricky and one palyer that is NOT capable of playing whole season at top level - Seedorf. NOT ABLE TO simply, buring to long career, its normal. Yoan is in Bordoux now.
Milan needs one more attacking creative midfielder who would add a moment of pace in our midfield, player like Ronaldinho, Nasri, Diego, Quaresma, Moutinho(?) nad so on...noone talks about this but our team cannot rely on Seedorf and ask him to play 45 games par season anymore, its obvious. that hurts Seedorf, hurts Kaka', hurts our paly in general. Its unprofessional and we need one more player in there. Yoan was ment to be that but he failed and it hurt us in rotation plans.
Nasri i think would be a good buy. Thats the thing about Aquilani. If he comes up i think we should make a bid even if it means Losing Borriello and Jankulovski in return. I dont believe we will have brocchi and Emerson next season. I hope Brocchi will be included in the deal for Maggio or even Mutu if the rumours are semi true..
Giancarlo
08-06-2008, 04:39
Also, sorry for the double post, Kenyon is in Milano. It is ugested that Drogba will play for Inter, along with Quaresma and Deco soon. We have made a great mistake in not doing all we can to sign Mourinho as our coach, he couldnt express all of his coaching talent in Chalski and with aBramovic on his kneck, like he did in Porto.
Right now we need 4 or 5 very good palyers to be at the same level as inter is squad wise, and Im not pleased to see what is happening with premier of the country not wanting to invest normally. Do not forget that if Inter wins next year that will be their 17th scudetto! Which is an equal to our number.
Of course, we need to llok at our own squad first and then fight untill the end, and that is why I claim we need to invest properly untill the end of the summer.
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EURO: Marek once again showed he cannot paly LB at the highest level we need. From 7 crosses 6 were wrong, his man needed to duplicate on him to close Behrami, he made only classical simple passes and so on...he lost the touch Im afraid.
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more, since Im up early as I cant sleep as Croatia plays today ( even without Eduardo which means we can score from corners only! :( )
Carlo said he will only betray Milan for Roma ( jokingly ), nd that Aquilani is an extraordinary player but that we are great in midsfield. I would like to says that this isnt true! About our Midfield: We have 5 ( five ) pure defensive midfielders ( Gattuso, Ambrosini, Flamini, Brocchi, emerson ), one creative deep lying midfielder ( Pirlo ), one worlds best palyer - Ricky and one palyer that is NOT capable of playing whole season at top level - Seedorf. NOT ABLE TO simply, buring to long career, its normal. Yoan is in Bordoux now.
Milan needs one more attacking creative midfielder who would add a moment of pace in our midfield, player like Ronaldinho, Nasri, Diego, Quaresma, Moutinho(?) nad so on...noone talks about this but our team cannot rely on Seedorf and ask him to play 45 games par season anymore, its obvious. that hurts Seedorf, hurts Kaka', hurts our paly in general. Its unprofessional and we need one more player in there. Yoan was ment to be that but he failed and it hurt us in rotation plans.
I don't know what to say. How is signing Mourinho going to help Milan? Let alone that other team anti-italian team in milan"? I shrug my shoulders at the guy. He won Chelsea NOTHING European wise... his last European trophy was with Porto. He has a big mouth... and I do not like his tactics.
I think Milan needs another forward... we have enough creativity in the midfield as it stands. We need a good solid forward.. like Mario Gomez... and Seedorf can produce consistently good results... he's not that old. And he has a lot of fight in him.
Inter won't be winning the Scudetto next season because we saw how their team is. It's just one big fight waiting to happen... Materazzi seemingly does not get along with anyone... Mourinho? What difference is that going to make?
Am I the only one who seems to think that Mourinho isn't all what he stacks up to be?
hishamilan
08-06-2008, 05:38
i must agree with mrki ... in our 4-3-1-2 or 4-3-2-1 ... kaka has no replacement and so we need a player to cover up for seedorf and rest kaka ... but i don't agree it will be moutinho because although he is young and skillfull he doesn't have the same stamina nor balance like seedorf so a player like diego or R10 will be more appealing ... another thing is that ferrari will not and can't be a starter and we need a starter to replace kaladze so zapata is a more reasonable choice although the fee is higher (to sign him) . so we are again defining our targets :
1) GK ... BORUC / FREY??
