Summer mercato 2009

[M.O.I.]

ancelotti's favourite players,besides milan's,were drogba alex and essien,so why would he let them leave them now..he just wants to combine them with pirlo(maybe seedorf too),so as to play the way he wants since 2-3 years now..

[Hasan Rossonero]

Galliani is in Madrid with Kaka' father, according to the Spanish press.

Yes, it's true, we are being run by absolute scum of the earth.

[Gabriel489]

Like you said, according to Spanish press.

Just listen to Kaka, he came out and stated that he is staying, what more do you want.

[MiamiMilanista]

Galliani is in Madrid with Kaka' father, according to the Spanish press.

Yes, it's true, we are being run by absolute scum of the earth.

Just read this as well on tuttomercato:

Clamoroso: Galliani a Madrid da Perez con Bosco Leite

Adriano Galliani è atterrato un'ora fa con un volo privato all'aereoporto Torrejon de Ardoz ed è in questo momento a colloquio privato a Madrid con Florentino Perez e Bosco Leite, padre di Kakà: lo rivela la stampa spagnola, che parla di un accordo in fase avanzato tra le parti per il trasferimento del brasiliano al Real Madrid. Kakà in questo momento di trova a Teresopolis nel ritiro della Seleçao, in attesa di giocare le gare del 6 e 10 contro Uruguay e Paraguay.

[Gabriel489]

Don't believe in the Spainish press or tuttomercato.

[Hasan Rossonero]

AS has confirmed the story. Don't know what that means, but I really don't think you can make up Galliani being in Madrid.

Wake up--Kaka is being sold.

EDIT: Gazzetta is on it, citing AS.

I will repeat: I don't think Kaka' wants to leave. I think Galli and Berlu want to sell him.

[_MaJi_tz]

But after turning down a lucrative offer from Manchester City in January, Kaka has once again made it clear that his desire is to remain at the San Siro.

“I will say it for one last time: I do not want to leave Milan,” La Gazzetta dello Sport quotes Kaka as having said while on the flight to his homeland.

“I prefer to keep quiet for the time being because I don’t want to be misinterpreted or, even worse, manipulated.

“I just want to say to the millions of Rossoneri fans that I have made my choice. I want to stay. Just leave me alone, please.”

[Hasan Rossonero]

Apparently, Madrid are offering 60 million + one of Robben or Sneijder.

Sounds like a horrible deal if true.

Source: milannews.it, AS

[MiamiMilanista]

Apparently, Madrid are offering 60 million + one of Robben or Sneijder.

Sounds like a horrible deal if true.

Source: milannews.it, AS

If this is true, the 60million should not even hit the bank. It needs to be completely re-invested in the squad.

What would everyone think if they were to take the 60 and buy C. Ronaldo?

Sneijder on one wing, Ronaldo on the other???

[mrki]

Starting mercato with the sales of Gourcuff and KAka', hahahahaha!! This is the way to go! Robben? WTF? Sneijder for Kaka'? That is the right path.

Berlusconi started it 4 years ago: Selling the players, taking the money out...and then selling the club. Pure business.

Im sure KAka' would stay, but the club AGAIN wants to sell.

[mrki]

If this is true, the 60million should not even hit the bank. It needs to be completely re-invested in the squad.

What would everyone think if they were to take the 60 and buy C. Ronaldo?

Sneijder on one wing, Ronaldo on the other???

I think: **** it! Ricky 4 ever!

[Ceceves]

If this is true, the 60million should not even hit the bank. It needs to be completely re-invested in the squad.

What would everyone think if they were to take the 60 and buy C. Ronaldo?

Sneijder on one wing, Ronaldo on the other???

Sneijder isn't a winger, he's been placed there in the starting lineup often at Madrid but he never comes close to the touchline during the actual games.

And if we get €60m that cash should be spend on a couple of defenders before we start talking about Cronaldo (how I would hate to see his self-loving mug in a rossonero shirt!).

[MiamiMilanista]

I think: **** it! Ricky 4 ever!

La Gazzetta has it on the front page. They are quoting AS, but as Hasan said, it's time to get ready for the obvious

[mrki]

Lets not fool ourselves, Ronaldo is not the player Milan will buy or that Milan needs. They will spend 40-50 mln and say that we "covered our debts".

