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remote2book
13-06-2008, 17:25
Oh so you're comparing an 18 year old who just started this season (scoring 9 goals in half of a season) to a 24 year old who's been with Arsenal for how many years? And what about the other teams Pato did score against? Wow. You're going to go as low to bash Pato.
That's just wrong. And if you're trying to tell me that Adebayor's finishing is better than Patos... not a chance.
I am not bashing pato i dont bash anyone in milan..you are bashing other players for no reason sounds like you havent watched a single match of arsenal and re read you post again "what about the other teams pato scored against" ok than what about the other teams Adebayor scored against? and how can you say pato's finishing is better when hes only played so little all iam saying is stop putting down other players he would be an amazing partnet to pato..
remote2book
13-06-2008, 17:27
eto'o would be a good addition he is an amazing player but i think we already have speed kaka and pato upfront it would be good if we have that "target man" we will see no worries its only the start of the sumemrl ong ways to go
Adebayor would be a good fit,from the stand point he is big target and has very good mobility for someone that is 6'4.But i also believe Eto would be more lethal with Milan,with his speed he can cause more problems for teams and you just feel that's what Galliani and Ancelloti are thinking.
Can you guys imagine Pato,Eto and Kaka in attack.I don't believe there would be single attacking group in the world faster.
Adebayor would be a good fit,from the stand point he is big target and has very good mobility for someone that is 6'4.But i also believe Eto would be more lethal with Milan,with his speed he can cause more problems for teams and you just feel that's what Galliani and Ancelloti are thinking.
Can you guys imagine Pato,Eto and Kaka in attack.I don't believe there would be single attacking group in the world faster.
For me, both are very welcome, Ade or Eto'o. As long as not Boriello to be our main striker. :pom:
After watching Italy's 2 games and horrible defense (esp. the first one), aren't we glad we have Nesta / Kaladze which sounds much better than Bargazli / Materazzi? :D
Definitely Jeff! From how you wrote the names, I assume you compare Nesta to Barzagli and Kala to Materazzi. :D
Kala is now better than Materazzi. Materazzi is not the one who played very well in 2006. He is now preparing to be a good sub in NT and Inter IMO. What Kala lacks of is consistency as he has the ability to be decent CB.
Nesta compare to Barzagli? :rr30:
Giancarlo
13-06-2008, 17:47
I am not bashing pato i dont bash anyone in milan..you are bashing other players for no reason sounds like you havent watched a single match of arsenal and re read you post again "what about the other teams pato scored against" ok than what about the other teams Adebayor scored against? and how can you say pato's finishing is better when hes only played so little all iam saying is stop putting down other players he would be an amazing partnet to pato..
Eto'o just sounds more appealing because he's a powerful striker... yes he's fast, but he's also very strong. I'm not bashing Adebayor. All I know is he has been known for some horrific misses, including some in the CL. I have watched Arsenal play before... in fact they play more EPL here than they do Serie A. In fact more than often the Serie A is shown not live... whlie the EPL is. Already I see Pato being better than Adebayor. Adebayor is fed the ball many times... even Arsenal fans say this a lot, and he misses many.
Why is he so great?
Giancarlo
13-06-2008, 17:49
Definitely Jeff! From how you wrote the names, I assume you compare Nesta to Barzagli and Kala to Materazzi. :D
Kala is now better than Materazzi. Materazzi is not the one who played very well in 2006. He is now preparing to be a good sub in NT and Inter IMO. What Kala lacks of is consistency as he has the ability to be decent CB.
Nesta compare to Barzagli? :rr30:
Glad to see we can agree on something.
I'm happy we don't have Materazzi or Barzagli on our team. Well good luck to Wolfsburg with Barzagli. There is a reason I don't think any Italian teams want him. He's so bad and overated. You notice that Donadoni left those two on the bench lol.
And to think about it, I would be alright with Adebayor... but I would be more happy with Eto'o (and we should get Kameni as well).
Maybe you guys are right. Maybe I'm not giving Adebayor a chance... he's young, strong and a very tall striker. I just like the fact that Eto'o is a bit more proven...
Comparing from DCs to DCs that is...
Glad to see we can agree on something.
I'm happy we don't have Materazzi or Barzagli on our team. Well good luck to Wolfsburg with Barzagli. There is a reason I don't think any teams want him.
And to think about it, I would be alright with Adebayor... but I would be more happy with Eto'o (and we should get Kameni as well).
There must be something that we must agree with.
My concern with Eto'o is his price as Galliani stated that Barca is a place of expensive price.
Regardless, a world-class striker is going to cost A LOT OF $$$$. That rest assumes.
Giancarlo
13-06-2008, 17:55
There must be something that we must agree with.
My concern with Eto'o is his price as Galliani stated that Barca is a place of expensive price.
Yeah but Adebayor is no bargain either... Arsenal want like 30 million pounds for him I think...
Or maybe... we should look at that player Jo from CSKA...
@Tony29
How much Barca paid for only Zambrotta (not including Thuram)?
They were sold in a package. Barcelona payed €20 million for both of them.
Newspapers speculated with a number of €14 million for Zambrotta and €6 million for Thuram, but there is another version that says all the €20 million were for Zambrotta while Thuram was only the condition for Bracelona to get Zambrotta.
Juve were trying desperately to get rid of Thuram and his wages. Milan wanted Zambrotta but they didn't want Thuram. At the end Barcelona accepted to take both of them for the price of one and they payed Juve €20 million.
Thanks Tony29 for your information.
t.gianni
13-06-2008, 20:22
Emmanuel Adebayor’s Rossoneri move is back on after his agent confessed, “it’s difficult to turn down Milan.”
General manager Adriano Galliani has publicly named the Arsenal striker as the primary transfer target.
Although he said he was happy at the Emirates, agent Stephane Courbis painted a different picture.
“It is difficult to say if Emmanuel will play for Milan,” he told Italian station Radio Radio TV.
“I know the club has been in contact with Arsenal and now it all depends on the intentions of the English side.
“Milan are a great club, among the best in the world, and when a team like that wants to buy you, you have to think about it very carefully.
“There has to be an agreement between the two clubs. Adebayor is happy at Arsenal, but when a player is tracked by Milan, it is difficult to turn them down.”
The comments are pennies from Heaven for Galliani, who is finding it very difficult to tempt a world class striker to San Siro after failing to qualify for the Champions League.
Arsene Wenger still has no intention of parting with the Togo international for less than £30m, but Adebayor’s manager is putting a cat among the ***eons.
After all, Milan have already tempted Mathieu Flamini across to Serie A in an out-of-contract swoop.
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/jun14f.html
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Positive development in our search for new world class striker. I'd go for Adebayor over Eto'o and Drogba because he is much younger. Also, of the three shortlisted strikers, Adebayor seems to create the least amount of trouble for his team.
We will end up spending 30 million pounds which would be a massive hit to the clubs finances. Still, the juice is very much worth the squeeze.
Maybe Galliani should ask Moggi how Moggi could take Vieira for cheap price. :D
I sure hope the Adebayor move materializes. The guy is just 24 and scored 30 goals last year. He was a handful for Nesta, Kala, Maldini when we played them in CL. I think he would be the perfect striker for us: big, powerful, tall, and also very agile and fast.
About his finishing abilities---hey he's not the finished article yet, he will improve and at 27-28 will reach the peak of his career. I wouldnt mind if we shelled out big money for him this summer----I would prefer him over Etoo.
remote2book
13-06-2008, 20:52
I sure hope the Adebayor move materializes. The guy is just 24 and scored 30 goals last year. He was a handful for Nesta, Kala, Maldini when we played them in CL. I think he would be the perfect striker for us: big, powerful, tall, and also very agile and fast.
About his finishing abilities---hey he's not the finished article yet, he will improve and at 27-28 will reach the peak of his career. I wouldnt mind if we shelled out big money for him this summer----I would prefer him over Etoo.
agree completely although i wouldnt mind which ever striker(eto'o drogba or adebayor) we get but i PREFER adebayor we will see
If you watch how he played last season and this season, you will notice that he is improving so much. This season is only his second season to play regularly. He is still in the making.
Giancarlo
13-06-2008, 22:27
Okay maybe I'm convinced... but we need results... we can't have any more strikers in the making. While Pato is that way... we took a calculated risk with him. After the whole business with Gilardino you can understand my apprehension..
Bosniaco
13-06-2008, 23:08
I prefer Adebayor over Etoo primarly because of his age. Etoo is more proven but older too he is like 28 or something.
I also like to see Huntelar play for us, guy scores 30 + goals every season, he should not cost more then 20 mil.
t.gianni
13-06-2008, 23:16
Okay maybe I'm convinced... but we need results... we can't have any more strikers in the making. While Pato is that way... we took a calculated risk with him. After the whole business with Gilardino you can understand my apprehension..
Adebayor is a lot more developed than Pato. He is capable of being our first striker. He was the main striker for Arsenal. He is just starting to come into his prime. He would be perfect for us.
In case of Kaka, people seem to notice his creativity, speed, accuracy and everything a top Brazilian footballer should be known for. However, the reason why he so successful in Italy is because he is physically so strong. Adebayor is also very strong. His display against us in CL showed everybody that he is capable of shoving powerful players like Nesta and Kaladze aside easily. So, I just don't see any reason why we shouldn't long for him.
Surely, he would cost us 10 million pounds more than Drogba or Eto'o but at the same time is still young and can give us 8 - 10 years of service.
Giancarlo
13-06-2008, 23:24
I prefer Adebayor over Etoo primarly because of his age. Etoo is more proven but older too he is like 28 or something.
I also like to see Huntelar play for us, guy scores 30 + goals every season, he should not cost more then 20 mil.
Huntelaar won't do any better than Gilardino because his ball control isn't that good.
Eto'o is 27... the reason I prefer him is because he's like the middle between Adebayor and Drogba... Drogba is too old now... and Adebayor isn't developed enough for immediate results.
But then again neither will come cheap, but we should look to spend big bucks...
Giancarlo
13-06-2008, 23:39
What about Andrei Arshavin? He's an attacking mid/second strker like Ronaldinho, and he could actually supplement the attacking teeth of Milan... he's very fast and has superb control...
Gabriel489
13-06-2008, 23:52
WOW what a mistake by Zambro. I HOPE this is not a sign of things to come from him
That mistake had more to do with miscommunications than Zambro being beated one on one. IF Nesta or Canna was playing in the middle, they will scream at Zambro about passing it back to them instead of Buffon.
After watching last nite, I must say that whatever Seedorf said about leaving the Dutch team is questionable as I can't imagine Seedorf having a chance to play not to mention start for this Dutch team.
Adebayor is a lot more developed than Pato. He is capable of being our first striker. He was the main striker for Arsenal. He is just starting to come into his prime. He would be perfect for us.
In case of Kaka, people seem to notice his creativity, speed, accuracy and everything a top Brazilian footballer should be known for. However, the reason why he so successful in Italy is because he is physically so strong. Adebayor is also very strong. His display against us in CL showed everybody that he is capable of shoving powerful players like Nesta and Kaladze aside easily. So, I just don't see any reason why we shouldn't long for him.
Surely, he would cost us 10 million pounds more than Drogba or Eto'o but at the same time is still young and can give us 8 - 10 years of service.
You are absolutly right. Ade is a ready player but he is still improving. I said in my previous post that he is in the making, which doenst mean that he is not a ready player like Pato.
What I doubt is his price that would be 10 mil pounds higher than Drogba or Eto'o. Even to level Drogba's price, I still doubt it. Eto'o is much higher than Adebayor. First because Eto'o is a recognized WC striker and second because he is Barca player, which his club always make hard negotiation with us.
My prediciton price : Ade wont be higher than 25 mil pounds, should be around 15 till around 20 mil pounds, Drogba around 20 mil pounds, Eto'o at least around 25 mil pounds. I am talking about price would be agreed, not price that is asked by the players' clubs
Maybe Galliani should ask Moggi how Moggi could take Vieira for cheap price. :D
Moggi has many reliable connections everywhere.
Hey, why do you guys talk about adebayor? Is he linked with us? Sorry, I've missed so many news, because I am busy.
Well, I will be more than Happy If Adebayor moves to Milan :pp20:
But how's Eto'o? It seems we always have new target everyday.
I see everyone has been trying to find the perfect solution at striker and to my surprise nobody has called up Luis Fabiano's name,
If everyone remembers Fabiano did play with Kaka at Sao Paulo right and they were pretty good together,Fabiano scored 118goals in 160games in 4years.Ricki and Luis played about 60games together and they were very good.
Oh by they way Fabiano scored 34goals in 44games this year in Spain and he is peaking at the age of 27.And yes no ridiculous price tag.
Some of you guys kill me with all this age talk,players are all different some decline and improve.That's why it becomes a judgement call.
Serie a leading scorer this year:Del piero 21goals will be 34 this year,Trezeguet 20goals will 31 this year and let's not forget Toni in Germany,
all i hear is Gomez this Gomez that.I would take Luca over Gomez anytime,because he proved he score Serie A and in Germany.
That's age for you guys.
hishamilan
14-06-2008, 02:00
it seems adebayor is closer to us now than ever ... guys in my view point adebayor is a good player certainly class over etoo and 7 years younger than drogba .. but believe me he isn't the player we are looking for i remember ancelotti saying we need a strong player like toni who can lay down the ball to pato believe me that ain't adebayor ... adebayor takes the ball perform tricks get fouls exactly like pato so it would be wiser to get the more powerful more experienced more cheap DROGBA .. ot even gomez believe me!!!!
Giancarlo
14-06-2008, 02:03
Toni has been totally absent in the Euro 2008... maybe it's all the effort he put in the Bundesliga...
I hear alot of Adebayor bashing on these forums but how many Arsenal games have you even seen? I'm not comparing Drogba to Ade because to me Drogba is an excellent striker but you must understand Didier is on his way down, he has only what 1/2 more years left in him? Whose next? Eto? How much trouble has he caused in Barcelona? Also not only that I personally think Ade adds something to the game which no other player can, look over the 2 games against Milan - I think Nesta & Co. struggled a bit with his height and strength.
World class CB in the form of Rio Ferdinand, John Terry and Jamie Carragher have said that Adebayor is one of the most diffcult striker to mark because he has too much strenght but you still doubt him? Even after the CL games Maldini & Nesta came out giving Adebayor respect but you still doubt him?
To me he has been just as influential to Arsenal as Ronaldo has been to United and Torres to Liverpool. A team like Arsenal does create a lot of chances but Van Persie only played for 2/3 months in the whole season, Eduardo was out since Feb and Adebayor more or less carried the whole team. The through balls Cesc feeds him I can see at Milan but this time its Kaka and he would be really strong in the air, causing many problems for the Italian defense.
For one, he is force fed many chances. In Italy the chances are fewer because of the defensive nature of the way teams play. We can't rely on bad finishing.
You judge this on what? You're talking like Adebayor is 28/29 and he has no more room for improvement. He's only 24, a very young striker and he's exactly what Milan need, fresh young blood.
Fair enough majority of Adebayors goals came from headers, but those are he's strengths he's tall and strong and he uses this to his advantage. Not only this but have you seen some of the other goals he scored? With pure individual briiliance - check youtube his goals vs the tottenham scum superb volley, his goal against newcastle etc
LOL. No. Teams in Italy play with a very defensive style, and pattern. Sometimes you only see 1-0 wins... I just am not keen with Adebayor. Either way, Milan plays a very different style than Arsenal, and I do not recommend that Milan adopts Arsenal' style.
And tell me which teams did a majority of Adebayor's goal come against? Teams like Derby County.. lol. In fact 4 of those goals came in a 6-2 win against Derby county.
No one is asking you to adapt the Arsenal way, I personally think he would be a big hit in Milan but thats if only Arsenal decide to sell. However to me he would be a much better alternative to Eto or Drogba. So by your logic Ronaldo is not that much of a great player because he scored majority of his goals against lower teams? What cost Milan the 4th place this season? It was no striker stepping up against the smaller weak teams - exactly what Adebayor is.