2) CB ... ZAPATA/ MEXES
3) LB ... BEHRAMY??? / PASQUAL??? / GRIMI?????????
4) CM/OMF ... R10/ DIEGO
5) CF ... NOT ETOO ... GOMEZZZZZZ / KURANYE/ DROGBA
5 players for ~90 million pounds .. its good!!!!
1) GK ... BORUC / FREY??
2) CB ... ZAPATA/ MEXES
3) LB ... BEHRAMY??? / PASQUAL??? / GRIMI?????????
4) CM/OMF ... R10/ DIEGO
5) CF ... NOT ETOO ... GOMEZZZZZZ / KURANYE/ DROGBA
5 players for ~90 million pounds .. its good!!!!
1) Boruc with Simic to Celtic ( Ferrari comes to replace Simic )
2) Zapata as Braida's choice
3) Pasqual is in Udinese now, our choice could be Sagnol in the end, I wouldnt be surprised at all.
4) only Ronaldinho is on my mind for that role. For real, the rest is a second choice.
5) Drogba, Adebayor, Eto'o - I dont care.
Maevious
08-06-2008, 06:04
Chelsea give permission for Milan to approach Drogba, according to Galliani!!!
Make it happen!!!!
http://sports.yahoo.com/sow/news?slug=reu-italymilandrogba&prov=reuters&type=lgns
ACMILAN1983
08-06-2008, 06:40
I read about Galliani in talks with Drogba, but personally for me he's not the first choice. I still want Gomez, and I think Eto'o is also a good choice (Adebayor also seems out of the picture now). Drogba's an excellent player, but at his age, and his injury problems I'm hesitant how much we can hope from him.
Realistically, I don't think we need too much. Abbiati looks set to be our first choice keeper next season. Though far from my first choice, he's a pretty solid keeper with brilliant reflexes. If he can add stability (and offering confidence like in his early years) then he'll be excellent for us.
We've bought one fullback of quality and that's the bare minimum we need. I have great confidence in Bonera after this season and feel he's ready to step up once and for all. If not we still have Zambro and Oddo for RB. At LB we have numerous options with Zambro at the top, so I have few worries.
Centre defence is an area I really think we need to invest in. A top level defender for a long term solution is important for me. I have little confidence in Kaladze ever becoming what was hoped of him and Bonera's really the only other option we have that has more than the odd year left in him (ala Maldini). Zapata is ideal as he's young and showing fantastic promise in Udinese.
Midfield could do with one more attacking threat. It doesn't have to be a star though, as I don't think we'll try to rely on Seedorf so much next year (thus adding a great option to the squad). Someone like Abate or even Maggio (a RB, but realistically plays as a right winger), who can influence from wide areas are fantastic options.
Eseentially, to complete the mercato I think we need a star forward (preferably with a long future), a good attacking midfielder for the squad and a long term prospect in defence.
Graeme C
08-06-2008, 06:42
apparently we have resigned Antonini from Empoli. Nearly offical, acmilan say galliani has a deal to bring him back.
MILANO - In un'intervista rilasciata alla Gazzetta dello Sport, Adriano Galliani ha confermato l'accordo trovato con l'Empoli per il ritorno in rossonero del centrocampista Luca Antonini: 'Posso confermare che abbiamo raggiunto l'accordo con l'Empoli per il riscatto di Antonini, che prenderā il posto di Serginho', ha dichiarato l'amministratore delegato rossonero.
And that player from Zenith - he is less expencive becouse he has far less quality!!
Far less quality? I hardly think so. Just because he doesn't play in a fashionable league, isn't Brazilian and has little hype around him doesn't mean he's a poor player. He's solid defensively and is very attacking (and good at attacking too), just because he's not your idol Alves or Srna doesn't make him a bad player.