Im disgusted if this is true. They are selling him again aldough the man wants to play for Milan. But money talks aguess...

[Vulli]

First Madrid have offerd 60-68 milion euro and it was considered low offer from Galliani, then Perez have offered 60 Milion plus Snaider or Robben, Milan will have some days to think and decide

[mrki]

We are not a big club naymore. None buys Messi from Barcelona and Barca doesnt offer him every 6 months like we do with KAka'. We cant keep our best players, we cant buy best players. Its a sad situation created by BERLUSCONI.

[MiamiMilanista]

We are not a big club naymore. None buys Messi from Barcelona and Barca doesnt offer him every 6 months like we do with KAka'. We cant keep our best players, we cant buy best players. Its a sad situation created by BERLUSCONI.

Sad, but perfectly stated. No one EVER hears about Messi. He is NEVER rumored away from Barca. The only reason Ronaldo has rumors surrounding him is because he puts it on himself via interviews, etc. Very sad.

[regin]

tough times ahead...if they sell kaka' while he wants to stay..i'll never ever regret if milan players are not loyal anymore..cuz the club will sell them oneday..I think we have lost it...we are gonna find it hard to attract players...

[M.O.I.]

Easy now, we only just got a new coach yesterday, and we only just secured direct CL qualification on sunday. No rumours =/= nothing is happening. I agree that it's important to finish the mercato early, but if we buy a player today or we buy a player the 30th of june makes no difference, since the transfer window opens the 1st of July anyways.

ok,you're right its too early to talk..maybe after a week when kaka will be history,i ll have the right to talk..

and of course no rumours doesnt mean nths happening,but there is a gr8 rumour saying kaka will leave..
dude personally i dont have to w8 until 30 june,its pretty clear for me..
as i said either we sell kaka, and there is a chance we get a decent player or we dont and stand still..f*d up anyway..

[regin]

http://www.gazzetta.it/Calcio/Calciomercato/02-06-2009/galliani-vola-madrid-50481747289.shtml...

[MiamiMilanista]

http://www.gazzetta.it/Calcio/Calciomercato/02-06-2009/galliani-vola-madrid-50481747289.shtml...

Nice, he's at the beach!!

[Hasan Rossonero]

Galliani has denied being in Spain.

Suddenly, I feel foolish. :sun:

But really who knows what is going on. Christian is right, but it is very hard to trust the management.

[Christian]

So how come everyone is getting so upset after the 110th AS story about Kaka??? They have been writting about him every week for 2 years now, if not more. I'm not even joking, I bet you can find a Kaka story in the last two years editions of AS or Marca once a week.

Will it happen? Maybe, maybe not, but you guys have already begun blaming Berlusconi, Galliani and everybody else at the club before anything has happened yet. Kaka hasn't been sold yet, if ever, and you're already complaining that we haven't bought new players for the money. Sorry guys, but could you please stop whining about everything about the management before they have even done anything.

[Rick]

People!!!

1. Kaka has just said "for the last time" that he's not leaving Milan and has asked to just be left alone about it because he's not going anywhere.

2. AS completely made up an interview with Kaka two summers ago quoting him as saying he'd like to go play at Real Madrid. They were caught red-handed. Why would anyone put any stock in what they say? The rest of the Spanish press isn't much better.

3. Silvio is not going to make himself look A.) foolish; and B.) like a bad guy by selling Kaka out from under the noses of the fans who adore him and on the heels of Kaka saying he is not going anywhere. Silvio may be a fascist bastard, but he's not stupid. Remember in January how Silvio made himself look like a big hero by claiming he put an end to the "negotiations" with Manchester City? How ridiculous would he look now if he sold Kaka for 60% of what Manchester City was offering? Hell will freeze over before Silvio does anything that would so obviously make him look like a fool in the eyes of the Italian public. He has too much at stake.

So please, stop worrying. Calm down. Have a beer. The transfer window has just opened. Kaka is going nowhere. Neither is Pato. Let's wait and see how this summer's transfers pan out before we go jumping off a bridge or something. :beer:

:3band:

[mrki]

You can say whatever you want on the phone... Call me and I'll say Im in Jamaica.