Not only 4 goals against Derby County, but goals against Milan, United, Liverpool etc.
hitmannq8
14-06-2008, 03:08
Can't believe you guys actually believe that Adebayor is in our real wishlist, what have you been doing for the past mercatos? :tired:
No way Milan will play 30m for Adebayor, hell even if he was 10million I would be sad if we got him. I still think Drogba, Eto'o and Adebayor are all smokescreens..the target always was Ronaldinho..but even if we get him we still do need a striker, I hope they don't to get one again :pchate:
Giancarlo
14-06-2008, 03:10
I hear alot of Adebayor bashing on these forums but how many Arsenal games have you even seen? I'm not comparing Drogba to Ade because to me Drogba is an excellent striker but you must understand Didier is on his way down, he has only what 1/2 more years left in him? Whose next? Eto? How much trouble has he caused in Barcelona? Also not only that I personally think Ade adds something to the game which no other player can, look over the 2 games against Milan - I think Nesta & Co. struggled a bit with his height and strength.
For one, I already told you this and you seem to have ignored it. The emphasis on television here is the EPL on the sports channels. If there are live games, they show EPL games... over the Serie A. Sometimes there are live Serie A games, but usually they are shown later as a replay. Eto'o might be a hot head, but he is one that scores consistently and he has proven that. In addition to that we could go for Espanyol keeper Kameni.. which could convince Eto'o to come...
I'm not the only one not convinced by Adebayor.
World class CB in the form of Rio Ferdinand, John Terry and Jamie Carragher have said that Adebayor is one of the most diffcult striker to mark because he has too much strenght but you still doubt him? Even after the CL games Maldini & Nesta came out giving Adebayor respect but you still doubt him?
I'm not disrespecting him. But I've heard numerous Arsenal fans doubt him as a striker and many of these in England who has seen the guy play. Like it or not, he's one of the most wasteful strikers many of them have seen...
His finishing is bad. I'm not going to go with the risk of saying "lets sign him and see if he improves"...
You judge this on what? You're talking like Adebayor is 28/29 and he has no more room for improvement. He's only 24, a very young striker and he's exactly what Milan need, fresh young blood.
Here we go again. This is based on what I see from Arsenal games I've seen on television. I'm not doubting that he's a very talented striker... but so was Gilardino. Fresh young blood? No. I'd rather go with experience... like with Eto'o. A proven consistent scorer who is also strong. He's causing problems in Barcelona because of the way Barcelona is as a team. There is no respect there... the players want to all do their own thing.
Fair enough majority of Adebayors goals came from headers, but those are he's strengths he's tall and strong and he uses this to his advantage. Not only this but have you seen some of the other goals he scored? With pure individual briiliance - check youtube his goals vs the tottenham scum superb volley, his goal against newcastle etc
In Italy, forwards and attacking midfielders (like Kaka) are more heavily marked than in England... don't you see this as a problem? He'll have to do a lot in little room given to him by tough Italian defenders.
No one is asking you to adapt the Arsenal way, I personally think he would be a big hit in Milan but thats if only Arsenal decide to sell. However to me he would be a much better alternative to Eto or Drogba. So by your logic Ronaldo is not that much of a great player because he scored majority of his goals against lower teams? What cost Milan the 4th place this season? It was no striker stepping up against the smaller weak teams - exactly what Adebayor is.
Your opinion. Not mine. I just don't think he's suited at all for Milan. I gave you my reasons.
Giancarlo
14-06-2008, 03:13
Can't believe you guys actually believe that Adebayor is in our real wishlist, what have you been doing for the past mercatos? :tired:
No way Milan will play 30m for Adebayor, hell even if he was 10million I would be sad if we got him. I still think Drogba, Eto'o and Adebayor are all smokescreens..the target always was Ronaldinho..but even if we get him we still do need a striker, I hope they don't to get one again :pchate:
No. This transfer season is different than previous ones. And with the departure of several players it will have to be. Not only that the finishing in 5th place was a big wake up call.
I don't agree with signing Adebayor anyways. I think we should look at Andrei Arshavin...
Moggi has many reliable connections everywhere.
Hey, why do you guys talk about adebayor? Is he linked with us? Sorry, I've missed so many news, because I am busy.
Well, I will be more than Happy If Adebayor moves to Milan :pp20:
But how's Eto'o? It seems we always have new target everyday.
Adebayor is linked with us now with the price aproximately 40 millions Euro :rollani: not to mention to underrated Ade's quality... but that price is overrated for someone who just 1 good season (have to say brilliant season) in Arsenal. and i dont think Arsenal would let him go. which is i think they shouldnt have to do that. and we should go for other like Berbatov perhaps :whie: hopefully Berbatov's tag price wouldnt be way overrated.
Maybe Milan will really pay 30-40 mln for Adebayor. It wouldnt be strange actually.
As Ghost said, how many Arsenal matches did you guys see? I've seen like 80% of all Arsenal matches this season and Adebayor played real world class football. He missed some chances, but it doesnt matter. He scored more then torres and phisically wise was absolutly untouchible! We all know that Nesta is a player that phisically cannot be beaten and had huge problems with 1 0j 1's with Adebayor. He is a huge player that can play Toni role and also has technique. The fact he ikes to dribble now and then is not a problem, those thigs depend of coaches wishes on the field. Adebayor is 24 years old ( just turned I thinkj ) and is a real investment for the future.
toni is 31, Drogba also ( and was injured last season and missed half of it ). Right now I claim that Drogba is a better palyer, but that is just RIGHT NOW. In 2 years Drogba will be 33 and Adebayor 26 and still have 5 years in MIlan.
I've seen Adebayor literary tourchuring defnders and not losing a single air duel during the match. He is a class palyer, a little rough on the endges as people say, but certanly a great player. Wenger knows that and is asking fair money.
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More, I've herad before that Milan will play 4-2-3-1 and that could be it, like Holland or Portugal now. Milan needs to change sistem badly.
Necessarities in this team are one more GK and one more CB. Extras are one more fast midfielder who will replace Gourcuff ( wouldnt mind Rosina at all, anmd there is VdV to be sold, Silva from Valencia and those tipe of players...Brasiliero mentioned that Hernanes, who is 23, already played as a AM, RB and DM.....wow).
-----------------------Boruc-----------------
--Zambrotta----Nesta---Zapata--Kaladze-------
-------------Flamini----Gattuso-----------
-------PAto---------Kaka'-------Pirlo----------
-------------------Adebayor-----
That is a rough scetch how would new sistem look like. I've put Kaladze as a LB as those are also caracteristics he can play well. In those formations with 4 attacking players there is almost always one fullback who is defensive ( Ferreira in Portugal playing LB, Boulharuz in Holand as RB, Simunic plays somethimes LB for Cro and so on...Essien in Chelsea). So basically you play with 3 in line at the back when you attack and you defend with 6 players that can defend brilliantly. Favalli, Antonini and Marek are ok, but Kaladze canm also play LB greatly and has defensive stability, and forus its safer he plays there then at the CB. Therefore we need one more good CB ( Mexes, Zapata...)
Sorry for the long post, I just tryed to talk about variations a bit.
i don't know whay !! but i have feeling that we will end up with Drogba Ronaldinho Zapata Boruc at the end of summer mercato (hope this come true)
Giancarlo
14-06-2008, 03:41
I hope Milan considers Arshavin, Eto'o, Kameni, and Zapata... Arshavin is a great attacking midfielder that could come cheap and he's experienced too... Eto'o is pricey, but worth it. Kameni is a superb keeper with great reflexes and is a national teammate of Eto'o...
I think we need to buckle down and get to it... we've got 5 players coming in... if Kameni is bought he can be first choice, then Abbiati as 2nd, and Kalac as third choice. And Kameni is that young goalkeeper (24) many are demanding... Espanyol are strapped for cash... now is our chance.
kastriot
14-06-2008, 03:54
I hope Milan considers Arshavin, Eto'o, Kameni, and Zapata... Arshavin is a great attacking midfielder that could come cheap and he's experienced too... Eto'o is pricey, but worth it. Kameni is a superb keeper with great reflexes and is a national teammate of Eto'o...
I think we need to buckle down and get to it... we've got 5 players coming in... if Kameni is bought he can be first choice, then Abbiati as 2nd, and Kalac as third choice. And Kameni is that young goalkeeper (24) many are demanding... Espanyol are strapped for cash... now is our chance.
can we have both kameni and etoo???? I`m guessing eto has a Eu passport,right?
Giancarlo
14-06-2008, 03:55
can we have both kameni and etoo???? I`m guessing eto has a Eu passport,right?
I'm not sure about that...
Maybe Milan will really pay 30-40 mln for Adebayor. It wouldnt be strange actually.
As Ghost said, how many Arsenal matches did you guys see? I've seen like 80% of all Arsenal matches this season and Adebayor played real world class football. He missed some chances, but it doesnt matter. He scored more then torres and phisically wise was absolutly untouchible! We all know that Nesta is a player that phisically cannot be beaten and had huge problems with 1 0j 1's with Adebayor. He is a huge player that can play Toni role and also has technique. The fact he ikes to dribble now and then is not a problem, those thigs depend of coaches wishes on the field. Adebayor is 24 years old ( just turned I thinkj ) and is a real investment for the future.
toni is 31, Drogba also ( and was injured last season and missed half of it ). Right now I claim that Drogba is a better palyer, but that is just RIGHT NOW. In 2 years Drogba will be 33 and Adebayor 26 and still have 5 years in MIlan.
I've seen Adebayor literary tourchuring defnders and not losing a single air duel during the match. He is a class palyer, a little rough on the endges as people say, but certanly a great player. Wenger knows that and is asking fair money.
from what i read
i imagine that adebayor is like ibra.
Gabriel489
14-06-2008, 04:43
I really don't want to be a party pooper, but pls don't bring your hopes up about Adebayor or any other big name signings until really really reliable source began to state it, as if they don't sign with me, you will end up getting piss and mad at our MGT, which infact our MGT might not even enquire about that player.
As for Adebayor, u see people say that u can't base your judgement on a player for one year and yet, the same people say that someone is going to break out after a great season. So it really how u look at it.
To me, Adebayor if the price is around the same as Drogba/ Eto and others, would probably be a good buy since he has more mileage left in his tank. Having said all that, I just wish Milan to sign at least one 20+ goals striker for the coming season, if he is a no name, fine with me, as long as he gets 20+ goals for Milan.
ACMILAN1983
14-06-2008, 04:54
Adebayor is a fantastic striker to get if we get him (admittedly I had lost all hope over the past few months). Physically, he's exactly what we need, a tall, strong and physical player that is very good at winning headers. Technically he's a very good player that's very capable on the ball, and also has fair pace.
Another strength is his movement, as he's very good at moving defenders out of position to give space to those behind him. If Van Persie wasn't injured so much this season Arsenal would have been even better as he likes to shoot.
Maybe Milan will really pay 30-40 mln for Adebayor. It wouldnt be strange actually.
As Ghost said, how many Arsenal matches did you guys see? I've seen like 80% of all Arsenal matches this season and Adebayor played real world class football. He missed some chances, but it doesnt matter. He scored more then torres and phisically wise was absolutly untouchible! We all know that Nesta is a player that phisically cannot be beaten and had huge problems with 1 0j 1's with Adebayor. He is a huge player that can play Toni role and also has technique. The fact he ikes to dribble now and then is not a problem, those thigs depend of coaches wishes on the field. Adebayor is 24 years old ( just turned I thinkj ) and is a real investment for the future.
toni is 31, Drogba also ( and was injured last season and missed half of it ). Right now I claim that Drogba is a better palyer, but that is just RIGHT NOW. In 2 years Drogba will be 33 and Adebayor 26 and still have 5 years in MIlan.
I've seen Adebayor literary tourchuring defnders and not losing a single air duel during the match. He is a class palyer, a little rough on the endges as people say, but certanly a great player. Wenger knows that and is asking fair money.
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More, I've herad before that Milan will play 4-2-3-1 and that could be it, like Holland or Portugal now. Milan needs to change sistem badly.
Necessarities in this team are one more GK and one more CB. Extras are one more fast midfielder who will replace Gourcuff ( wouldnt mind Rosina at all, anmd there is VdV to be sold, Silva from Valencia and those tipe of players...Brasiliero mentioned that Hernanes, who is 23, already played as a AM, RB and DM.....wow).
-----------------------Boruc-----------------
--Zambrotta----Nesta---Zapata--Kaladze-------
-------------Flamini----Gattuso-----------
-------PAto---------Kaka'-------Pirlo----------
-------------------Adebayor-----
That is a rough scetch how would new sistem look like. I've put Kaladze as a LB as those are also caracteristics he can play well. In those formations with 4 attacking players there is almost always one fullback who is defensive ( Ferreira in Portugal playing LB, Boulharuz in Holand as RB, Simunic plays somethimes LB for Cro and so on...Essien in Chelsea). So basically you play with 3 in line at the back when you attack and you defend with 6 players that can defend brilliantly. Favalli, Antonini and Marek are ok, but Kaladze canm also play LB greatly and has defensive stability, and forus its safer he plays there then at the CB. Therefore we need one more good CB ( Mexes, Zapata...)
Sorry for the long post, I just tryed to talk about variations a bit.
Good post. Only disagreements I have with your lineup is right now I'd play Bonera (I bet Donadoni wishes he took him to the Euros) at RB and Zambro at LB, and I'd switch Pirlo and Kaka around.
I would love Boruc, but realistically I can't see it right now.
hishamilan
14-06-2008, 05:01
mrki ... about the right now business i don't know but maybe in two years gomez would be excellent in spain and we are looking for a replacement for ade ( lickely ) but if you get drogba RIGHT NOW you will have great 2 seasons and greater opportunity to sign a really good player then ... i don't know maybe it's just speculations but i fancy gomez as a new beirhoff and as a supporter and assister to pato ... another thing is the 4-2-3-1 formation it's unapplicable in our current squad you can never play pirlo a winger and pato will lose much to play there also thses large strategic changes happens when you had a good season satisfied with your sqaud and then you get 4 born-wingers then you change your formation but for now we have 4 places empty (most probabely) and we need a new striker a new GK and an new GK as starters so there is only one so called strategic place for a new young player ... so i see currently we stick to our 4-3-1-2 formation :
------------boruc--------------
--zambro--nesta--zapata--janku
----flamini--pirlo--ambo---------
-----------kaka----------------
--drogba/gomez---pato---------
it's again my point of view :devs:
Gio-mania
14-06-2008, 05:08
I've put Kaladze as a LB as those are also caracteristics he can play well.
I agree that he is good in that position. In the CL final vs. L'pool he was a solid sub to jankulovski - who was not too good.
However, i think that before this season started Kaladze announced/said that he wanted to play in a specific position and not change role every match - and preferred CB. So i dont expect that to happen. We could play Zambro on either side, and then have Oddo on the right (although not in great shape) or whoever we have. zambro is very useful esp. for this reason - he can play both left and right.
from what i read
i imagine that adebayor is like ibra.
sort of. Far less technically gifted, however stronger and much better in the air. He is more like Toni/Drogba/etc... a powerful postplayer. he does however possess some technique- so isnt directly useless in that sense.
rinogattuso
14-06-2008, 05:11
Adebayor stay's in London he get new contract 80.000 ponuds per week
Giancarlo lets agree to disagree because this debate can go on forever, to me Adebayor would be the better alternative to Drogba and Eto but I'm sure you prefer Eto. I know Arsenal fans get frustrated with Ade with the chances he misses (I have been one of them) but ask the same fans without Adebayor where would Arsenal be this season?
Gomez has never impressed me one bit to be honest, Mrki that line up looks perfect but you missed out R10. Also if the Ade transfer goes through I doubt it will be anywhere around the sum you're suggesting, it will be between 14-18 Million.
Warro Bantan
14-06-2008, 05:26
Adebayor stay's in London he get new contract 80.000 ponuds per week
Source please?
rinogattuso
14-06-2008, 05:39
Source please?
English medias,The Sun!!
Also if the Ade transfer goes through I doubt it will be anywhere around the sum you're suggesting, it will be between 14-18 Million.
This is really what I thought. Well, you are Arsenal fans and it'd be difficult to say such that price for striker who scored 24 goals for Arsenal.
About people asking about Milan linking with him, it's official comment from Galliani (acmilan.com). He is one of strikers that Milan are chasing.
Warro Bantan
14-06-2008, 05:53
English medias,The Sun!! well...the Sun isn't the most reliable, and I doubt Arsenal would break their wage structure....but u never kno....
Giancarlo
14-06-2008, 06:18
Giancarlo lets agree to disagree because this debate can go on forever, to me Adebayor would be the better alternative to Drogba and Eto but I'm sure you prefer Eto. I know Arsenal fans get frustrated with Ade with the chances he misses (I have been one of them) but ask the same fans without Adebayor where would Arsenal be this season?