I stand by my notion that he'd be a good addition to our squad.
Gio-Mania, i said around Ģ15 million, not Ģ15 million exactly.
Far less quality? I hardly think so. Just because he doesn't play in a fashionable league, isn't Brazilian and has little hype around him doesn't mean he's a poor player. He's solid defensively and is very attacking (and good at attacking too), just because he's not your idol Alves or Srna doesn't make him a bad player.
I stand by my notion that he'd be a good addition to our squad.
Gio-Mania, i said around Ģ15 million, not Ģ15 million exactly.
Not a polite way to talk to me. My "idol" Alves or Srna? What the f...? I have discussed that Alves is the best option for Rb as he is the best Rb in the world, and Brasiliero and Drucurl have agreed...so he is their's idol as well...
Srna? I can understand you are frustrated for some reason, but I never mentioned Srna in this mercato thread.
And that player has FAR, yes - FAR, less quality then Alves, which is obvious. that is why Alves has signed for 32 mln for Barcelona and he is in Zenith. Lets not lie to ourselves.
Mutu is by far a better player than boriello, and i would be willing to give Viola, Boriello and Brocchi + 5mil for Mutu.
well according to rumours and reports, my dream of Moutinho has been shut down.
i hope its just a market stratergy or something.
viola now after afellay, and are seeking a loan option for podolski. now they are a very active team in the market.
Mutu is by far a better player than boriello, and i would be willing to give Viola, Boriello and Brocchi + 5mil for Mutu.
Trading an drug addict for another? :grinser:
Jim, the problem with players coming from the Russian league is of different nature. As you correctly said, there are players in these ex-USSR leauges who have enormous quality but the fact that they play in not attractive leagues that noone watches, makes them underrated.
But even though they're underrated, their prices are still sky high.
In last 5 years some of the world's richest people bought some eastern european teams and they invested more money than Berlusconi or the Elkans invested in Milan and Juve in the same time period.
The wages they offer to their players are unbelievable. Mrki knows that Darijo Srna has the quality to play in every single team in western Europe and yet he's not leaving Shakhtar Donieck. Why is that ? Because none of Barcelona, Milan or Manchester United will pay him the wages the Ukrainians are paying him.
It's two years already since me and Oksana talked about Arshavin here. Some were sceptical and tought we're overhyping the anonimous Russian but this year in UEFA we've seen that the guy is real gold. Why a playmaker of such quality plays in Russia and not in Liverpool, Juve or Inter ? Because these teams we'll never pay him not even 50% of the wages the owners of Zenit are paying him.
If Shevchenko was some 10 years younger and he started his career sometime in last 2-3 years, it would have been close to impossible for Milan to buy him.
The only way to buy these players is if the players themselves want to leave and lose their wages. Like it was with krtel. He was getting much more money in Zenit than he is making now in Liverpool but it was his choice to give up on the big wages and that's the only reason why Liverpool got him at the end.
And who knew krtel before he went to Pool ? How many knew Vidić before he went to ManUtd ?
These guys could have easily kept their high wages, they could have kept playing in Russia and stay anonimous. But they decided to take a risk, to play for less money and at the end the risk payed up and the world did see that there are top quality players in Russian or Ukrainian league.
Mrki, signing a 32 million(euro or pound or w/e) doesnt mean he's the best player in the world :wallbang:
yes, I admit, he's a good "RB", but he certainly isnt the best out-there...
I also believe Zambrotta is a better choice for us, even tho its not a long-term signing...
moving on to another topic... Milan does need a new CB alongside Nesta as indeed, Kaladze has lost his form (this season atleast) and he cost us more goals than he saved us...
isnt it better (if we dont buy a new CB) if Bonera plays with Nesta as CB and Zambrotta+Janku(ye ye, he's not good w/e, but in the euro08 it was his first match in a while... besides, do you prefer Favalli ? :D) on the flanks?:rollani:
Gio-mania
08-06-2008, 07:35
if we can get moutinho for 10-15M, i'd be happy.... i enjoyed his performance yesterday, even though cristiano ronaldo stole the show.
inter have now joined the race for eto'o... they also plan on getting quaresma and mancini.