Anyway, selling Kaka' is a move that cant be payed and cant be defended by buying any player in the world. As far as I've concerned. If we sell him I'd be extremly dissapointed in Berlusconi.

[Arildonardo]

We are not a big club naymore. None buys Messi from Barcelona and Barca doesnt offer him every 6 months like we do with KAka'. We cant keep our best players, we cant buy best players. Its a sad situation created by BERLUSCONI.

Remember, it's silly season... Stories are created by the media, it's only normal.

We can't keep our best players? I can't remember many players leaving Milan at the peak of their careers, can you? Well, Shevchenko... But that was because he really wanted to go because of his family.

[Bosniaco]

Exacly, As has been writing about Kaka for year now, I dont even read stories like these anymore. I know our golden boy is not going anywhere.

[slifersd]

I seriously doubt Kaka is leaving, this season at least. For one, Leonardo is a guy handpicked by Berlusconi to become the new Capello of this team. You have to assume that when he was promised the position, he was also promised with a lot of other support from the management as well. And selling the best player upon his first season here would make Leonardo look like an idiot taking this job as well as a bad coach because of the lack of talent on his team. Although I do think Kaka will leave for Real Madrid eventually (due to the will of the management), this summer is definitely the wrong time for it to happen.

Speaking of the mercato, we do need to start working on it. We have already secured the CL spot and decided on our new coach (for a while now). There is no excuse for us to be sitting back and watching every other team in Serie A getting busy, especially since Juventus doesn't even have a coach yet and already signed two major players. With the lack of top quality players in the market, teams are getting smart about their transfer strategies and start working early. We no longer have the luxury of milking our negotiation until August 31 and still land a top talent like Nesta or Gilardino (he was a top talent at the moment). If we continue to wait around like we don't really care, then we'd be picking up nothing but leftovers from other teams. And as any bum from your local street corner can tell you, picking up leftovers ain't exactly as as glamorous as it sounds.

[mrki]

Galliani IS in Madrid with Perez on some kind of re-election party as they are friends. He is not on the coast somewhere but is in Madid after all. Which is not something that surprises a lot considering Galliani lies whenever he says something in public.

[Hasan Rossonero]

Galliani: "I was joking about the beach. I am in Madrid to celebrate the election of my friend, Florentino Perez."

Gazzetta.

[mrki]

AS: "Kaka is Madrids player".

Just bringing it, not saying its true. For around 65mln.

[Hasan Rossonero]

Imagine being a fan of a club like Real, Barca or Man U right now.

They can go after the best players in the world and bully clubs into selling them. Mrki is right, and I have touched on this several times, if we sell Kaka' we will be a smaller club. Our image as a big club will be greatly tarnished.

Berlusconi: "I don't know if we can keep him. They offered a lot of money."

Gazzetta says it is all done and dusted.

[Reza]

After waving the Milan jersey in January and I could go on....make no mistake that if this happens - and when it is on the front of page of Gazzetta it's a bit more believeable - then all parties involved are to blame.

[bLOND !-,-!]

HAHAHHAA, I CAN'T BELIEVE !!!

berlu said exactly the same sentence this winter on man city saga...
exactly the same, hahah !!!
they offered a lot of money...blalblalblblala

[Xudong]

Imagine being a fan of a club like Real, Barca or Man U right now.

They can go after the best players in the world and bully clubs into selling them. Mrki is right, and I have touched on this several times, if we sell Kaka' we will be a smaller club. Our image as a big club will be greatly tarnished.

Berlusconi: "I don't know if we can keep him. They offered a lot of money."

Gazzetta says it is all done and dusted.

Come on, Hasan, cheer up. I follow the news everyday too, but I don't take it seriously. It is all silly rumor and that's how they sell newspapers. After all, there is nothing that we can do either whether it is true or false, right? Just be patient and wait for the "final" news.

I could be wrong, but I don't think Kaka will leave. :gonova:

[kastriot]

Imagine being a fan of a club like Real, Barca or Man U right now.

They can go after the best players in the world and bully clubs into selling them. Mrki is right, and I have touched on this several times, if we sell Kaka' we will be a smaller club. Our image as a big club will be greatly tarnished.