Gomez has never impressed me one bit to be honest, Mrki that line up looks perfect but you missed out R10. Also if the Ade transfer goes through I doubt it will be anywhere around the sum you're suggesting, it will be between 14-18 Million.
I personally don't trust Adebayor in delievering what he has to for Milan. I just trust Eto'o because he has huge goal scoring power... and he proves that. He's a prolific scorer... clearly efficient.
Who ever will come, I'll be ok, we actually can't know who will come now because you have everyday a news and its contrary (Adebayor agreeing to come to Milan, and Adebayor saying he wants to stay in Arsenal, Eto'o going to Chelsea and Eto'o going to Milan and Eto'o going to Inter, etc).
_MaJi_tz
14-06-2008, 06:43
Velso very close to Milan
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=736010
Giancarlo
14-06-2008, 06:45
Velso very close to Milan
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=736010
Yeah well that's goal.com lol... I'd like Veloso to play in Milan... but we will see. The price for him was very very high.
Adebayor commits to Arsenal... according to goal.com of course lol...
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=735998
_MaJi_tz
14-06-2008, 06:50
Yeah well that's goal.com lol... I'd like Veloso to play in Milan... but we will see. The price for him was very very high.
Adebayor commits to Arsenal... according to goal.com of course lol...
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=735998
same news for velso on calciomercato tuttomercato....
That's why goal.com is considered unreliable by me :).
Warro Bantan
14-06-2008, 07:13
Although Veloso is undoubtedly an excellent player (potential wise at the very least) I am not sure why we would be after him....and not say....Moutinho, who has actually played for Portugal in the Euros, and who fits the type of player I thought we would be looking for....more of an attacking midfielder...to sub Kaka and Seedorf.
Now, since we already have Flamini...IMO, a defensive midfielder should be the last thing on our minds....unless the plan is to transform him into a CB, which was his original position.
Now if that is the motive behind us targetting him...then I am ok with that.
R10, Adebayor (still prefer Gomez, but prefer the African to Drogba and Etoo) and Veloso/Zapata and I am ok with our mercato....BORUC would b icing on the cake...but who wants a cake with no icing?
:D
but who wants a cake with no icing?
:D
hahaha yeah, cake no icing? no way! :D
At.
(still prefer Gomez, but prefer the African to Drogba and Etoo)
:D
Drogba and Eto'o are also Africans :D
Drogba and Eto'o are also Africans :D
owned :guw: :D
Warro Bantan
14-06-2008, 08:10
Drogba and Eto'o are also Africans :D
Really? I thought they were Dutch!
:rollani:
Drogba Boriello Ronaldinho Flamini Veloso Zapata Zambrotta Boruc if all this come true then we MADE a perfect mercato
last week, we never wanted to sign any portuguese, bow it is we will sign veloso. anyways, i would love to have veloso here, if that wasnt already known, he is a great talent.
and to warro,
he isnt stuck in playing DM, i think Milan may use him more of a CB or maybe even an LB. He is also a good freekick taker, so he can add diversity instead of having pirlo take everything.
on his price, it has been reported that he has asked for his price to be lowered.
my take on adebayor, is that, i dont know why, i jst dont really like him.
1.) he is young
2.) he has a great scoring record
3.) had it in a great league
and the list goes on, so he has a great resume, but i still dont like him, maybe if he moves to milan, then i may change my perception on him.
on the moutinho issues, though i also really want him in milan, i doubt it would happen, as if we play 4-3-2-1, i see pato as the next attacker along side kaka, with seedorf as sub.
abd if its 4-3-1-2. then its Kaka alone, with seedorf as sub, so realistically i dont see it happening, unless we plan to play a new formation.
Warro Bantan
14-06-2008, 09:02
Good points payne....again contingent on the formation Carlo opts for.
There can be little certainty on the formation/lineup at this point, though, since Kaka can "conveniently" be considered a striker, when necessary.
In my view, 4-3-2-1......gives us the point man/striker = Pato or Adebayor/Drogba/Etoo/Boriello....with Seedorf and Kaka in support.
Who is the other support player in ur 2 players behind the striker, if Seedorf is a sub? Moutinho/R10?
4-3-1-2......gives us Pato and the point man/striker = Adebayor/Drogba/Etoo/Boriello...with Kaka/Seedorf in support.
I think one thing is a given...Berlu will want Carlo to field Pato more often next term....so I think he will start more often than not.
I see him partnering any striker/pointman we buy.
This in essence reduces the necessity for a R10, which maybe the rationale for or purported loss of interest....as we will not have space for both Seedorf and Kaka if we play with a traditional trequartista....unless Seedorf agrees to play as a traditional midfielder again, which I don't see happening.
Seed orf cannot play as a central midfielder anymore not becouse he doesnt want to but becouse he cant run alymore as much as fast football is asking him to. Also, he cant play more then half of his games at good enough level. To think that Seedorf can play all season long as AM is a suicide. I hope Galliani will do something about it now when we actually got rid of Gourcuff who was supposed to be the replacement but failed.
If Veloso can really play WELL as a CD and LB then its a smart move to buy him. We dont need another DM player, we have SIX.
Pato is a brilliant player and not to play him all season would be stupid, only if he feels tired or not fit enough he needs to be benched. To waste his talent is a crime. There are no better young players in the world then him.
Villa - why not? If he's to be sold from Valencia eventually. I personally dont think that strong Cf is needed, the forward just needs to be world class. But becouse of his age, Adebayor is our target aguess. Eto'o is a different player but the sistem would be more flexibile with him, on the other hand Ade or Drogba would add more to a long passing of Pirlo.
Sorry for OOT, but I think we'll use 2-striker formation next season (especially when 1 world class comes).
We have now Zambrotta who is/was good regarding defensive skills and he can play on the left side and Bonera/Oddo on the right side plus we aslo have Flamini to play in Pirlo's or old-Seedorf position to support 4-3-1-2 formation. Any new decent CB would make old 4-3-1-2 wake up from his sleep. :D
Just compare this :
Dida
Cafu-Nesta-Maldini/Stam-Serginho/Pancaro
Gattuso-Pirlo-Seedorf
Kaka
Sheva-Inzaghi
with this :
Kalac/new Gk
Bonera/Oddo-Nesta-new CB-Zambrotta
Gattuso/Ambro-Pirlo/Flamini-Flamini/Pirlo
Kaka
Pato-new SC
So, new GK, new CB and new SC will make our line-up look like our legendary 2-sriker fromation (but the old one probably had better subs). :D
Good points payne....again contingent on the formation Carlo opts for.
There can be little certainty on the formation/lineup at this point, though, since Kaka can "conveniently" be considered a striker, when necessary.
In my view, 4-3-2-1......gives us the point man/striker = Pato or Adebayor/Drogba/Etoo/Boriello....with Seedorf and Kaka in support.
Who is the other support player in ur 2 players behind the striker, if Seedorf is a sub? Moutinho/R10?
4-3-1-2......gives us Pato and the point man/striker = Adebayor/Drogba/Etoo/Boriello...with Kaka/Seedorf in support.
I think one thing is a given...Berlu will want Carlo to field Pato more often next term....so I think he will start more often than not.
I see him partnering any striker/pointman we buy.
This in essence reduces the necessity for a R10, which maybe the rationale for or purported loss of interest....as we will not have space for both Seedorf and Kaka if we play with a traditional trequartista....unless Seedorf agrees to play as a traditional midfielder again, which I don't see happening.
as in it would be
------------Ade------------ or ---------Ade---------Pato--------
----Pato-----------KAka---- or ---------------Kaka---------------
look at the formation below, this formation is what was played by Milan, and we were dominant then, this formation, can easily be used again.
If we get Veloso, it will be just to replace Brocchi or Emerson (and what a replacement !! It's a plus-value for the team !!) ... so let's take him and let's let going Brocchi or Emerson.
Especially Brocchi. :D
Please Brocchi, leave Milan. What do you expect from Milan? hehe
I still like to see Emerson when he is fit. He has still something, he has shown it in one game last season but poorly his form was not yet 100% because of injury.
Guys stop kidding yourselfs Milan will never break the Bank on a player like Adebayor,30million pounds for someone who was bought for 4million pounds just 3-4years ago.He just reminds of another Anelka,a player who became very good in Arsne Wengars system.
Name me the last Attacker that left Wengars team,to continue his form?
Also when is the last Milan bought anyone from England for a pricetag?
The English League is way overpriced and Milan are bargain hunters,i doubt Milan will spend more than 15million pounds on a striker.
Just like last year and the years before that,Milan will talk up a strom during this transfer period and they will not buy Eto,Drogba or Adebayor they are just too pricey.Milan will buy someone who is not on the radar right now and i think he will make sense when we do buy that player.
Gabriel489
14-06-2008, 09:54
IF Germany gets kick out of Euro, that is a BIG If ofcourse, I think the price on Gomez will drop or at least will not increase, as he is not having a great tourney. Actually, I think the few players that gone up in value are, Bouharlez(Holland RB), Snejider, Deco, Srna, and Podolski
Gabriel489
14-06-2008, 09:58
I think both Brocchi and Emerson will be gone if we land Veluso, as the another young player will be in that role.
what happen with the 6+5 rule, is it going to be implemented soon?
wonder how much it will affect our transfer strategy...
Gomez tag would drop...but it's because he has been totally anonymous. That's kind of a problem, although Germany looked like they were on tranquilizers against Croatia. I just don't see the movement around the box area in Gomez that I would like-I don't want another stationary striker a la Gilardino.
Hey, Adebayor appears set to stay at Arsenal :5dito:
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11863_3689817,00.html
Gabriel489
14-06-2008, 12:11
Even Benezma stocks is dropping
Milano84
14-06-2008, 12:55
i want david villa
Giancarlo
14-06-2008, 13:03
Guys stop kidding yourselfs Milan will never break the Bank on a player like Adebayor,30million pounds for someone who was bought for 4million pounds just 3-4years ago.He just reminds of another Anelka,a player who became very good in Arsne Wengars system.
Name me the last Attacker that left Wengars team,to continue his form?
Also when is the last Milan bought anyone from England for a pricetag?
The English League is way overpriced and Milan are bargain hunters,i doubt Milan will spend more than 15million pounds on a striker.
Just like last year and the years before that,Milan will talk up a strom during this transfer period and they will not buy Eto,Drogba or Adebayor they are just too pricey.Milan will buy someone who is not on the radar right now and i think he will make sense when we do buy that player.
This time Milan is spending a lot to get new players... for example, the payments for Zambrotta was just worked out (officially, though this deal was announced weeks ago). I think Milan is going to spend a lot on a striker, and I think that striker is Eto'o. I know full well about Anelka, and how his form crashed.
We aren't bargain hunters. Zambrotta was no bargain. While some object to the payments being high to Barcelona, I think that shows we are willing to spend what we have to.
I say we just play it safe and buy Eto'o.
Of course David Villa pulled off a stunner today... and he's convincing me...
Milano84
14-06-2008, 13:06
itll prob be drogba... chelsea want to move him. barca and arsenal donwant to move eto'o and ade.....
im just hoping berbatov resurfaces
Giancarlo
14-06-2008, 13:08
itll prob be drogba... chelsea want to move him. barca and arsenal donwant to move eto'o and ade.....
im just hoping berbatov resurfaces
He's too old... Berbatov is probably moving to a different EPL club...
Milano84
14-06-2008, 13:10
tottenham REALLY dont want to sell berbatov to an epl club...i'm sure you see the logic there...
agreed on drogba... but would it suprise you?
Giancarlo
14-06-2008, 13:15
tottenham REALLY dont want to sell berbatov to an epl club...i'm sure you see the logic there...
agreed on drogba... but would it suprise you?
I don't think Milan are all that interested in Drogba, and I don't think Chelsea are interested in selling him either. Even less than Adebayor leaving arsenal. And I honestly think that Milan is looking for a long term investment on a striker.
I still think it's Eto'o. Though I'd much rather see David Villa come... I'm not sure about that. And to add to our attacking maybe the unlikely Andrei Arshavin...
For Anelka, he did pretty well in Turkey and back in England in Bolton ... but he made a mistake by joining Chelsea I think.
So he's not a "Wenger product who can only be used by Wenger" ...
Milano84
14-06-2008, 13:23
I don't think Milan are all that interested in Drogba, and I don't think Chelsea are interested in selling him either. Even less than Adebayor leaving arsenal. And I honestly think that Milan is looking for a long term investment on a striker.
I still think it's Eto'o. Though I'd much rather see David Villa come... I'm not sure about that. And to add to our attacking maybe the unlikely Andrei Arshavin...
i hope you're right but everything ive seen has made me think milan are very interested in drogba....
Giancarlo
14-06-2008, 13:28
i hope you're right but everything ive seen has made me think milan are very interested in drogba....
I dunno about that... we'll see.
Warro Bantan
14-06-2008, 13:46
Drogba has now recanted his "want away stance"...think I read it on theGuardian this am.
So he's not a "Wenger product who can only be used by Wenger" ...
I strongly disagree, Anelka has never fulfilled his true potential he once had in his early days at Arsenal. Believe me at the age of 20 this kid had more potential than Henry.
I must say Wenger is crafty when it comes to letting players go as I can't remember a player who has become a star after leaving him.
remote2book
14-06-2008, 14:46
dissapointed that Adebayor is gonna stay with arsenal i really wanted to see him in milan but you never know....now it seems like its either gonna be eto'o or drogba or mr "X" who ever it is hopefully we get done things quickly rather than waiting
How do you rate podolski !!... I think the guy can fit well in our system
striker with Pato & kaka behind them ( He did well during WC 06 in that role)
AM with Kaka behind pato ( he is currently doing well in Euro in that position on the left wing)
Read earlier he was linked to Fiorentina. He should not be very expensive and he is young.
Giancarlo
14-06-2008, 15:14
How do you rate podolski !!... I think the guy can fit well in our system
striker with Pato & kaka behind them ( He did well during WC 06 in that role)
AM with Kaka behind pato ( he is currently doing well in Euro in that position on the left wing)
Read earlier he was linked to Fiorentina. He should not be very expensive and he is young.
That's definitely a good idea. He seems to be playing better than Mario Gomes... we should definitely get him so Fiorentina doesn't.
Milano84
14-06-2008, 15:15
i really dont think we'll sign eto'o or adebayor. arsene wenger is keen on keeping adebayor. Eto'o is wanted by chelsea and inter leading to a bidding war. He'll cost more than 40, something we wont pay (rightfully)...... so who does this leave?
drogba- i do not want him. He's 30, and hurt alot last year...
and then after that its reall speculation? Jo (might be best prospect because of his relation w/ pato... but i dont know if he is that good yet...but if u really believe boriello can contribute and pippo has more in the tank, it might be worth it)
berbatov? i agree w/ giancarlo he'll rpob go to an epl team but man, if galliani steps up his bidding on him we r in drivers seat.... Berbatov grew up a big ac milan fan, and a fan of van basten... and tottenham want to move him outside england. not to a team above them they r trying to compete w/
gomez does not impress me.... I'd like to see huntelaar, villa, or podolski's names linked
remote2book
14-06-2008, 16:42
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=736642
are we that cheap??
That is surely a template those sites have started using.
Lets start a Milan rumour...'insert player name costs too much'
Of course we are not going to outspend every team but these silly rumours are getting too repetitious
Giancarlo
14-06-2008, 17:07
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=736642
are we that cheap??
ARe you the quick to believe goal.com?
We spent a lot of money on one player already (Zambrotta)... what makes you think we won't spend a lot on others?
How about we buy Roman Pavluchenko and Alexander Anyukov? These two players have been putting up strong performances... the Russian market may be cheaper... and what great talents they are...
kastriot
14-06-2008, 17:13
That is surely a template those sites have started using.
Lets start a Milan rumour...'insert player name costs too much'
That is soooo truee!!!! you know whats even more annoying,that same template is replying over over again from our management for every player we`ve been linked with.
Episode nr.1 :
We are interested to _________ player!!!
We approach the ________ player!!
Than we meet with ________ club officials!!
They give green light!!
The_______ player wants milan!!!
We have an agreement with the________player!!!
Another round of meetings with ________ club officials!!!
The________club asks this __$___ price!!
Berluor& Galiani go public a and say his_______ overpriced and expensive for us!!
almost every player that we have been linked for can be inserted in the blanks
So sad!!