And i just want to add that Škrtel and Vidić aren't Russian and it was easier for them to leave.
It's much harder to buy Russians. They play at home, in their own country, they are highly popular among their own people and they are getting payed much more than they will be in western Europe.
Noone is fool enough to leave all this behind.
Like with the Italians in the past or the English now. Why leave home and big money for some foreign country and less money ?
That's why it will be hard to buy Anyukov, Jim :)
Ancelotti, has stated yet again, that the only team he would leave Milan for is Roma, and spalleti seems to be on the verge of leaving roma for chelsea. I say why not make a swap, i mean i love ancelotti, but when i look at spalleti, he is simply great, and expecially if we do not land zapata, spalleti, may be able to bring mexes with him.
hishamilan
08-06-2008, 08:12
spaletti is better than anchelotti????????? i don't see spaletti's silverware anywere and moreover i cheer myself up by watching the video of spaletti slitting down in his chair helpless when his team were losing to manu !!!!! as for the east european players ... i think this is the same issue with asian and egyptian players ... strange indeed
_MaJi_tz
08-06-2008, 08:16
Luca Antonini is back on San Siro and he will be our LB.....
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hishamilan
08-06-2008, 08:18
1) Boruc with Simic to Celtic ( Ferrari comes to replace Simic )
5) Drogba, Adebayor, Eto'o - I dont care.
mrki sorry i don't understand how is boruc with simic to celtic and i think you must care lol .. because etoo is simply not suitable for us he is not as powerful in the air (nor on the ground) and he is trouble maker and i consider him not hungry for football he plays very cool and waste chances in tons ... same is adebayor he is strong but coldblooded and irresponsible also he will not create chances for himself which we need ... i must say i can see either drogba or gomez our best solutions for the CF position
Warro Bantan
08-06-2008, 08:48
Seems u r a gambler payne...I wouldn't trade Carlo, with his winning record @ Milan for n e one at present.
I need to see Carlo fail with a truly world class team (in every position on the pitch) before I would say: yeah let's try so and so....
Not to say that Spaletti is a "so and so" :D he is an excellent coach, with a nice brand of attacking, flowing football, and indeed, I would consider him for Milan if Carlo were to leave...but Donadoni or another ex-Milan player (Rijkaard, MVB) would be favoured more by Berlu et al.
Plus, I am anxious to see Carlo managing a "full deck" of first-class players, as I think he will impress....and big time.
Chelski under Mourinho held us, or beat us a narrow 1-0 in some pre-season games back in the day...and I didn't think Carlo was "out-coached" at all...even if those were jus pre-season games.
This summer's friendlies (since I am on that note) TIM tournament, Berlu trophy etc, will be eagerly perused by urs truly...as they can be a snapshot of the forthcoming season (or not) :D
What's up with this guy we just got from Empoli? Serginho's replacement Galliani has been quoted as saying...is he any good?
We have palyed our best football under Carlo with Rui-Kaka'-Sheva tridente. With Pippo, Tomasson etc...Seedorf. Without strong and powerfull forward.
Barcelona has played brilliant football with Ronaldinho-Eto'o-Guly/messi.
From what I can "see" an attack consisting of Kaka'-Eto'o-Pato would be extremly flexible position wise, and the fastest tridente in the world.
its a tactical question or attacking variations, but I think we need to choose our forward carefully as the rest of the setup will depend of it, and not slightly.
I will stay with my statemant that Dani Alves is the world's best right back, and the price Barcelona payed for him does not have anything to do with my statemant as I've said it way before this transfer happened. Simply, from what I can see from him I cannot see from any other player in that position, except from young zambrotta ( which is past ).