Berlusconi: "I don't know if we can keep him. They offered a lot of money."

Gazzetta says it is all done and dusted.

Berlusconi is playing with fire atm...This time Kaka wont say NO(he is a big Reak admirer), this is getting ridiculous, but If they gonna sell just do it now...so we can get smb valuable to at least try replace him. On the other hand you`s have to ask Why the hell we let Yoan go when we were about to sell KAKA.


I agree with mrki on this, how on earth a team that has underperformed massively in the last years can make such an approach to our best player, and we can not say NO.

This can be some berlusconi media game again, but peres is no fool, he wont allow to happen what happened to Man City owners... He got FIGO,RONALDO,BECKHAM and Zidane....from their respective teams which were much stronger than Milan nowadays...we might be seeing the end of Milan -Kaka relationship.

And KAkA can go on saying leave me alone,I`m staying here, but his father being in Madrid says enough,unfortunately


EDIT: 65 mil is to little for Kaka...this makes it even worse

[Reza]

Agree with you kastriot, it certainly looks like we are past the point of AS and others making stuff up, the details can be made up and exaggerated by them but we have almost 'invited bids' more than once now and it's playing with fire.

[Warro Bantan]

Yup...its amazing...we lose Gorky, and stand on the threshold of losing Kaka...what is Berlu about? Does he really think Ronaldino can take us to silverware?

I no longer doubt too much what the press has to say, after Carlo´s departure, many things, including a "clear-out" are possible, and if the Gazetta is making these bold statements, (as they did correctly with Carlo to Chelski) then what am I to think?

Being a veteran of many a "Kaka to (insert club here)" rumors in the past, the time when we will sell up seems emminent.

Now, I think I am with those posters here who want Berlu to sell the club.

[GeoTav]

Yup...its amazing...we lose Gorky, and stand on the threshold of losing Kaka...what is Berlu about? Does he really think Ronaldino can take us to silverware?

I no longer doubt too much what the press has to say, after Carlo´s departure, many things, including a "clear-out" are possible, and if the Gazetta is making these bold statements, (as they did correctly with Carlo to Chelski) then what am I to think?

Being a veteran of many a "Kaka to (insert club here)" rumors in the past, the time when we will sell up seems emminent.

Now, I think I am with those posters here who want Berlu to sell the club.

Many people told me this winter, when I said that Kaka' would leave this summer or never that I was too pessimistic, he would go nowhere, etc ...

The problem is that now, I think he is going to leave. What I don't get is why accepting such a low offer (all "newspapers" talk about a 65M offer), especially after the one from Manchester City ?

Anyway, I try to take it with philosophy: if Kaka' leaves, maybe are we going to have a Milan team able to perform (with new players) and not a Milan team depending only on Kaka' form ...

[ThrusT]

So apparently a trustworthy Spanish source (Radio Cadena Ser) claims it's a done deal.
65MIL without any extra players... And Kaka would be earning a small 9MIL / year.

If this is true and we sold him for 65MIL (to a team with a mercato budget of 300MIL) without any other players in exchange I suppose that would be the dumbest move ever, on the transfermarket. (except maybe for that team that sold Gourcuff for 15MIL :o)


Problem is we all know that Kaka wants to stay but it seems to be all depending on Berlusconi, Galliani and the $$$. All I want to hear now is an honest and direct statement coming from Galliani whether any of these rumours are true or not. But I guess that won't happen.

[Maltese Charlie]

Kakà, Ancelotti stoppa il Real"
As e Cadena Ser: c'è anche il Chelsea
Kakà

"Ancelotti stoppa l'affare Kakà". Il quotidiano spagnolo As e l'emittente radiofonica Cadena Ser annunciano l'inserimento in extremis del Chelsea su Kakà, quando ormai l'affare fra il Milan e Real era dato per chiuso, sulla base di 64,5 milioni di euro (9 a stagione al giocatore). Secondo Cadena Ser Ancelotti, nuovo allenatore dei Blues, avrebbe contattato Bosco Leite, padre di Kakà, per bloccare la trattativa in corso col Real.

Looks like Carlo stopped the move to Madrid.