Giancarlo
14-06-2008, 17:15
I think it's sites like goal.com that exaggerate certain things. I don't think we wanted Adebayor to begin with.
remote2book
14-06-2008, 17:21
i know goal.com isnt reliable but i am just saying because the quote in the article is taken from berlu and if he said this than if we cant pay for adebayor than how are we gonna pay for players that are actually proven and not just young and upcoming but you guys are right these sites do exgerate alot
Hasan Rossonero
14-06-2008, 17:34
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=736642
are we that cheap??
Unfortunately yes. We won't pay top dollar (euro) for the top talent because we are miserly and we penny pinch. Not qualifying for the CL does not help either. Don't hold your breath because we won't be getting anyone big for the striker department. In fact, we may not get a striker at all and use Paloschi as a contingency plan.
Hopefully, I am wrong, but I think come August 31st we will have signed no one of note for the striker department.
Giovanni
14-06-2008, 17:36
Last year deficit was around -60 m.
This year we must add -30 for not qualifying in CL.
Sadly yes, we have few moneys and if we'll invest some big moneys, it'll be for just 1 player.
Graeme C
14-06-2008, 17:50
I would rather have 6 underated players instead of a overated youngster. I can see the management turning arround and saying august 31st oh sorry we couldnt sign anyone.
Its there fault in a way that we have wasted so much money on Emerson, Oliviera.. I really thought this summer we would clean up the squad, oh wage structure is a joke. Dida has to be the most expensive bench goalee ever..
Graeme C
14-06-2008, 17:58
** i was kinda hoping we would sort out some of the issues from last season.
I think the biggest thing we need which not many people have said here is a like for like backup for Pirlo! Without pirlo our game fell apart, same thing without kaka. For a successful tranfers season we need at least the following
Pirlo sub- Cigarini?
Centerback- Zapata/ Canini?
Attacking Midfielder ?
Another decent left back? Grosso/ Pasquale/ Vargas?
New goalee, even if its a youth guy to come in second place. Also as we lose Dida.
Warro Bantan
14-06-2008, 18:11
I wonder what the ultras have to say about our mercato so far?
I haven't returned I just wanted to test out my spanking new signature that made me change the one I've had for years (yeah, it's THAT good :D )
In other and completely unrelated news Barcelona signed Alves for nearly 16 Million more than our guy. Of course Alves is overrated and has done nothing of commanding such an inflated transfer fee. Maybe whan he can say that he has provided crucial assists to Paul Scholes, Adrian Mutu and Kuyt- then he might be worth half the tag...and by then we'll have him for the same price we got Zambrotta for.
Our approach to the transfermarket is kinda like an archaeological videogame collector- we're boasting about the Atari and Pong we got in good condition while laughing at our idiot neighbours who bought the unproven junk like the PS3 and the Wii and is inviting all the kids on the block over to play
Here is the answer Milan is not cheap,i just think Milan do not want to be burned on players like Adebayor 30million dollars for a player that has had one good year?
Yes he is 24 and improve,maybe different league,different style of play and to honest with you guys.He holds onto the ball to long,just like Ronaldinho.You guys have to remember the teams attack will always run through Pirlo and Kaka.
I'm tired of listening to newspapers and Milan fans wishing for Ronaldinho,it makes no sense.He would kill Pirlo and Kaka's games,with hold on the ball.GET IT OUT OF YOUR MINDS HE IS NOT COMING,BE LOGICAL.
Just like said earlier before the latest news on Adebayor,don't expect these players coming.Milan already know who they are targeting and it's nobody that the newspapers have talking about.
The only player that i think Milan are really interested is out of these names is Berbatov,plays well with out the ball and also creates for others.He will not get in the way of players like Kaka,Pato,Pippo and Seedorf.
Don't be surprised if Milan do sign a player that i named earlier like Jeremy Menez,if there is no solution with a big name striker.
Did Milan win the CL with a big target man?NO,with Kaka always going to be in the mix.Milan will play on the ground and not in the air.Put some thoughts in your opinions and remember Milan use be the big spenders in Europe until players like,Lentini,Papin,Dugarry,Ziege,Contra,Moreno,Redondo,Gila,Oliviera,Ronaldo,and of course Jose Mari flopped.Milan will always make mistakes,but i believe they are trying to limit them.
Hasan Rossonero
14-06-2008, 19:06
Last year deficit was around -60 m.
This year we must add -30 for not qualifying in CL.
Sadly yes, we have few moneys and if we'll invest some big moneys, it'll be for just 1 player.
Another option could be Italian players. What about Di Natale or Quagliarella? Ok they may not fit the bill of the big target man, but still...
remote2book
14-06-2008, 19:16
i have to agree dru with everything you said and the signature :respect:.and you should change your avatar to the one from R&B Forums :haha:...hassan you are right i remember us being linked with di natalie and fabio(?) but i doubt it we will go for them like you said they dont fit the target man and Warro i read on a different forums about the ultras on the mercato
"It's reported that Galliani met with some fans from CS, many of them from FDL. The fans demanded that the club would hold its promises, like buying a great player before the 21st July.
If nothing happens, the fans warned Galliani that they'll protest, and this time not with some flyers. This time they'll block the season tickets sales and even make some scenes outside San Siro and at the gathering at Milanello."
Warro Bantan
14-06-2008, 19:16
I haven't returned I just wanted to test out my spanking new signature that made me change the one I've had for years (yeah, it's THAT good :D )
So if you havent returned, then who just made the post?:uhm:
:rollani:
Warro Bantan
14-06-2008, 19:20
Warro i read on a different forums about the ultras on the mercato
"It's reported that Galliani met with some fans from CS, many of them from FDL. The fans demanded that the club would hold its promises, like buying a great player before the 21st July.
If nothing happens, the fans warned Galliani that they'll protest, and this time not with some flyers. This time they'll block the season tickets sales and even make some scenes outside San Siro and at the gathering at Milanello." Was wondering how long it was going to take before there was some reaction...
I have no problems with us being frugal (Dru, insert: stingy), and getting our targets...but the public negotiation is a bit tiresome.
It seems to be their preferred method, so I just hope it will produce some good results.
Few years back Moggi and Galliani were signing players noone ever suspected they'll sign.
No news or rumors at all and suddenly they sign Nesta, Buffon, Kaka and Nedved.
Now we know months previously about the players Juve and Milan will sign, we know how are the negotiations going on, we know when did Galliani or Secco took the plane to England/Brasil/Spain and we know why did they go there.
We know the price the other team is asking, we know the exact amount Galliani and Secco are offering.
Of course, the other teams know that too and they steal the players under Milan's/Juve's noses.
What the hell happened ?
So if you havent returned, then who just made the post?:uhm:
:rollani:The entity that has made you post in vain is not the real dru. The real dru is the guy that goes "forza Milan" all the time and pokes fun at Inter. THAT dru hasn't returned. I fear he won't return until we get what he was promised by Galliani THREE SEASONS AGO.
MM is haunted by the ghost of drucurl -with his condemnation our newfound obsession of fossilized players. The interesting thing about finding a fossil is that you only speak highly of it's high points. People talk about "the serious mistake aside.....Zambrotta played well :wallbang: " It's like finding some kind of relic related to Caesar or Alexander the Great....no one will talk of the serious mistakes they made...everyone will talk about how great they are :5ok:
NEW things on the other hand are subject to far more scrutiny than fossils because they are FORCED to prove themselves.....i.e. the STANDARDS are high for new stuff. So if Alves/Adebayor/Quaresma per chance happens to have a bad game people will come down HARD on them....it's like saying "My Atari NEVER froze this much :wth: " after getting bumped off an online game. BUT the thing about getting something new is the feeling of HOPE- Hope that it would be an improvement over what you had last....you know like "I HOPE that this new Wii will at least show the ball rounder than my Intellivision". Our management isn't giving us much to be hopeful about atm. Blast me all you want for being all emotional about it but football is largely about emotion
Ok I'm really off now -to do the ONE thing trinis do best :djn:
Giancarlo
14-06-2008, 22:41
Last year deficit was around -60 m.
This year we must add -30 for not qualifying in CL.
Sadly yes, we have few moneys and if we'll invest some big moneys, it'll be for just 1 player.
And ManU's debt is at 240 million... or perhaps more.
90 million is pocket change for Berlusconi... Berlusconi will invest... I trust him.
Giancarlo
14-06-2008, 22:43
I haven't returned I just wanted to test out my spanking new signature that made me change the one I've had for years (yeah, it's THAT good :D )
In other and completely unrelated news Barcelona signed Alves for nearly 16 Million more than our guy. Of course Alves is overrated and has done nothing of commanding such an inflated transfer fee. Maybe whan he can say that he has provided crucial assists to Paul Scholes, Adrian Mutu and Kuyt- then he might be worth half the tag...and by then we'll have him for the same price we got Zambrotta for.
Our approach to the transfermarket is kinda like an archaeological videogame collector- we're boasting about the Atari and Pong we got in good condition while laughing at our idiot neighbours who bought the unproven junk like the PS3 and the Wii and is inviting all the kids on the block over to play
What's your problem? you're putting a something I said clearly out of context into your signature? What is your damn problem? Nothing more than an insulting jerk you are.
It's not my fault you're misinformed and haven't a clue on how the transfer process works. And it isn't my fault you don't understand that Italian players simply have longer careers than others. It's just the name of the game. It's just the way things work.
You better damn well explain yourself on why you think my quote is amusing or funny.
Zambrotta isn't old nor is he a fossil. Ignorance! There are many fine players in their 30s... Zambrotta is one of them. Yes, he's a bit rusty... but any player has difficult parts in their careers. For a while, Nesta himself was having issues in consistency and made mistakes. They are only human beings. Zambrotta made a mistake in the game, but it had nothing to do with the way he was playing, rather an error of communication. Italy thank goodness responded immediately. Give the man a god damn chance...
He's only a human being like the rest of us.
I also ask one thing... please remove my taken out of context quote from your signature. And not only that the facts speak for themselves. We have signed three young players this season (24-26 years old).
Giancarlo
14-06-2008, 22:48
Was wondering how long it was going to take before there was some reaction...
I have no problems with us being frugal (Dru, insert: stingy), and getting our targets...but the public negotiation is a bit tiresome.
It seems to be their preferred method, so I just hope it will produce some good results.
Don't you realize much of it is a smoke screen?
We may get some good surprises this transfer season... unexpected surprises. Look at what happened the Lloris idea got out... look at what happened...
Surprise can come in both good and bad way.
Dru, may be it's best if you remove your signature since the person from who you quoted has, regardless of the reason, publiced requested you to remove it.
Thanks - J
hitmannq8
14-06-2008, 23:50
Can you girls stop arguing, geeeez you are making it terrible for us to read this forum. You got arguements, settle in it in private messages..I come here to read some news and see what others think of players...lately (since Giancarlo joined the forum to be specific) there has been alot of arguments here and there.. and the prob is, most of it is really pointless!! knock it off boys, and where are the moderators...i shouldnt be the one doing this..
back to topic,
I dont think we will sign Adebayor nor Drogba, I dont think we signed Oliveira and all these meetings with Dinho's agent were for nothing..
and whats up Giovanni! :)
Giancarlo
14-06-2008, 23:52
I'm not wanting to start arguments, or seem to be the cause of them. For that I'm sorry.
Brasileiro
15-06-2008, 00:09
Striker, striker, striker...I´m starting to get worried(and mad) to read only about strikers rumours.
Our defense situation is calamitous!!!!!!!!! Nesta is great, but is injure prone...Maldini give us amazing performances last season, but we don´t know how many games he can give us this year, or if he will shows the same level...Kaladze is a good backup, but was horrible last season...Bonera improved, but I´m not confortable with him in the central defence as I´m at RB...Unless Digão shows a level that I never saw, he needs to be loaned...
I hope like in the past, our board are just making smoke screens, and we will have a few surprise signings at the end of the trasnfer window.
Btw, there´s no way Adebayor is worth 30Mill, and I realy hope we will be "cheap", and don´t pay this amount for him. With this money I would buy L. Fabiano(if his spanish passport will be ready) and Alex and the team will be better. Don´t get me wrong Adebayor fans...I think the lad is a good player, but at this price, no thanks!!!
What we really needs is to spend big in a starter CB(and a good backup), and in another young DM or CM(like Hernanes)...or scoring 2 or 3 goals will not be sufficient to win a game next season...
Can you girls stop arguing, geeeez you are making it terrible for us to read this forum. You got arguements, settle in it in private messages..I come here to read some news and see what others think of players...lately (since Giancarlo joined the forum to be specific) there has been alot of arguments here and there.. and the prob is, most of it is really pointless!! knock it off boys, and where are the moderators...i shouldnt be the one doing this..
See? And you are blaming the moderators for not doing that when we have been trying to do that all along only to be threatened by comments like "ban me if you want?"
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On one hand there are those who say whatever they want in this forum saying that 'it's my opinion' and "if you don't agree, it's your choice". Then of course there are some who are forever cynical and still think that they are the smartest fan in the world.
And of course, when the moderators reminded them to be just a bit in their post and they begin to say 'ban me if you like'.
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On the other hand, we have those who got completely fed up with some specific members. And at the end of the day we lose some really top quality posters.
Can't some of you just learn how to post a more constructive post instead of those bashing and talking trash about the management.
For god's sake, we have been hearing that for three years.
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[QUOTE=Brasileiro;497037]Striker, striker, striker...I´m starting to get worried(and mad) to read only about strikers rumours.
Our defense situation is calamitous!!!!!!!!! Nesta is great, but is injure prone...Maldini give us amazing performances last season, but we don´t know how many games he can give us this year, or if he will shows the same level...Kaladze is a good backup, but was horrible last season...Bonera improved, but I´m not confortable with him in the central defence as I´m at RB...Unless Digão shows a level that I never saw, he needs to be loaned...
I hope like in the past, our board are just making smoke screens, and we will have a few surprise signings at the end of the trasnfer window.
Btw, there´s no way Adebayor is worth 30Mill, and I realy hope we will be "cheap", and don´t pay this amount for him. With this money I would buy L. Fabiano(if his spanish passport will be ready) and Alex and the team will be better. Don´t get me wrong Adebayor fans...I think the lad is a good player, but at this price, no thanks!!!
What we really needs is to spend big in a starter CB(and a good backup), and in another young DM or CM(like Hernanes)...or scoring 2 or 3 goals will not be sufficient to win a game next season...[/QUOTE
Finally someone understands the true value of a player.I have been living in Paris,London and San Francisco for the past 5years for work.I have watched the English game live and the French League live.I have see them all ,Adebayor is good but he is limited.Drogba is better but at this point why would he leave Chelsea with CL again and new manager.Benzema very good,strong,fast and good finisher,but i am not sold on him just yet.He is on the best team in France and has the best services by far.Plus overpriced.
I talk talked about L.Fabiano the other night and he is a perfect fit for Milan.But when you guys have a chance to watch a player next time let it be Jeremy Menez of Monaco.On the right team like Milan he will be a superstar,just don't let him go to ManU.That's who is after him with Inter,Liverpool and us.
His skill level are higher than all the players i just named.
Giancarlo
15-06-2008, 01:08
Striker, striker, striker...I´m starting to get worried(and mad) to read only about strikers rumours.
Our defense situation is calamitous!!!!!!!!! Nesta is great, but is injure prone...Maldini give us amazing performances last season, but we don´t know how many games he can give us this year, or if he will shows the same level...Kaladze is a good backup, but was horrible last season...Bonera improved, but I´m not confortable with him in the central defence as I´m at RB...Unless Digão shows a level that I never saw, he needs to be loaned...
I hope like in the past, our board are just making smoke screens, and we will have a few surprise signings at the end of the trasnfer window.
Btw, there´s no way Adebayor is worth 30Mill, and I realy hope we will be "cheap", and don´t pay this amount for him. With this money I would buy L. Fabiano(if his spanish passport will be ready) and Alex and the team will be better. Don´t get me wrong Adebayor fans...I think the lad is a good player, but at this price, no thanks!!!
What we really needs is to spend big in a starter CB(and a good backup), and in another young DM or CM(like Hernanes)...or scoring 2 or 3 goals will not be sufficient to win a game next season...
We're totally reinforcing the defense. I'm just worry about the forwards... we need one soon... Borriello is a good supplemental forward... he might play well along another (like the Di Natale-Quagliarella partnership)...
Our defense is getting reinforced. Nesta's problem during the season is he suffered suspensions a bit more than others... I thought Kaladze was pretty good... but needs to stop making minor mistakes that can turn into major problems..
We are getting reinforced though... Zambrotta and Antonini (left back)... though I'd still recommend another defender... Digao never really played. He played one game I think and he was good from what I heard...