Zambrto is an EXCEKLLENT purchase by Milan, no doubt dough, my dream transfer. But we were talking about Alves, and I stand by the claim that HE is the best right back in the world.
Now Im off to the pub with my friends, Croatia plays in 2 hours!!
P.S.
What Tony29 said about Srna is 100% true. Absolutely a player that can play in top clubs, and would even improve more there, but that could be an minus of ambition or a greed for money...I dont know. Shame dough, he is a good palyer with spectacular crosses and fighting spirit. ( not a natural fullabck dough, cant defend as he should be ).
spaletti is better than anchelotti????????? i don't see spaletti's silverware anywere and moreover i cheer myself up by watching the video of spaletti slitting down in his chair helpless when his team were losing to manu !!!!! as for the east european players ... i think this is the same issue with asian and egyptian players ... strange indeed
Milan has alot more talent than roma, and roma also has alot less talent than juventus and inter IMO, and he still carried roma to second, and he did win silverware, the coppa.
Seems u r a gambler payne...I wouldn't trade Carlo, with his winning record @ Milan for n e one at present.
I need to see Carlo fail with a truly world class team (in every position on the pitch) before I would say: yeah let's try so and so....
Not to say that Spaletti is a "so and so" :D he is an excellent coach, with a nice brand of attacking, flowing football, and indeed, I would consider him for Milan if Carlo were to leave...but Donadoni or another ex-Milan player (Rijkaard, MVB) would be favoured more by Berlu et al.
Plus, I am anxious to see Carlo managing a "full deck" of first-class players, as I think he will impress....and big time.
Chelski under Mourinho held us, or beat us a narrow 1-0 in some pre-season games back in the day...and I didn't think Carlo was "out-coached" at all...even if those were jus pre-season games.
This summer's friendlies (since I am on that note) TIM tournament, Berlu trophy etc, will be eagerly perused by urs truly...as they can be a snapshot of the forthcoming season (or not) :D
What's up with this guy we just got from Empoli? Serginho's replacement Galliani has been quoted as saying...is he any good?
im not saying i want him to leave, im just saying if he were to decide to go to roma, i would prefer a switch with spaletti. besides i dont like rikaard, and MVB just got ajax's job i think. Tossati imo would also be a great option, as he was a milan player, and is now an assistant.
We have palyed our best football under Carlo with Rui-Kaka'-Sheva tridente. With Pippo, Tomasson etc...Seedorf. Without strong and powerfull forward.
Barcelona has played brilliant football with Ronaldinho-Eto'o-Guly/messi.
From what I can "see" an attack consisting of Kaka'-Eto'o-Pato would be extremly flexible position wise, and the fastest tridente in the world.
its a tactical question or attacking variations, but I think we need to choose our forward carefully as the rest of the setup will depend of it, and not slightly.
I will stay with my statemant that Dani Alves is the world's best right back, and the price Barcelona payed for him does not have anything to do with my statemant as I've said it way before this transfer happened. Simply, from what I can see from him I cannot see from any other player in that position, except from young zambrotta ( which is past ).
Zambrto is an EXCEKLLENT purchase by Milan, no doubt dough, my dream transfer. But we were talking about Alves, and I stand by the claim that HE is the best right back in the world.
Now Im off to the pub with my friends, Croatia plays in 2 hours!!
P.S.
What Tony29 said about Srna is 100% true. Absolutely a player that can play in top clubs, and would even improve more there, but that could be an minus of ambition or a greed for money...I dont know. Shame dough, he is a good palyer with spectacular crosses and fighting spirit. ( not a natural fullabck dough, cant defend as he should be ).
i cant wait for the croatia match, i want to see kranjcar and modric in action. croatia would have been one of my favourites behind only Italy and holland, if eduardo da silva wasnt injured, but i still wish them the best.
oh i forgot to add simic, the centurian.
do not expect an LB signings, as Anotnini is here, maldini is back, marek is still here, and also favalli.
however this thing about no Portuguese is ubsurd to me, why not, did they not see Moutinho yesterday, do they need to see him play some more or something?