I don't mind Adebayor... I'd want Milan to pay maximum 20 million euros for him... he's not worth 30 million.
Brasileiro
15-06-2008, 01:16
[QUOTE=Brasileiro;497037]Striker, striker, striker...I´m starting to get worried(and mad) to read only about strikers rumours.
Our defense situation is calamitous!!!!!!!!! Nesta is great, but is injure prone...Maldini give us amazing performances last season, but we don´t know how many games he can give us this year, or if he will shows the same level...Kaladze is a good backup, but was horrible last season...Bonera improved, but I´m not confortable with him in the central defence as I´m at RB...Unless Digão shows a level that I never saw, he needs to be loaned...
I hope like in the past, our board are just making smoke screens, and we will have a few surprise signings at the end of the trasnfer window.
Btw, there´s no way Adebayor is worth 30Mill, and I realy hope we will be "cheap", and don´t pay this amount for him. With this money I would buy L. Fabiano(if his spanish passport will be ready) and Alex and the team will be better. Don´t get me wrong Adebayor fans...I think the lad is a good player, but at this price, no thanks!!!
What we really needs is to spend big in a starter CB(and a good backup), and in another young DM or CM(like Hernanes)...or scoring 2 or 3 goals will not be sufficient to win a game next season...[/QUOTE
Finally someone understands the true value of a player.I have been living in Paris,London and San Francisco for the past 5years for work.I have watched the English game live and the French League live.I have see them all ,Adebayor is good but he is limited.Drogba is better but at this point why would he leave Chelsea with CL again and new manager.Benzema very good,strong,fast and good finisher,but i am not sold on him just yet.He is on the best team in France and has the best services by far.Plus overpriced.
I talk talked about L.Fabiano the other night and he is a perfect fit for Milan.But when you guys have a chance to watch a player next time let it be Jeremy Menez of Monaco.On the right team like Milan he will be a superstar,just don't let him go to ManU.That's who is after him with Inter,Liverpool and us.
His skill level are higher than all the players i just named.
Thanks Roche13, I like you think L. Fabiano is a perfect fit for our team. Strong, skilled goal scorer.
Can you tell me more about this Jery Menez guy??
Either of Akinfeev or Isaksson in goal, or signing both would be good, but as previously mentioned Adebayor at 40 mill euro is too expensive for a player who hasn't done that much. I think an offer of that much would get Benezma. I like the Russian forward Pavlyuchenko, a taller version of es imo, and if we got Boruc or Isaksson in goal I 'd be happy with him as forward. As mentioned our squad is still too thin, with too many average injured players, and the club still haven't bought the promised star after 3 years. Splash the cash or just shut up the moaning about taxes and lies about we tried.
Their offers are like me making a 20 euro offer to buy a car. It's always unrealistic.
http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/MarioBalotellitoAcMIlan
Petitons for Balotelli!:5inter: for join Ac Milan :)
Please Petition Signatures!
Balotelli is a mental player - believe me though he will be a waste under Mourinho because Jose doesn't know how to nurture youngsters e.g Obi Mikel.
With Pato and Super Mario Milan would have the best youngsters in the country, if not the world.
kakacmilan best
15-06-2008, 03:43
Balotelli is our fan!!!
He said he loves Milan!
Giancarlo
15-06-2008, 03:57
Inter treats its players horrendously... it won't surprise me to see Balotelli leave... where... is beyond me...
Gio-mania
15-06-2008, 03:58
Balotelli's mentality doesn't fit Milan. A couple of years back I would've been confident Milan could've fixed him. Now, I am less confident.
I'd still say he is worth the risk, so i'm all for it.... as long as it isnt over € 20M .
kakacmilan best
15-06-2008, 04:37
Jest one thing:
What make you think that Inter will sell Balotelli to Milan especially after what we made from Pirlo and Seedorf after they came from Inter?
t.gianni
15-06-2008, 05:38
Jest one thing:
What make you think that Inter will sell Balotelli to Milan especially after what we made from Pirlo and Seedorf after they came from Inter?
True! Why will Morratti sell him to us. He would rather sell him to an english club. Also, if he gets the salary he demands, he will stay at inter.
Gio-mania
15-06-2008, 05:53
yes, you're right actually.... the last club inter will sell to is milan.
however, i wonder how the rules work for primavera players.. :confused:
has is contract expired or does he just want a renewal to the 1st team?
Gabriel489
15-06-2008, 05:57
Morratti will only sell players he thinks are washed up to Milan.
Okay, so anther 10 pages of discussions about nothing again. Maybe the mod should create another thread-Transfer OPINION to sep from this one(Transfer RUMORS)
I think I wrote it a few days ago that we really should not believe in everything the papers are saying b/c 99% of them are crap.
I agree with what Tony is saying, Juve and us used to sign players without anyone knowing it, what the heck happened? I still believe that the MGT are making changes and new players as well as some of the existing players will change teams.
Just wondering, if Milan do manage to sign Veluso and Hernadez and Ongelaar(HUGE DUTCH CM), do you think Milan will sell Gattuso to Bayern for 15-18Mil?
Gio-mania
15-06-2008, 06:03
has is contract expired or does he just want a renewal to the 1st team?
found the answer to my question:
Balotelli has a 3 year contract as a youth-player that expires on Aug 31, 2009.
Gio-mania
15-06-2008, 06:38
I agree with what Tony is saying, Juve and us used to sign players without anyone knowing it, what the heck happened?
Yes indeed, agree with the two of you. Moggi is, however, a criminal...
Just wondering, if Milan do manage to sign Veluso and Hernadez and Ongelaar(HUGE DUTCH CM), do you think Milan will sell Gattuso to Bayern for 15-18Mil?
If we manage to sign all 3, then it might just happen - but still wouldnt be too sure about it.
We most likely wont manage, or even try, to sign all three any way. Veloso is linked to us, and Braida said (according to several links @ fcitalia.com) that we are interested in him. He said it wont happen now.... but anything can happen.
dont know what position he plays in. We have cooled down on the Hernandez (or if you are talking about Xavi Hernandez then there never have been rumors) track.. i'd much rather get rid of Brocchi and the Emerson(he promised he reach his previous levels next season, however) before we get rid of Ringhio.
Engelaar is 28 and we will not sign that old defensive midfielder! WE DONT NEED ANY NEW DM's for the love of god!!!
Question for anyone who has actually seen Veloso more then once - how good is he? an he play LB?
Guardiola categorico: Ronaldinho via entro il 14 luglio
Pep Guardiola, has spoken clearly:Ronaldinho in sale at all costs within the 14 July, day that will be reunion of barca squad, R10 should not be a problem for barca
rinogattuso
15-06-2008, 07:54
Source is all medias across world!!
This is good news,I have still hope that we get Ronaldinho to Milan,Berlusconi is not too much optimistic bud that is Silvio he is politicant and they job is selling rubbish to people.
sheva-gila
15-06-2008, 08:02
I doubt that Berlusconi will take him anymore, I think Scolari will make him change mind to join chalski with him
Warro Bantan
15-06-2008, 08:22
Rumors (goal.com) :D, state that Chelski has offered a cash only, or a cash plus player deal for Deco and R10, with Drogba a possible make weight going in the other direction.
Gabriel489
15-06-2008, 08:38
I think R10 will play for Milan at the end, just have that feeling
Source is all medias across world!!
This is good news,I have still hope that we get Ronaldinho to Milan,Berlusconi is not too much optimistic bud that is Silvio he is politicant and they job is selling bul**** to people.
Would you mind one (just one) of those all medias across world give? :)
i think holland plays better without seedorf, and so would Milan, personally i would be definitely willing to sell him, i think his time is up, and there are lot of other player younger, better, faster, and cheaper at his postion.
eg.) Daniel Carvalho of cska moscow.
a line of
-------------Striker-------------
Carvalho------KAKA--------PATO
--------Pirlo--------Flamini------
i think holland plays better without seedorf, and so would Milan, personally i would be definitely willing to sell him, i think his time is up, and there are lot of other player younger, better, faster, and cheaper at his postion.
IMO, seedorf is still needed, not for the 1st squad, just like Rui Costa a couple years ago after Kaka's arrival. But then again, will he or will he not accept that kinda role, is another matter.
Van Der Vaart looks really good, fast, moders and capable of playing at that position. And Seedorf is a player that can play world class football still, but in smaler number of matches per season. Having Pirlo, Ambrosini, Gattuso, flamini, Seedorf, KAka' and one more fast midfielder would be wonderfull. But one more is needed for sure. And rotation is needed, not like in past years.
The "problem" is that our players: Marek, Pirlo, AMbro, Rino have all shown in EURO that they are not fast enough, they are all overplayed.
First, remote2 book says:
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=736642 are we that cheap??-meaning if we want a WC striker why are we being cheap and publicly blasting the price. The all-wise, all knowing Giancarlo proceeds to reply: ARe you the quick to believe goal.com?
We spent a lot of money on one player already (Zambrotta)... what makes you think we won't spend a lot on others?
How about we buy Roman Pavluchenko and Alexander Anyukov? These two players have been putting up strong performances... the Russian market may be cheaper... and what great talents they are... Since we only spent 7 Million on Zambrotta I found this hillarious....I mean to think that a club supposedly as big as Milan would fret over spending 7Mill on a player in a position that had been extremely poor is ........well I'm speechless :eek:
Of course embarrassed by the utter stupidity of your post which I might have highlighted somehwat ;) you proceed to say: What's your problem? you're putting a something I said clearly out of context into your signature? What is your damn problem? Nothing more than an insulting jerk you are.
It's not my fault you're misinformed and haven't a clue on how the transfer process works. And it isn't my fault you don't understand that Italian players simply have longer careers than others. It's just the name of the game. It's just the way things work.
You better damn well explain yourself on why you think my quote is amusing or funny.
Zambrotta isn't old nor is he a fossil. Ignorance! There are many fine players in their 30s... Zambrotta is one of them. Yes, he's a bit rusty... but any player has difficult parts in their careers. For a while, Nesta himself was having issues in consistency and made mistakes. They are only human beings. Zambrotta made a mistake in the game, but it had nothing to do with the way he was playing, rather an error of communication. Italy thank goodness responded immediately. Give the man a god damn chance...
He's only a human being like the rest of us.
I also ask one thing... please remove my taken out of context quote from your signature. And not only that the facts speak for themselves. We have signed three young players this season (24-26 years old). Naturally I wouldn't expect the same people who scrutinise my every word to have similar standards for everyone else. Dru disagrees with the big boys therefore dru should be insulted and humiliated at will :respect: Of course, having just been insulted publicly (by someone I never insulted personally)...here comes the ever so just and balanced Jeff, to correct the evil dru (while cleverly (?) not naming him) and lay down the law :proud: :
See? And you are blaming the moderators for not doing that when we have been trying to do that all along only to be threatened by comments like "ban me if you want?"
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On one hand there are those who say whatever they want in this forum saying that 'it's my opinion' and "if you don't agree, it's your choice". Then of course there are some who are forever cynical and still think that they are the smartest fan in the world.
And of course, when the moderators reminded them to be just a bit in their post and they begin to say 'ban me if you like'.
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On the other hand, we have those who got completely fed up with some specific members. And at the end of the day we lose some really top quality posters.
Can't some of you just learn how to post a more constructive post instead of those bashing and talking trash about the management.
For god's sake, we have been hearing that for three years.
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When you make an argument, back up with points, not cynicism. Irony is welcome, but pointless, baseless, and redundent and seemingly joking argument is going to be strictly prohibited. I realize that I am immature and stupid, but when I grow up I want to be just like you :love:
P.S. When I say "ban me if you want" is not a threat. I merely say it because it seems that you develop an allergic reaction to a differnce of opinion..especially if it's a strong one. I realize that the lot of you can't stand me because of my criticism of certain developments in Milanello. If I am so obnoxious to you you have the power to get rid of me and I suggest you use it. That way everyone will be happy, and I'll get it through my thick skull that a forum is not a place to discuss ideas and opinions.
P.S. When I say "ban me if you want" is not a threat. I merely say it because it seems that you develop an allergic reaction to a differnce of opinion..especially if it's a strong one. I realize that the lot of you can't stand me because of my criticism of certain developments in Milanello. If I am so obnoxious to you you have the power to get rid of me and I suggest you use it. That way everyone will be happy, and I'll get it through my thick skull that a forum is not a place to discuss ideas and opinion.
I think people who have develop a different opinion from me has more than enough to say about the part I bolded.
Underlined: It is not, trust me, it is not. We all know that and we all can't stand the criticism. But it doesn't help, NEVER help, to be cynical about this and that repeatedly; it not only does not show how ridiculous our management has been and is but also implies you as a very irritating person.
It's really just a matter of presentation, not a matter of different opinion. And I hope you will understand.
The Italic part is where it shows the fallacy of your logic. On one hand you say that we can't stand different opinion, especially the strong one. And you say we have the power to ban you for that.
Didn't you see that we have never intended to ban a member because of difference in opinion?
Hasn't this been obvious already for the past N years while you are around?
The last bolded part: Your posts don't seem to be discussing opinions and rumors anymore but becomes a routine bashing of some of our existing players and incoming players, and incoming new members too.
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At the end of the day, I hope that you, as an experienced poster now in MM and probably in other forums, will set a good example for the rest of the new, incoming members.
Cheers - J
I think people who have develop a different opinion from me has more than enough to say about the part I bolded.
Underlined: It is not, trust me, it is not. We all know that and we all can't stand the criticism. But it doesn't help, NEVER help, to be cynical about this and that repeatedly; it not only does not show how ridiculous our management has been and is but also implies you as a very irritating person.
It's really just a matter of presentation, not a matter of different opinion. And I hope you will understand.
The Italic part is where it shows the fallacy of your logic. On one hand you say that we can't stand different opinion, especially the strong one. And you say we have the power to ban you for that.
Didn't you see that we have never intended to ban a member because of difference in opinion?
Hasn't this been obvious already for the past N years while you are around?
The last bolded part: Your posts don't seem to be discussing opinions and rumors anymore but becomes a routine bashing of some of our existing players and incoming players, and incoming new members too.
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At the end of the day, I hope that you, as an experienced poster now in MM and probably in other forums, will set a good example for the rest of the new, incoming members.
Cheers - JI appreciate your response and you are right about much of what you said. Again I apologise for the o/t.
I still stand by what I said though because Gialcarlo comes here as a newer member and starts telling other posters how foolish their ideas are and how ignorant they are. When you expose the flaws in his reasoning he takes it personally and acts the victim. You have let him do this for numerous pages freely. At least two other posters (tony29, remote2book) have expressed delight at my new sig..........why? It's because it exposes his reasonings as being woefully blind. However I will be more positive from now on. THAT I assure you.
Im all with you Drucurl, I've said before. For some people our managers and coaches are gods and they have created a religion, and in religion people dont think, they believe. When I bash Carlo they just say he knows best, even dough I clearly explain why I said some things, its just an example...
forza Dru.
Im all with you Drucurl, I've said before. For some people our managers and coaches are gods and they have created a religion, and in religion people dont think, they believe. When I bash Carlo they just say he knows best, even dough I clearly explain why I said some things, its just an example...
forza Dru.Yeah but maybe Jeff is right....I think EVERYONE knows that I am upset that we seem not to care about getting PROPER reinforcements and everyone knows you think Carlo is tactically inadequate.....but perhaps Jeff does have a point that it's not the fact that we say it but the presentation. :)
Maybe you are like me. Maybe you think you're seeing something that Milan desperately needs and it's frustrating you that we seem to make no attempt to get it or correct it.....One thing is for sure and that's giancarlo needs to take it down as well. In the end the REAL fans always get persecuted because our time, money emotions etc are ALWAYS at stake. It's not nice when our interfan friends spend all season laughing at us and now at our transfers. What are we to say? "Watch out Inter because with Antonini, Borriello and Zambrotta you'll have no chance!" ? :stupid:
Forza mrki
I still stand by what I said though because Gialcarlo comes here as a newer member and starts telling other posters how foolish their ideas are and how ignorant they are. When you expose the flaws in his reasoning he takes it personally and acts the victim. You have let him do this for numerous pages freely. At least two other posters (tony29, remote2book) have expressed delight at my new sig..........why? It's because it exposes his reasonings as being woefully blind. However I will be more positive from now on. THAT I assure you.
Thanks, it's not about being 'negative'; it's about being understanding about the situation. Bashing for once or twice (like we all did about Dida or Oddo's dismal crossing) is understandable. But doing it consistently won't do good whatsoever. It's like I get a 0 marks for my exam and my friends pick me up for that mistake for the rest of my life.
Re: new members: They are new, and we know that some of his reasonsings are false as well. The key is how you teach/show him why the reasoning is problematic. Ridiculing another person's point of view usually don't help, though I can understand how frustrating sometimes these posts are.
Perhaps it'll be better if we show them concretely why their reasoning is false instead of using irony. Maybe we will all be better off...
Cheers - J
Im all with you Drucurl, I've said before. For some people our managers and coaches are gods and they have created a religion, and in religion people dont think, they believe. When I bash Carlo they just say he knows best, even dough I clearly explain why I said some things, its just an example...
forza Dru.
It's ok to bash Carlo; we all know his limitations; we all know that sub. Brocchi for Ambro at 80mins when Milan is losing 2-0 doesn't make sense.
Then I started to ask myself why he did that. And why not? Who can he put in? another striker and hopefully something good will happen? There is no more game plan, because you don't have the players to execute. Buying Flamini is a good one because it gives us option in midfield.
It's understandable why people are frustrated about the coach, for instance, but it's not understandable why people keep getting frustrated about the coach when obviously other factors are well in motion that we have often overlooked.
We are all being critical; we all know there is a problem. Not saying that "we have a probem" every day doesn't mean that we forget about the problem, because by saying the problems repeatedly, we develop a kind of mentality that REALLY there is a BIG problem that CANNOT be solved.
Now that's the kind of mentality we all don't want to develop. That we can leave it to th Interista.
Bottom line: We all know the problems; we all understand the problems. But saying that there is a problem without really thinking deeper about how to solve the problem won't help to solve. That's a key take-home for all of us who are reading the post to take.
(Just to give you another example: we all know that Italy is in deep trouble; yes the offside, the disallowed goals; all these added up, but Italy is still in trouble. I think we all agree on that, and we don't have to exaggerate it by repeatedly saying it because, at the end of the day, it's not over because if Italy beats France and Romania draws / loses, Italy is still through.
WHy lose hope and keep focusing on the negative when the game is not even over?)
- J
Perhaps it'll be better if we show them concretely why their reasoning is false instead of using irony. Maybe we will all be better off...
Cheers - JI can't help it Jeff my mum was an English teacher and my dad couldn't say "good morning" without being sarcastic :D
Anyway the goal.com article about Adebayor is poorly translated. Berlu actually said that Adebayor is "very" expensive and not "too" expensive
EDIT: our frustrations come not from knowing we have problems...they come from seeing the SOLUTIONS to these problems float by without us even batting an eye.
If Carlo wanted Ribery he shouldn't mind Quaresma who are essentially the same player with Quaresma being more talented imho but Ribery being more functional
Yeah but maybe Jeff is right....I think EVERYONE knows that I am upset that we seem not to care about getting PROPER reinforcements and everyone knows you think Carlo is tactically inadequate.....but perhaps Jeff does have a point that it's not the fact that we say it but the presentation. :)
Maybe you are like me. Maybe you think you're seeing something that Milan desperately needs and it's frustrating you that we seem to make no attempt to get it or correct it.....One thing is for sure and that's giancarlo needs to take it down as well. In the end the REAL fans always get persecuted because our time, money emotions etc are ALWAYS at stake. It's not nice when our interfan friends spend all season laughing at us and now at our transfers. What are we to say? "Watch out Inter because with Antonini, Borriello and Zambrotta you'll have no chance!" ? :stupid:
Forza mrki
How about you take down your signature as a good starting point? :)
In the end the REAL fans always get persecuted because our time, money emotions etc are ALWAYS at stake. It's not nice when our interfan friends spend all season laughing at us and now at our transfers. What are we to say? "Watch out Inter because with Antonini, Borriello and Zambrotta you'll have no chance!" ? :stupid:
Bolded: Yes, exactly. That's why we all treasure each other despite all this seemingly non-sensical but happen-in-everyday-life argument.
Italic: They haven't done it for the past 50 years. So why worry? The tide will only turn to the team that truly prevails.
Cheers - J
Giancarlo
15-06-2008, 12:14
First, remote2 book says:
-meaning if we want a WC striker why are we being cheap and publicly blasting the price. The all-wise, all knowing Giancarlo proceeds to reply: Since we only spent 7 Million on Zambrotta I found this hillarious....I mean to think that a club supposedly as big as Milan would fret over spending 7Mill on a player in a position that had been extremely poor is ........well I'm speechless :eek:
We spent nine million on Zambrotta, plus additional depending on our position. For a defender that's a bit more than usual. And of course he doesn't cost the same amount as a forward. There is no sheer stupidity in my post. I stand by it. He has played better with Italians and that's a proven fact. So what if he had a bad time at Barcelona... which players don't? I mean take a look at how Carlos Puyol is doing recently...
Either, you remove the quote or I'm gone.
I apologized for my actions.
hitmannq8
15-06-2008, 12:17
dru and mrki, I agree with what you guys say and I always have, I am not in favour of the way the management is working these days and I have said it before, but what good is it to nag about it twice a day, everyday?
mrki we all know there is a problem in the team but everytime a good player is gone you complain about the lack of action of our management..and then you give us your trademark daily posts of writing in the milan 2008 squad in your opinion with the new players in BOLD..
cmon boys, when you keep doing that over and over again, what difference is it going to make?
PS: I had nothing to do with that Balotelli petition thing!! We have to get that kid, no matter what. I say Berlu should hire someone, sneak in to the Inter offices, tear up Balotelli's contract and then we can sign him for free :D
Giancarlo
15-06-2008, 12:18
I stand by what I say. I believe in what I say. If you have a problem with that, that's fine. We can talk about it like adults. I don't want to seem like I'm insulting anyone here. I like to be optimistic about certain things...
I didn't come here to fight. With forums like these that is too often the case.
I'm not blind. I know there was a problem this previous season with the team and that changes are needed. The way I want it done is quite different than many on here though. And I believe in our transfers too... some nice young players are coming in. But that's beyond the point, I am a real fan... I'm not a fake one. And I think Inter can be laughed at for their insignificant contributions to the Azzurri... Materazzi lol?
I reiterate, either the signature goes, or I GO.
We spent nine million on Zambrotta, plus additional depending on our position. For a defender that's a bit more than usual. And of course he doesn't cost the same amount as a forward. There is no sheer stupidity in my post. I stand by it. He has played better with Italians and that's a proven fact. So what if he had a bad time at Barcelona... which players don't? I mean take a look at how Carlos Puyol is doing recently...
I simply think that his price is a fair one. Not too ex not too cheap. And yes he has been playing much better relatively with the Italians (except the Euro 2008 for his horrid against Romania but otherwise a decent match for him).
The key here is whether Milan can bring the best out of him like Milan did with Pirlo and Seedorf and Kaka. You can actually count R99 too only until that guy go and screw himself up.
Another issue is injury. We have seen Janku and Oddo being hampered by injury around Zambro's age and I'm worried that the same may happen.
In either case, this is a fair purchase. I'll give a 6 or 7 out of 10 for the purchase.
Probably this sums up what everyone is saying (I hope?) - J
PS: I had nothing to do with that Balotelli petition thing!! We have to get that kid, no matter what. I say Berlu should hire someone, sneak in to the Inter offices, tear up Balotelli's contract and then we can sign him for free :D
Worried that he really said something nasty to Inter. We all seem to agree with the fact that Milan never buy playrs who have personality issue (except R99 but R99 is a tricky one. He was not supposed to be like that until he got injured. Oh well...)
Another live example will be Cassano.
But who knows? Maybe the media has just fabricated the whole thing about Balotelli.
And wait, is he really on sale? J
We spent nine million on Zambrotta, plus additional depending on our position. For a defender that's a bit more than usual. And of course he doesn't cost the same amount as a forward. There is no sheer stupidity in my post. I stand by it. He has played better with Italians and that's a proven fact. So what if he had a bad time at Barcelona... which players don't? I mean take a look at how Carlos Puyol is doing recently...
Either, you remove the quote or I'm gone.
I apologized for my actions.I will remove it in good faith but don't think you're comming here to order me around. and YES your post IS WRONG......7Million isn't that much for a defender who is supposed to be of the calibre that we need. Go research the prices of Cannavaro, Nesta, Lahm, Ferdinand, Sol Campbell and worst of all Daniel Alves. You talk about how everybody else doesn't know about how transfers work, it's time you learn too. The days where defenders were bought and sold cheaply are long gone......I am removing my sig and I hope we can start over as friends becaus I desire to be friends with all milanistas :v103:
Giancarlo
15-06-2008, 12:25
I will remove it in good faith but don't think you're comming here to order me around. and YES your post IS WRONG......7Million isn't that much for a defender who is supposed to be of the calibre that we need. Go research the prices of Cannavaro, Nesta, Lahm, Ferdinand, Sol Campbell and worst of all Daniel Alves. You talk about how everybody else doesn't know about how transfers work, it's time you learn too. The days where defenders were bought and sold cheaply are long gone......I am removing my sig and I hope we can start over as friends becaus I desire to be friends with all milanistas :v103:
Again, we spent nine million, not seven million. That's by no means cheap (it's not horrendously expensive like Alves but you see my point). And his wages are higher than average. My post is not wrong and I stand by everything I say. I know very well how transfers work. Nice try.
I'm not going to sit here and argue with you all day.
Anyways, I'd much rather not talk to you in the future.
dru, you are a legend :D
btw i didn't see if any site reported it, but the comentator on Bosnian tv said that Evra signed a new four year contract with ManU.
I'm saying that because there were reports linking him signing with us next year when he was supposed to be a free agent.
Warro Bantan
15-06-2008, 12:39
Dru, I did admonish Giancarlo for some previous insults, so I think u r a bit off in your post...regardless....I am happy both of u saw the light, and realised that the situation was getting a bit out of hand.
Let's keep it civil guys...its only silly season.
Again, we spent nine million, not seven million. That's by no means cheap (it's not horrendously expensive like Alves but you see my point). And his wages are higher than average. My post is not wrong and I stand by everything I say. I know very well how transfers work. Nice try.
I'm not going to sit here and argue with you all day.
Anyways, I'd much rather not talk to you in the future.
For a club like Milan it's cheap.
But it is expensive for a player like Zambrotta. N/O to the guy, but we overpayed. That's nine milion euros + 1.6mil £ if we finish 4th next year, am I right? Thats about 11-12 milion for another washed up player. Now I'm not saying he'll be no good but we should have offered 6 milion max.
Barca bought him for 14mil if I'm correct, so they'll only lose 2million.
At least one club made a good deal...
It so frustrating, we always search for a bargain but in the end we always overpay. (Ronaldo (+wages) , Emerson (+wages) , Oliveira, Gilardino (+++wages) )
With what we lost on Ronaldo alone we could have bought a new player.
Damn inefficient management. :5milan:
Btw, there was someone here with a list of sources in his sig?
There are 2 mistakes : it should be tgcom.it and the Corierre.
Greetz
Source credibility:
Perfect: acmilan; MM
OK: tg.com; La Gazzetta; Corriello; Tuttosport
Bad: Channel4; Eurosport; soccernet; goal.com; calciomercato; tuttomercatoweb; tribalfootball
I hope you won't mind giving my opinion on this and disagreeing with certain parts of your signature, Jeff.
1. Acmilan.com is the best source for official news. Sometimes there you can find articles where Galliani and other members of the team talk about the future transfers and this is the most reliable source. They don't take words out of context and they don't make some spectacular titles in order to sell newspapers.
There was this episode with Suazo, but that was only an exception.
2. Milanmania
-yeah, well, if you have "OFFICIAL" in topics tittle then i guess it's reliable and taken from the official site.
3.Tuttosport
- Absolutely awful source. Tuttosport is a Turin based newspaper and they are disgustingly pro-Juve (even for the Juve fans they are pure joke). All they do is linking Juventus to every single player, from Ronaldinho to some 10 years old junior from New Zeland.
Just like another newspaper i'll talk about later, Tuttosport writes (invents) only stories that their readers (99% of them Juve fans) would like to hear.
4. tgcom
- this is actually part of mediaset, owned by Berlusconi. They are pro-Milan and you can find a lot of news about Milan, but many times these stories are again what Milan fans want to hear and most of the times they have nothing to do with reality.
5. Gazzetta Dello Sport
- My favorite and yet my most despised newspaper.
They are my favorites because they always offer a great read, but i dislike them because they do things Tuttosport is doing, with the difference being that they are pro-Milan and kinda anti-Juve.
Whenever Juve are after some player Gazzetta immediately starts writing how Juve won't get that player and how Milan/Inter/foreign team will steal that player from Juve. They are always the first ones to claim how Buffon, Trezeguet, Camoranesi are just about to leave Juve (they've been doing that for many years now).
On the other hand, they are also the first ones who know how Buffon, Ronaldinho, Drogba etc are just about to sign for Milan.
If we trust Gazzetta Ronaldinho signed for Milan 10 times already, Buffon signed 5 times and Shevchenko never left Milan.
Of all the stories that came from Gazzetta , not more than 1% became a reality.
5. Corriello
- I guess you mean Corriere ? Corriere dello sport ?
Awful source, simply awful.
They never quote club officials and they simply invent their stories.
Actually, to be honest, they don't invent stories but they are a newspaper of the "theories".
They don't write "Ronaldinho will sign for Milan". Instead they work on a story and they try to find a logical reason why would Ronaldinho go to Milan.
Kinda like "Ronaldinho didn't extend his contract with Barcelona, he's not playing there and there is a big possibility that he's going to leave. Milan are interested, they have many Brasilians so maybe Milan will be his next club".
They do that with every single player :)
6. Channel4 and Calciomercato
- This aren't bad sources. They simply sumarize the news of the day. If Gazzetta, Tuttosport, Corriere, the Sun, Marca, AS write something about transfers, Channel4 and Calciomercato put these stories on their sites , always mentioning where did they take the article from.
I like both these sites because you can read where does the article come from and you can see if it's a serious source they took it from or it's not a serious source.
7. Goal.com
- They do pretty much the same thing as Channel4 and Calciomercato but they take most of their stories from some unreliable sites and that's why goal.com is a joke.
8. Tribalfootball-The worst of the bunch. They just invent stories.
I don't know about the other sites because i don't visit them at all.
Again, we spent nine million, not seven million. That's by no means cheap (it's not horrendously expensive like Alves but you see my point). And his wages are higher than average. My post is not wrong and I stand by everything I say. I know very well how transfers work. Nice try.
I'm not going to sit here and argue with you all day.
Anyways, I'd much rather not talk to you in the future.So after all this you adopt the arrogant stance after I extend the olive branch?
Cost of top rated defenders (unless you think we shouldn't go after the top)
Zambrotta was signed for 7Million POUNDS Click here (http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/jun13i.html)
Ferdinand 33m
Alves 23m
Thuram 22m
Nesta 19m
Staam 17m
Samuel 17m
Cannavaro 13.7m
^ The above list tells me that great defenders co$t
Campbell was free (my bad :D )
@ Warro thanks for the correction. Of course I wouldn't know what happend behind the scenes unless someone is called out publicly like what happens to me. Nevertheless respect meh brethren :respect:
You forgot someone, Dru :
Real bought Pepe for 30m eur ;)
Giancarlo
15-06-2008, 13:29
So after all this you adopt the arrogant stance after I extend the olive branch?
Cost of top rated defenders (unless you think we shouldn't go after the top)
Zambrotta was signed for 7Million POUNDS Click here (http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/jun13i.html)
Ferdinand 33m
Alves 23m
Thuram 22m
Nesta 19m
Staam 17m
Samuel 17m
Cannavaro 13.7m
^ The above list tells me that great defenders co$t
Campbell was free (my bad :D )
@ Warro thanks for the correction. Of course I wouldn't know what happend behind the scenes unless someone is called out publicly like what happens to me. Nevertheless respect meh brethren :respect:
Thuram is one of the worst defenders I've seen as of late. To call him great... did you see how absent minded he was in the game against Holland? Sure he was ONCE great. But he's 36 years old if I'm right...
Either way, I see nothing arrogant about not wanting to talk to you anymore.
And like it or not, Zambrotta isn't washed up, thrust.
Thuram is one of the worst defenders I've seen as of late. To call him great... did you see how absent minded he was in the game against Holland? Sure he was ONCE great. But he's 36 years old if I'm right...