Besides technically brazilians are portuguese.
to me it is a lot better to attempt and fail, as we did with r10, and many other players like berba, hopefully drogba (i still dont like him), than not to try at all.
the only reason i see them not going for a player like moutinho is if they are going for someone bigger like maybe silva. which to me even though silva is great, i still think moutinho is a better option, as silva will demand alot of games, and would preferbly be a starter, making playing two striker next to possible, im sure that moutinho would mind come of the bench in his first year, as long as he get opportunity to play. He is the perfect replace ment for Rui Costa, as even though i like seedorf, he is still not a legit number 10.
Brasileiro
08-06-2008, 09:58
Barcelona bought a player for years and years to come, of TOP quality and unique carectaristics. We will play on the right side with Messi...
:eekani:
Brasiliero, how did Pato play against Venezuela ( if Im not wrong ), 0:2 it was?
P.S.
also, I would like to say this, after I seem to realised it: Galliani had a signing of Buffon - Berlusconi didnt want to pay 40mln, he ahd Toni last summer - money didnt come from Silvio, he had Ribery - money didnt come. Now he claims he has Ronaldinho - Silvio doesnt want to pay more then 15mln, ysesterday Bronzetti said Milan has spoken to Eto'o and its all ok, not its time to talk to Barcelona...Im also sure Milan and Adebayor have an agreement as well...
So, mr. Berlusconi should start and invest some money for at least one normal transfer.
Yep, Messi and Alves will be scary...Btw, people puting Alves and Contra in the same sentence just because both won UEFA Cup must be joking...Alves won the titles being the MVP of the UEFA Cup, and MVP of the finals...tell me one RB name that was chosen MVP of a BIG tournament?? This is what makes Alves unique as you said...heīs a playmaker, and as Sevilla coach(Manolo Jimenez) said yesterday, heīs a Rb you can build a team around, because he organize a entire offense(but also can defend).
Regarding Pato against Venezuela: imo the boy was one of the best of the first-half(Brazil played poorly). He did some kakáīs runs pasting for several players and was always a threat with the ball on his feet...Pato was better than Adriano, but the dumb Dunga take him off after the first half::rollani:
Itīs incredible how brazilian media is hyping Adriano for nothing. He was poor against Venezuela and Canada, but was given more chances than Pato:rollani:
Thank God Luis Fabiano come back for the games against Paraguai and Argentina!!
On a side note, against Venezuela Anderson played at the famous "Seedorfīs role" at the left of Brazilīs midfield and not as a DM like in Manchester...and after to see he playing, Iīm still more convinced Anderson was the only one capable of to play like Seedorf...with that amazing combination of power and skills. Itīs a shame SAF is playing him only as a DM...
BTW, can someone describe this player for the ones that never saw a game...
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=727810
Antonini is an ok player. I think he will be possibly a bench player.
Brasileiro
08-06-2008, 10:04
do not expect an LB signings, as Anotnini is here, maldini is back, marek is still here, and also favalli.
however this thing about no Portuguese is ubsurd to me, why not, did they not see Moutinho yesterday, do they need to see him play some more or something?
Besides technically brazilians are portuguese.
to me it is a lot better to attempt and fail, as we did with r10, and many other players like berba, hopefully drogba (i still dont like him), than not to try at all.
the only reason i see them not going for a player like moutinho is if they are going for someone bigger like maybe silva. which to me even though silva is great, i still think moutinho is a better option, as silva will demand alot of games, and would preferbly be a starter, making playing two striker next to possible, im sure that moutinho would mind come of the bench in his first year, as long as he get opportunity to play. He is the perfect replace ment for Rui Costa, as even though i like seedorf, he is still not a legit number 10.
This is the problem, payne...
I canīt see a young AMD wanting to be a Kakaīs backup. Kaká is a monster and play most of the games, so I canīt see young guys like Moutinho and Diego coming to be a backup in the most of the game...who knows?!?!
Not a polite way to talk to me. My "idol" Alves or Srna? What the f...? I have discussed that Alves is the best option for Rb as he is the best Rb in the world, and Brasiliero and Drucurl have agreed...so he is their's idol as well...
Srna? I can understand you are frustrated for some reason, but I never mentioned Srna in this mercato thread.
And that player has FAR, yes - FAR, less quality then Alves, which is obvious. that is why Alves has signed for 32 mln for Barcelona and he is in Zenith. Lets not lie to ourselves.
Why am i frustrated? Could you explain that to me.
So you're saying that any player that doesn't sign for a club like Barcelona and for a price of around 32 million that they must be low in quality? Srna is at Shaktar Donetsk and doesn't look like leaving for a figure of that amount, so he must be of Far, yes - Far, less quality than Alves. Your logic, not mine.
Jeff, i don't get why Channel 4 or Calciomercato are bad sources (in terms of reliability) for news and Gazetta/Corriere are ok sources for news. The former just take their articles from the latter.
Tony29, is it true that the clubs you mentioned in your previous two posts pay more money than clubs like Inter, Liverpool, MU?
I still doubt it. Can you post their wages (like Vidic, Skartel, etc) with russian clubs or other clubs in countries you mentioned?
ACMILAN1983
08-06-2008, 10:35
BTW, can someone describe this player for the ones that never saw a game...http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=727810
A Milan youth system LB who has been out on loan for many years at various clubs. He's a pretty decent player but nothing outstanding, though his attacking contribution is usually quite good. He impressed against us earlier this year, which is probably why we brought him back.
Essentially, looks like Vargas definitely won't come. More so my fear is the thought in the club is right now that Zambro will be RB and Janku LB. I much rather hope to see Bonera on the right and Zambro down the left.
We have palyed our best football under Carlo with Rui-Kaka'-Sheva tridente. With Pippo, Tomasson etc...Seedorf. Without strong and powerfull forward.
When did we ever really play Sheva-Rui-Kaka?
A Milan youth system LB who has been out on loan for many years at various clubs.
He is 25 years old but still he is owned by Milan, how could it be? Do Milan always renew his contract and he accepts it even he never plays for Milan?
I am often confused about the ownership of primavera players in Italy. They are owned by their primavera clubs for many years (not just 2-3 years).
Jeff, i don't get why Channel 4 or Calciomercato are bad sources (in terms of reliability) for news and Gazetta/Corriere are ok sources for news. The former just take their articles from the latter.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I suppose calciomercato comes up with their own news pretty often while Gazetta/Corriere did not?
I agree that Channel4 doesn't fabricate as much.
The goal of the signature is to raise people's awareness that not all sources are reliable.
This is the problem, payne...
I canīt see a young AMD wanting to be a Kakaīs backup. Kaká is a monster and play most of the games, so I canīt see young guys like Moutinho and Diego coming to be a backup in the most of the game...who knows?!?!
well, not only a back up as he should play uefa cup games, in order to give kaka a rest, as i dont want him to end up like last season, and in coppa italia, and he can also get the start against lower position teams, what i mean is we need to incoporate a better rotational system, as that one of the reasons gourcuff left, he want getting game. look at barca, the got both gio and bojan in rotation, and even madrid got Higuain in there games.
Plus im sure there will be sometimes we go back to 4-3-2-1, and in that case moutinho can be a starter.
hishamilan
08-06-2008, 11:11
ok then let's exclude an LB from our targets .. then who remains :
boruc
zapata
R10
drogba/gomez
Gabriel489
08-06-2008, 11:14
Antonini is back at LB, from the games I seen, he is pretty good, and since Italian players are usually late boomers, I am hoping he is also a late boomer too.
Giancarlo
08-06-2008, 11:37
Whenever I've seen Antonini play for Empoli I'm pretty impressed. While most of the Empoli team did not defend well, he usually tried his best, and his performances are rather impressive. AC Milan lends out youth players to gain experience. Sometimes it takes longer for some players, but whatever it takes. Yes, most Italian players are late bloomers... like Luca Toni for example.