Either way, I see nothing arrogant about not wanting to talk to you anymore.
When did you start watching football ?
I'm asking seriously.
Thuram was a hell of a defender, among the best 3 in the world in the period from 1998-2006.
When Juve bought him he was a great defender, he wasn't a useless and slow old man like he's today and those ~20m euro were a great piece of bussines done by Moggi because Thuram deserved every single penny payed for him.
So why not calling Thuram a GREAT ?
Giancarlo
15-06-2008, 13:34
When did you start watching football ?
I'm asking seriously.
Thuram was a hell of a defender, among the best 3 in the world in the period from 1998-2006.
When Juve bought him he was agreat defender, he wasn't a useless, slow old man like he's today and those ~20m euro were a great piece of bussines done by Moggi because Thuram deserved every single penny payed for him.
Now for more insults.
I started watching when I was quite young, and I do remember the 1994 world cup quite well.
Was. He was. I even said he was once great. Read my entire post instead making assumptions.
But he's far from that now. His defending in this Euro Cup has been nothing less than horrendous.
When did you start watching football ?
I'm asking seriously.
Thuram was a hell of a defender, among the best 3 in the world in the period from 1998-2006.
When Juve bought him he was a great defender, he wasn't a useless and slow old man like he's today and those ~20m euro were a great piece of bussines done by Moggi because Thuram deserved every single penny payed for him.
So why not calling Thuram a GREAT ?awwww Tony you HAD to spoil it huh :wallbang: He didn't know the transfer fee was what Juve paid for him...I was going to have soooo much fun and now you killed it :D Apparently Moggi is used to buying overrated fossils too but it IS funny the way he skipped past everyone and singled out the ex-zebra apparently I made a list of one :haha:
Giancarlo
15-06-2008, 13:39
I've just about had enough of this. If you can't stop insulting me, I'm done here.
Now for more insults.
I started watching when I was quite young, and I do remember the 1994 world cup quite well.
Was. He was. I even said he was once great. Read my entire post instead making assumptions.
But he's far from that now. His defending in this Euro Cup has been nothing less than horrendous.
Who insulted you ? :dconf:
I was seriously asking you. I thought you are very young and being young is everything but an insult. I'd give both my hands to be 16 or 17 again.
Giancarlo
15-06-2008, 13:48
Who insulted you ? :dconf:
I was seriously asking you. I thought you are very young and being young is everything but an insult. I'd give both my hands to be 16 or 17 again.
I'm 22... I know my fair share.
Tony I revised.
And guys please stay cool.
Tony I revised.
And guys please stay cool.
Hmmm, i won't call tgcom and gazzetta awful. They're ok but they link far too many players with Milan and most of the times Milan don't end up signing these players.
Revised again. Thanks for making this happen!
Giancarlo
15-06-2008, 13:53
Okay beyond all this...
Miguel Veloso is playing today for Portugal... in just what is probably going to be a show match. He however must show his abilities because I bet Milan may be looking at him... if I recall, I think this is the first time he's been played for a Euro game...
I've just about had enough of this. If you can't stop insulting me, I'm done here.bye bye giancarlo :kap::wave:
catennacio
15-06-2008, 15:52
I'm pleased that I made the right decision to stop my debates before.
Dru: I'm all with you :)
Tony29: Yes you're right, everything that does not please him is considered an insult :)
To someone: I'm not insulting anyone here, I'm just raising my opinion legally :)
Alright, please, no more pointing finger etc. Let's strictly stick to what we are discussing.
catennacio
15-06-2008, 16:19
I only watched part of the match b/t Portugal and Switzerland while Veloso was on, so I can't conclude if he's good. But I heard MU is going to buy Veleso and Moutinho in a package, so I assume he's good. Also, he can play LB.. so I think we should definitely go after him and also the new Rui Costa
@ Jeff :more insults I see :D
Back o/t I think that we should monitor Turkey's young striker (Turan??) the only problem is he's a bit small but that kind of finishing was breathtaking
It's a very nice finishing. That leaves Pete Cech no chance.
ginoformaggino
15-06-2008, 16:37
bye bye giancarlo :kap::wave:
hi dru
I'm beside you, no problem, I'm used to live with ...
u're a right person that is tryng and reading about this AC Milan reality
sorry, as an italian for ... the unmentionable eeeeeeeeeeee....
hey, ...I remeber Warro when he wrote about Vieri....
ok, it's better for everybody if I stop typing.
AC Milan is so terribly esitating because there are no money
Silvio said AC Milan has to run with the own legs
no kidding
that's a good choice
... but if you have Galliani, who sign Dida until 2012 for 5 mil. € per year...
and now he signed Lambretta, clearly on the sunset boulevard..
come on!
ps.: please, I want to ask to the moderators to pray the user "Giancarlo" to modify his firm, because this is not a political forum, so please he should erase "Forza Italia", because it's a political referring, it's the name of an italian (rubbish) party . He, "Giancarlo", shouldn't use the capital letter for the "f", right? I don't like this party and there is no reason that it is mentioned here, thanks a lot, moderators.
hishamilan
15-06-2008, 16:46
we should have got tuncay or emre when we could look at the turkish spirit this is the reason we lost in istanbul!!!!!!!!
ginoformaggino
15-06-2008, 16:48
no baby, Emre is gone and Tuncay is a big delusion, come on! Talk me about Nihat and then you'll see that I'am ready to smile
goal.com has given my boy Quaresma a 4.0 it really is a crap site :guw:
I must admit that he was disappointing....but I think he must also feel hard done by ...being given onl a meaningless match to play....nevertheless a TRUE pro would have given even a crap match his all
goal.com has given my boy Quaresma a 4.0 it really is a crap site :guw:
I must admit that he was disappointing....but I think he must also feel hard done by ...being given onl a meaningless match to play....nevertheless a TRUE pro would have given even a crap match his all
I never really understood your affection with Quaresma.
I always saw a player with incredibille technique but without much use of his technique.
For years i've been waiting for him to explode but i'm being disappointed over and over again.
I'm not doubting his quality, the guy is extremely talented and only being in Portuguese 23 men squad is a proof that he's been doing something right. But whenever i watched him for Portugal or in an important match for Porto, he was always the worst player on the pitch.
Such a shame because he had the potential to be better than CR7.
Nesta was bought for 30 million installed over 3 payments.. please correct me if i am wrong.
Regarding attackers..is it possible we are being linked with all of them and then SURPRISE !! we buy someone whom we were never linked with.
As far as i can remember, we are not linked to the following:
Toni
Villa
Torres
Klose
Podolski
All the rest, I guess, I have read some news in a way or another that we are being linked to... any other strikers we are not been rumored about
I never really understood your affection with Quaresma.
I always saw a player with incredibille technique but without much use of his technique.
For years i've been waiting for him to explode but i'm being disappointed over and over again.
I'm not doubting his quality, the guy is extremely talented and only being in Portuguese 23 men squad is a proof that he's been doing something right. But whenever i watched him for Portugal or in an important match for Porto, he was always the worst player on the pitch.
Such a shame because he had the potential to be better than CR7.
You are right about everything....he has the potential to be better than CR7 too as you stated...I am just a believer that one day he will decide to get serious and play like he can.
hitmannq8
15-06-2008, 19:32
Nesta was bought for 30 million installed over 3 payments.. please correct me if i am wrong.
Regarding attackers..is it possible we are being linked with all of them and then SURPRISE !! we buy someone whom we were never linked with.
As far as i can remember, we are not linked to the following:
Toni
Villa
Torres
Klose
Podolski
All the rest, I guess, I have read some news in a way or another that we are being linked to... any other strikers we are not been rumored about
I believe we will be getting a surprise transfer too :pr115:
Because I havent really seen the management go out in public and talk about our targets like that before, thats just wrong and poor techniques of buying players..I think they have a couple of aces up their sleeves but we will have to wait until after the Euro's to see them..
I have no idea what hisham is smoking, but watching Tuncay play in all the last 3 group stage matches made me sick! He is so bad!
Blacktop
15-06-2008, 20:51
... but if you have Galliani, who sign Dida until 2012 for 5 mil. € per year...
Dida's contract runs until 2010, and it's 4 mil a year.
Brasiliero,here some info for you about Jeremy Menez.
He is 21,stand at about 6ft.
He is linked to ManU,Liverpool,inter and Milan.I hear alot of interest from ManU and Milan in the French newspapers.Mancini of Inter and Fergie have praised him in the press.
Played with Benzema and Nasri on the French U21.He has amazing control and seems to see 2-3plays ahead of when it happens.
Very good balance on the ball,very quick out of his dribbles and very fast.
He can play 3-4diffiirent attacking positions.That would make him a pefect sub for Kaka,Pato and Seedorf.He can also be play like C.Ronaldo type wing.
8-10million pounds to get him today.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyjFLJfbIUc&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyjFLJfbIUc&feature=related
Dru, I'm with you on this one as well. This forum is meant to be a place where people can freely exchange views and not to start personal insults whenever someone's views dont match theirs.
I've read Giancarlo's posts and almost all are direct, personal insults to other members who with all due respect have been here much longer than him. Senior members should be treated with more respect and not be allowed to be called names by a 22 year old newbie whose views cannot be challenged without resorting to personal insults and threats.
BTW, Milan management better deliver this season or else there will be some major protests. And I dont know why we keep selling players before we find their replacements. Once again we sold Gila and are now desperate to find a replacement, I just hope there is no repeat panic buy ala Oliveira again.
Dru, I'm with you on this one as well. This forum is meant to be a place where people can freely exchange views .
if I may further elaborate.. freely exchange views only with the full acknowledgment that one takes sole responsibility for what they post.
Remember that freedom of speech doesn't mean "this is my opinion and I can say whatever I want". It's not about saying whatever you want. It's about saying what you want without insulting others, where others also include the players.
Yes Jeff, but you can't go around calling other members "jerks" or "ignorant" and accuse them of not knowing what they're talking about. If you're going to reprimand people from insulting our players, then the very least you can do is reprimand someone who has just joined this forum and start off by telling everyone who disagrees with him how little they know about transfers and then resort to direct name-calling. I think the arrogance and attitude is appalling and I'm not going to sit back and let other members/friends be insulted like this.
well jeff, isn't calling someone a jerk (as giancarlo did with dru) a personal insult?? yet you did not react to it.
on the other hand, if dru, mrki, me, or other posters say something negative about the management, you and warro are the first to react. you keep saying that negative talk won't bring any good to the team. Do you think saying positive things like "great job in getting Emerson", "What a good subtitution for Sheva we had in RO" or similar, will bring something good? both are opinions, and if someone has one, he has the right to express it.
Ok, you and Warro are moderators, and I appreciate your postings, and the work you do to keep things cool in here, but how is your "positive" opinion more right than our "negative"?
IMHO, everyone should be allowed to express their opinions, as long as they do not insult other posters, or players, or management on personal level. Saying what a poor market by Galliani, or what a poor performance by Dida is not an insult. It's someone's opinion and should be respected just as your opinion that management knows what it's doing, or that player X will get better.
well jeff, isn't calling someone a jerk (as giancarlo did with dru) a personal insult?? yet you did not react to it.
on the other hand, if dru, mrki, me, or other posters say something negative about the management, you and warro are the first to react. you keep saying that negative talk won't bring any good to the team. Do you think saying positive things like "great job in getting Emerson", "What a good subtitution for Sheva we had in RO" or similar, will bring something good? both are opinions, and if someone has one, he has the right to express it.
Ok, you and Warro are moderators, and I appreciate your postings, and the work you do to keep things cool in here, but how is your "positive" opinion more right than our "negative"?
IMHO, everyone should be allowed to express their opinions, as long as they do not insult other posters, or players, or management on personal level. Saying what a poor market by Galliani, or what a poor performance by Dida is not an insult. It's someone's opinion and should be respected just as your opinion that management knows what it's doing, or that player X will get better.
I have just a couple of reactions (and to rt9's concerns as well), but I decide to do it in PM so that the purpose of the thread is not lost. Parties who are involved will be PMed. Stay tune.
Jxx
Also, from here on, I will take a more authoritarian approach and edit posts where necessary.
Also, from here on, I will take a more authoritarian approach and edit posts where necessary.
I absolutely agree with that.
Would you be so kind to respond to my "positive - negative opinions" argumentation :)
Let's get back on to the summer mercato.
I just don't know who Milan is getting as a striker; all the obivous choices are so so expensive! Is it just a smokescreen?! Or are we really going after Adebayor or Drogba? *Sigh* I really don't know...
But we HAVE TO get one. That's for sure. We are IN for a present, but we don't know what that present will be ;).
Milano84
16-06-2008, 00:45
thi is slight O/T but man.... does anyone else agree with me that raa van der vaart would be a PERFECT fit next to kaka and pato... in a 4-2-3-1.... of course we'd need that 1 (tht or pippo has to miraculasly because 10 years yonger and be able to play 30+ games!!! but back to reality and not galliani's dream world....)
anyone have info on him. I know he wants to leave hamburg (or is ready eitherway). i know he was considering using article 17...
as for menez. Ive only seen him once or twice and both times, he looked ok.... but i have heard name for a couple years. IS he really that game breaking? I'm a little disillusioned on young french talent... gourcuff.... etc i feel they r all a little overhyped by big french publications. then again benzema, ben arfa and nasri are all only 20, so maybe thats a WEE bit harsh on my part
Gabriel489
16-06-2008, 01:53
So whats the latest???
well the rumour is slow down on transfer market considering Euro is running. this is off topic but Roma almost done for Riise according to News Of The World newspaper:
http://www.transfermarketweb.com/?action=read&idsel=18511
pretty much a bit shock that Riise has an intention to leave Liverpool. or probably i missed something before because i didnt follow Premiere League that much beside Arsenal news ^^
Giancarlo
16-06-2008, 02:14
Dru, I'm with you on this one as well. This forum is meant to be a place where people can freely exchange views and not to start personal insults whenever someone's views dont match theirs.
I've read Giancarlo's posts and almost all are direct, personal insults to other members who with all due respect have been here much longer than him. Senior members should be treated with more respect and not be allowed to be called names by a 22 year old newbie whose views cannot be challenged without resorting to personal insults and threats.
I'm not insulting anyone. I suggest that you take that back. And if being longer here is an open invitation for one to hurl abuse, then so be it. I'll be out of here in no time.
I am treating people with respect, but when I am disrespected, respect will not be returned.
And saying that someone is being a jerk is putting it lightly. I could have used more stern, harsh language towards someone... but I implied that they were being a jerk about something.. in particular their attitude. The word is directed at the attitude of the individual, not themselves. Sometimes, especially on political matters, I can be a real jerk about things myself.
ACMILAN1983
16-06-2008, 02:28
well jeff, isn't calling someone a jerk (as giancarlo did with dru) a personal insult?? yet you did not react to it.
on the other hand, if dru, mrki, me, or other posters say something negative about the management, you and warro are the first to react. you keep saying that negative talk won't bring any good to the team. Do you think saying positive things like "great job in getting Emerson", "What a good subtitution for Sheva we had in RO" or similar, will bring something good? both are opinions, and if someone has one, he has the right to express it.
Ok, you and Warro are moderators, and I appreciate your postings, and the work you do to keep things cool in here, but how is your "positive" opinion more right than our "negative"?
IMHO, everyone should be allowed to express their opinions, as long as they do not insult other posters, or players, or management on personal level. Saying what a poor market by Galliani, or what a poor performance by Dida is not an insult. It's someone's opinion and should be respected just as your opinion that management knows what it's doing, or that player X will get better.
All matters, swearing, insults or otherwise have been dealt with accordingly, but not publicly.
As for your opinions on the management, there is nothing wrong with it, hence no action has been taken against any of you. Likewise, Jeff’s and Warro’s opinions are just as valid.
catennacio
16-06-2008, 02:44
gian - i believe you have no intention to insult anyone. but i think your problem is you're too conservative to not to take other's idea and treat them respectfully. if someone has any ideas that don't match with yours, you require them to prove. why would ppl have to do this, when this forum is supposed to be a place for fun, not a university exam for someone to brainstorm and use their logic to prove what they say.
another problem is that you take it personal when people disagree with your ideas. the fact is that, as i said before you never want to listen, and never want to accept or be convinced. you keep telling ppl they don't know about transfer and the management. that, to them - some senior members, is like disrespect, not as hard as an insult. its true that not everyone has chances to watch the players in action but it doesn't mean their opinions are wrong because of that.
the thing is you need to open your heart and accept things others think about and respect them. i'm pretty sure when you say "sorry i was wrong" or "you were right about..." ppl in here will not bash at you.
overall i personally think you did a good job in contributing in this forum in general and make this thread lively in particular :)
just my 2 cents.