I think Antonini is a very impressive player to bring back and he can contribute greatly to the team.
My remaining list: Christian Zapata, Oscar Ustari, Mario Gomez... but Drogba seems to be more likely now.
Snapster
08-06-2008, 12:02
Zapata has to be a must, as is great GK and a good all round forward. That would leave us with needing to get a player who can take Seedorf/Kaka's role when they are rested.
ok then let's exclude an LB from our targets .. then who remains :
boruc
zapata
R10
drogba/gomez
Ha! ha! ha! this sounds normal to us but Mr Galliani said wehave made the best transfers "we took back Borriello and Abbiati" so go along Abbiati who is worst than Dida and only Borrielo for in front...
Warro Bantan
08-06-2008, 12:19
Thanks Giancarlo...I don't usually have opportunity to see how some of our loaned players perform, and I am always glad for the info.
Giancarlo
08-06-2008, 13:00
Ha! ha! ha! this sounds normal to us but Mr Galliani said wehave made the best transfers "we took back Borriello and Abbiati" so go along Abbiati who is worst than Dida and only Borrielo for in front...
I vehemently disagree with you on that one. Abbiati is a pretty solid keeper, and I think he's more suited for Milan... he had some mistakes at Atletico, but all in all most of his games there were pretty good. I don't think he's worse than Dida in any sense. And there are negotiations for another forward going as we speak.
We do have an active transfer season. I've counted five players brought into Milans ranks...
Borriello (who is a pretty good striker and I think a late bloomer), Abbiati (I think he's a great goalkeeper), Zambrotta (great player), Antonini (solid as I said), Flamini (we'll see, I think this kid has a great of talent)...
We've also sold Gilardino who was doing nothing for us. Ibrahim Ba, Serginho, Cafu and Fiori retired.
I think we are reshuffling our ranks. And I think Galliani is making all the right moves. He's making the correct decisions, and I think he still has some more players on mind. Antonini was a good start to reinforce the left area now that Serginho is gone. Just three or four more players and we're all set. As I said, one more defender, one or two more strikers, and another goalkeeper.
And yes I do agree that we need a young talented 2nd string goalkeeper... and Dida has to be released. I think if Dida goes back to Brazil to play for Palmerias or Flamengo he should gain some of his form back.
My list of keepers for second string: Heurleho Gomes (he's not that young, but he's great, plays for PSV), Oscar Ustari (21 year Argentine Getafe keeper), Juan Pablo Carrizo (his impressive performances have saved a less than impressive River Plate defense numerous times), Davide Bassi (plays for Empoli, and played in the U-21 Toulon Tournament helping Italy win the trophy... very impressive)...
ACMILAN1983
08-06-2008, 13:15
He is 25 years old but still he is owned by Milan, how could it be? Do Milan always renew his contract and he accepts it even he never plays for Milan?
I am often confused about the ownership of primavera players in Italy. They are owned by their primavera clubs for many years (not just 2-3 years).
Pretty much yes, we keep him on our cards as with many young players. Big clubs often loan out (or sell half the contract) young talents to smaller teams to see how they develop. If successful and useful, the players return to their parent club (either from loan or for a negotiated amount/blind bids), otherwise they'll get sold off (if there's not really any hope left).
Essentially, this is what's happened with Antonini. He's always been a possible player for Milan, but until now he's never quite shown enough to earn a place back in Milan and he wasn't needed at the club. Therefore, Milan let him continue to ply his trade elsewhere until the management felt confident he'd be an asset to the club and he was needed.
Same sort of situation has occurred with Borriello and Abbiati.
Giancarlo
08-06-2008, 13:22
Indeed, and it also must be noted that Antonini went through seven or eight different teams (you can see this on wikipedia)... he has a lot of experience for a 25 year old. It took him like 6 or 7 years to gain the experience needed to come back to Milan...
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