Giancarlo
16-06-2008, 02:48
I don't take anything personally. If you wish to continue this it would be more appropriate by private messaging. But I do not take any opinions expressed on here personally to heart. I may not agree with them but there is no point getting angry or upset over what someone else says on the internet. This is just a forum.
I'm sorry, but in my book, calling someone a "jerk" is an insult, no matter how you try to phrase it. And the fact that you insist that you could have used even stronger language shows how highly you think of yourself and your opinions and how lowly you value others', particularly those who dont think like you. No matter whether you direct your language at someone's attitude or personality or whatever, in a friendly forum like this, you have no right to treat other people with such disrespect.
And no one is hurling any abuse at you. I am simply voicing my opinion just like you are. If you want to leave the forum, then go ahead, I could care less.
Giancarlo
16-06-2008, 02:56
I'm sorry, but in my book, calling someone a "jerk" is an insult, no matter how you try to phrase it. And the fact that you insist that you could have used even stronger language shows how highly you think of yourself and your opinions and how lowly you value others', particularly those who dont think like you. No matter whether you direct your language at someone's attitude or personality or whatever, in a friendly forum like this, you have no right to treat other people with such disrespect.
And no one is hurling any abuse at you. I am simply voicing my opinion just like you are. If you want to leave the forum, then go ahead, I could care less.
I don't like my words being misconstrued. I'm done arguing here. I value the opinions of others highly, don't try to tell others the way I think. It's just inappropriate.
Your opinion about me is incorrect.
If you wish to continue this I will only do so by private messaging.
It's clear that the management haven't a clue what their doing, because they are unwilling to spend serious money. A faltering Zambro, 3 loan returns, one of whom actually cost us 8 mill?, and a free transfer. At this rate UEFA cup will be all we can hope for.
catennacio
16-06-2008, 03:23
same old story... and they won't change
catennacio
16-06-2008, 03:29
how i wish they will buy veloso/moutinho and jeremy menez, a good left back, a striker and a gk :D
kastriot
16-06-2008, 03:44
What's your problem? you're putting a something I said clearly out of context into your signature? What is your damn problem? Nothing more than an insulting jerk you are.
And good luck with yours. You're not worth my time. You're a waste of time. I won't argue with someone as short sighted as you.[/SIZE]
I'm taking something you said. I'm going to attack people when they call me imposters, because that's both false it is also insulting. You learn something. YOU LEARN! Grow up!
You've done it several times to get an insult put in. That shows how much of a character you really are.
You're a punk. And you sound just like a washed up inter fan from one of their forums. I didn't get lost. I came here on my own. Now grow up and show some respect
I went through some of your posts Gian. And you have really made some constructive arguments in here, and I`m sure all the members respect that,however dude talks like he above are not appreciated anywhere especially in MM, where we put a great emphasis in Respect, even more for the senior members. maybe you need a bit more time to understand how MM works,however this kind of attitude wont get you nowhere.
Please dont take this the wrong way,I just posted in the name so this could stop, and continue with the good work.
t.gianni
16-06-2008, 04:01
Ugh! What a twist in the silly season. I wish we sign someone so that we can move on to discussing the topic.
BTW forum, what are your views on Mertesacker. I have been impressed by his performance since the 2006 WC. If he wants to join us, he would cost around 12 million euros. Is he worth the investment?
remote2book
16-06-2008, 04:10
all i wanna say on this topic is DRU RT9 and some of the other iam with you (as in i share the same views and thoughts on our managment and other things) back on the market so i read some of you guys talking about tuncay and arada turan they are good players but out of all the players on the turkey international team the CD Servert Cetin the guy is HUGE!!! he is 1.91m tall (6 ft 3) 27 years old and to me he has been really impressive a rock highly expierenced and just seems like has so much determination but than again when was the last time we bought a turkish player
Peachtot
16-06-2008, 04:12
BTW forum, what are your views on Mertesacker. I have been impressed by his performance since the 2006 WC. If he wants to join us, he would cost around 12 million euros. Is he worth the investment?
I think Mertesacker just a mediocre center back. Against Croatia you could see how good he is. That's it !
What's happening to this forum?
It's like a soap drama with a mixture of Oprah...
I guess 4 years of crappy mercato is finally getting to us all... We starting to sound like inter fans... frustrated and arguing against each other...
If Eto'o will not go to Milan we should go for Huntelaar. This is the best option.
Gio-mania
16-06-2008, 05:18
What's happening to this forum?
It's like a soap drama with a mixture of Oprah...
I guess 4 years of crappy mercato is finally getting to us all... We starting to sound like inter fans... frustrated and arguing against each other...
Indeed.... very true.
kakacmilan best
16-06-2008, 05:24
I think that in the coming days we will be linking to Cassano...
I think that in the coming days we will be linking to Cassano...
I don't think so ... he seems not to have the right mentality.
About football, I wouldn't mind him to come in Milan, but would he be a great addition to the team ?
Everywhere he went/goes, we can read that there are problems with him (for moment, nothing in Sampdoria except his sketches when he took some yellow cards or red cards). But he has been only one year in Sampdoria lol ... and I thought he had signed for them just some days before Euro ??
Gio-mania
16-06-2008, 05:42
According to this article by Corriere dello Sport: (http://www.corrieredellosport.it/Notizie/Calcio/33448/Il+Milan+fa+i+conti+per+Adebayor)
Milan have spent €19,5 M - (Zambro 9M, Borriello 7M, Antonini 3.5M)
Milan have earned €29,5 M - (Gila 15M, RO 10M, Grimi 3.5M, Storari 1M)
[if the Simic deal if finalized, € 4M will be added to the tally]
Through youth loans/selling half the price tag and selling permanently, Milan have so far earned €11,7 M - (Matri 2M, Marzoratti 1.2M, Astori 1M, Sammarco 2.5M, Pozzi 3M & Aba*te 2M [no destination yet, but that is the price] ) - Galliani intends to try to extend this further to €24-25 M.
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pretty good business so far, I'd say. I'm not sure what the deal is for all those youngsters, aka which have been permanently sold and which have been 1/2-sold. I don't think any of those will turn out to be REAL Milan material, but players for the bench or for starting spots at Fiorentina, Udinese, Lazio and Napoli (teams which will be in 5-8th place, unless Milan repeat themselves). I havent seen them play much at all, so i cannot really judge - but they arent no Pato's, Balotelli's or even Paloschi's....
Hope we keep Abate though. He's been awesome this season, and has real potential to improve... considering we have three LB's (Janku, Favalli, Antonini) and "less than 3 " RB's (Zambro, Oddo, Bonera[?]) - he could be a nice sub. - or maybe one more year to gain experience could be good - havent made up my mind :rollani:
Aba*te 2M [no destination yet, but that is the price] ):
His destination is now official on acmilan.com: he's a Milan player and Pozzi is an Empoli player ...
I read somewhere on the net few days ago that Berlusconi had given money to have again a positive balance and so cancel our debt. He maybe plans to give an extra to buy our next striker ? lol
Warro Bantan
16-06-2008, 05:53
How highly is Abate rated? I read about him somewhere (could be mm), but don't recall seeing him play...
A reminder please?
rinogattuso
16-06-2008, 06:04
How highly is Abate rated? I read about him somewhere (could be mm), but don't recall seeing him play...
A reminder please?
He is great player..very,very fast I heard somewhere that he run's somthing about eleven second on 100m.He is right winger whit great pass skills and dribling solutions!
I watch him 3,4 times and he was prove himself on youth festival in Tulon whit one gola and assit i think.I is good in taktical option when wee need presure on flank to beat small teams!
Graeme C
16-06-2008, 06:05
How highly is Abate rated? I read about him somewhere (could be mm), but don't recall seeing him play...
A reminder please?
I rate him, he and Antonini killed us on the left hand side when we played against Empoli.
Does anyone here know the full line up of the italian side from the Toulon Tournament? Were being linked with the Left back, Bocchetti this morning.
rinogattuso
16-06-2008, 06:08
His destination is now official on acmilan.com: he's a Milan player and Pozzi is an Empoli player ...
I read somewhere on the net few days ago that Berlusconi had given money to have again a positive balance and so cancel our debt. He maybe plans to give an extra to buy our next striker ? lol
We had around 20 milions in pocket from Gila,Oli and others players that we sell!
Berlu must give us for grat striker!!And Pato will be options in the OM,whit Kaka and seedorf
rinogattuso
16-06-2008, 06:11
I rate him, he and Antonini killed us on the left hand side when we played against Empoli.
Does anyone here know the full line up of the italian side from the Toulon Tournament? Were being linked with the Left back, Bocchetti this morning.
Player from seria B,Frossione one of the best defenders i seria B!!He had good tackle and superior in jump but he can play on CB also,Abate is very good purchase for us,i praid that he will return to Milan
Like many others I really want that CB to make us stronger, but I know that our market will mostly be rated and judged by whom the striker we buy will be.
Eto'o = awesome
Sheva = epic fail
Gio-mania
16-06-2008, 06:20
Can abate be that player many people in this thread have been talking about, aka someone who can replace seedorf and give both offensive and defensive support? Seeing as he is a side-midfielder, that is somewhat where we played seedorf in the 4-3-1-2 formation...
This article (gazzetta) (http://www.gazzetta.it/Calcio/Calciomercato/Primo_Piano/2008/06_Giugno/13/MERCATOINTER.shtml) talks about Inter's mercato, esp. their search for a winger. What i found most shocking was, however, the price that Roma would be willing to sell Mancini - € 13M + a player.... this is really low for a player like him. it is of course due to his contract expiring in the summer 2009. But imagine we switch the "player" to € 5-10M (or Brocchi, who they'd refuse) - that would be a nice signing. In case Abate isnt made for that role, esp. as his main role, Mancini would fill those requisites …
hishamilan
16-06-2008, 06:52
I bet we will be linked to cassano after the euros!!! after abate's amazing signing i hope we get marzoratte + guerci + young aubameyang ... this is my dream team ... i am sorry guys but i took 4 pills of sarcasm today !!!!!
I bet we will be linked to cassano after the euros!!! after abate's amazing signing i hope we get marzoratte + guerci + young aubameyang ... this is my dream team ... i am sorry guys but i took 4 pills of sarcasm today !!!!!
I'm pretty sure you're wrong about Cassano :) He just completed his move to Sampdoria a couple of weeks ago (he was on loan from Real Madrid).
Hey guys thanks for the support :proud: The way we behaved today is how the forum should always be (i.e. sticking up for eachother) Thanks rt9, stitch Gio-mania, remote2book and anyone else who I forgot :respect:
So far all my mercato hopefuls have either been underwhelming (Lahm) or downright rubbish (Gomez, Quaresma) But I don't feel too bad....all the Benzema groupies are going :wth: atm :D Veloso, Moutinho haven't impressed....Cech has made high profile errors...actually only Podolski, Miguel have looked the bill as possible transfers...unless Berlu is engineering the greatest transfer coup in history to get us Villa or CR7 :googly: I really don't mind having Podolsko though as he is extremely versatile and most importantly FAST :1old:
Mrki keeps pleading and no one listens but he IS right WE NEED SPEED. Enough with the "all tactical" players already. My suggestion is a guy from Portugal....I can't remember his name atm but I'm pretty sure it starts with a "Q" :guw:
Warro Bantan
16-06-2008, 07:27
While others here may prefer Quaresma, I am not at all upset with Abate's capture.
I am always happy when Milan aquire Italian talent, as long as the gap between the aquisition and other options on the market isn't that significant (cue several responses from "lake of pitch" country to the defense of Super Quaresma)
While it might be silly to compare these players, my defense is that we are, after all, in silly season. :D
Instead of Miguel Veloso I would be interested in seeing us acquire Inler from Udinese.
If you want speed, you have now Abate !! :rone:
It's true we need one or two players who can run very "fastly" (this word sounds weird to me lol) ... but if they walk like Seedorf, their speed will be useless !! lol
The best would be a guy who runs very very fastly in our defense (so the most probable would have been a side-Back but we won't get any new, I don't know any CB running really fast** ??), one in our midfield (now Abate + Kaka' when he has the ball) and one in our attack.
** and who is a good CB too lol
While others here may prefer Quaresma, I am not at all upset with Abate's capture.
I am always happy when Milan aquire Italian talent, as long as the gap between the aquisition and other options on the market isn't that significant (cue several responses from "lake of pitch" country to the defense of Super Quaresma)
While it might be silly to compare these players, my defense is that we are, after all, in silly season. :D No defense here. As much as I like him it's far time that he steps up....less talented players like Ribery are making waves because of their sheer determination. Abate IS great and from what I heard IS very fast (finally) and is good on the wing. He mightn't be making waves in the media but if you want good football his acquisition will probably suit us better than the metro guy. Dennilson was one of the most talented footballers ever but never applied himself. I hope Quaresma and Cassano will wake up one day and set the world on fire but until then Milan must progress :5ok:
So for moment, our team is:
GK - Kalac, Dida, Storari, Abbiati
Defense - Oddo, Zambrotta, Bonera, Nesta, Kaladze, Maldini, Jankulovski, Antonini, Favalli
Midfield - Gattuso, Pirlo, Ambrosini, Flamini, Emerson, Brocchi, Abate, Kaka', Seedorf
Attack - Pato, Inzaghi, Borriello, Paloschi
Sold/Loaned/Retired - Cafu, Serginho, Gilardino, Gourcuff
Would be good if people update that list sometimes lol !!
By looking at that list and by knowing that our management said that we will have a team composed of approximately 24/25 players, and to finish by knowing that they seemingly try to get a CB, maybe a GK, even if no news since Abbiati came back and the end of Lloris story, and someone in front (offensive midfielder and/or striker), we can already try to know who will be the next to leave:
- At least 1 GK of course, probably 2 GKs if we buy one
- 1 midfielder (my 2 cents on Brocchi lol)
- 1 striker unless Paloschi stays as a "joker" for "money time" of important matches or to allow Pato/Inzaghi or others to have some rest
If you want speed, you have now Abate !! :rone:
It's true we need one or two players who can run very "fastly" (this word sounds weird to me lol) ... but if they walk like Seedorf, their speed will be useless !! lol
The best would be a guy who runs very very fastly in our defense (so the most probable would have been a side-Back but we won't get any new, I don't know any CB running really fast** ??), one in our midfield (now Abate + Kaka' when he has the ball) and one in our attack.
** and who is a good CB too lol I always thought of Nesta as being rather fast for a defender....If we get Zapata...I've heard people speak glowingly about his pace we'd be ok....IF we got a speedster like Alves we'd RULE!!
I always thought of Nesta as being rather fast for a defender....If we get Zapata...I've heard people speak glowingly about his pace we'd be ok....IF we got a speedster like Alves we'd RULE!!
Yep, no, I don't know actually ... I don't know when we can say that a defender (defenser ?) is fast, so I'll let all of you judge yourself about that lol.
I never thought Nesta was/is really fast, he's "just" smart, he knows where to be, like Maldini and other great(est) CB. So even if the guy in front of him runs a lot faster than him, he is rarely beaten because he's always right-placed on the pitch to stop him.
Yep, no, I don't know actually ... I don't know when we can say that a defender (defenser ?) is fast, so I'll let all of you judge yourself about that lol.
I never thought Nesta was/is really fast, he's "just" smart, he knows where to be, like Maldini and other great(est) CB. So even if the guy in front of him runs a lot faster than him, he is rarely beaten because he's always right-placed on the pitch to stop him.Nope I think Maldini WAS fast back in the day.....but fast defenders are not necessarily the best.....all a good attacker has to do is send you the wrong way and you're screwed....Cannavaro has a bit of zip to him too but I don't want him here.
There's a little guy in Brazil (I think he's playing in France atm) named Rathino.......like Quaresma he has it all but hasn't come good on his talent as yet...I wonder if Leonardo is scouting on him??:1spie:
Eduardo Ratinho is a 20yo RB from Brazil (Corinthians). He has been loaned to Toulouse in January 2008. His loan contract lasts 18 months and Toulouse has an option to buy him ...
So it would be difficult for us to buy him now I think, because that would mean that his loan contract would have to be broken and then he would have to be sold ... no way this can happen. The only solution to take someone in this situation is to give money to Toulouse to buy him and make them loaning him to us, and then let us buying him.
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