[Maltese Charlie]

On tuttomercato.web

Chelsea's offer is 80 millions and 12 to the player.

If he has to be sold I prefer Chelsea than Real.

[pazj]

I fear the kaka saga..will he stay or wont? is about to come to a sorry conclusion with kaka leaving for Real Mardid.

The writing was on the wall when milan accepeted the Man city in January and alterted the europes big guns that Milan is as a club is prepared to sell its best player if the price is right.

The reason that sale did not go through was partly down to kakas love for milan but also due to the club being Man city..The management with their usual spin and hyperbole, attempted ditract from their capitualtion th the shieks millions but suggesting that keeping Kaka was coup in its self...3 golden ball winners etc etc..when in fact what it showed to Kaka is the club was prepared to sell him..

I believe we are at a seminal point in the history of Milan never before have Milan sold a superstar at the peak of his power to 'balance the books'

A sad day in the proud history of this great club if the rumours are proves to be correct

[GeoTav]

What I don't understand is that if Ronaldo, who did his second very good season in a row (even if I don't like him, we have to say the truth, the guy is strong) leaves Manchester United tomorrow, they won't be criticized, but if we sell Kaka' (I don't want him to leave at all, but let's face it, it's not like if we wanted to sell him after his amazing season in 2007 ?!) who has struggled for 2 years tomorrow, a lot of fans here will bash the management ...


Like it is said in an article of TMW, there is something in this whole Kaka' saga that is not clear, not said to us ... the fact that a more than 100M offer was refused and then a 60M could be enough to sell him 4 months later is weird. Like they said, there is bluff somewhere (the offer of January, what say Spanish medias, or what say Kaka').

- If the offer of January was real and if Kaka' actually leaves for approximately 60M, that will mean that Kaka' lies/lied.
- If the offer of January wasn't real, that means every scenario we could imagine is possible ...

[Warro Bantan]

Their (ie Chelski)offer is better, and if this is true, and Ancelotti is behind it, then we most certainly can kiss Kaka good bye.

I am already resigned to it...if it doesnt happen, all the better, but if it does, I am prepared.

So long Kaka, thanks for the memories, the silverware, and the magic. Good luck where ever you play. Thanks so very much for the happiness you have given me.

Mid-table mediocrity here we come!!! Thanks Berlu! Now sell the damn club and be done with it!!

[pazj]

Seems like Madrid in the seat from a reliable source
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/jun/02/kaka-real-madrid-ac-milan

[mrki]

Take the money greedy bilionares and **** off from AC Milan. That dos not go for Ricky who, even if leaves, is our legend and a great man.

Now we can wait and see what happens.

[GeoTav]

Their (ie Chelski)offer is better, and if this is true, and Ancelotti is behind it, then we most certainly can kiss Kaka good bye.

I am already resigned to it...if it doesnt happen, all the better, but if it does, I am prepared.

So long Kaka, thanks for the memories, the silverware, and the magic. Good luck where ever you play. Thanks so very much for the happiness you have given me.

Mid-table mediocrity here we come!!! Thanks Berlu! Now sell the damn club and be done with it!!

Where is gone the cool attitude you had each other mercato ?!
You are starting to post exactly the same way than the people you moderated before ...

[Marco3]

Geo, unfortunately the difference for Ronaldo is that he has flirted with whether he is leaving or not, and for Kaka he has always said he wanted to stay. Therefore Man U will look like their hand was forced and they made money from it (by holding out as much as possible as they don't want to sell). We on the other hand have put ourselves in a corner by accepting the offer from Man City in January.
If Kaka does go and for the figures being quoted £60m euros, then in esence we have lost £40m euros.
I think this coupled with the buy of Emerson, the loan of Shevchenko and getting Ronaldo we have become known as the retirement home Milan have lost a lot of respect from other clubs.

It's a shame when i think back 5 years Milan were very responsible with their transfer campaigns but that appears to have flipped right on its head.
We got Ronaldinho and Beckham to crack the Asian market and could possibly sell one of the biggest players in the world.

Then again that is if all the rumours are true, this could be one of Galliani's bluffs to divert attention from a real objective? It's going to be an interesting and stressful summer people. Hold on to your hats:mex:

[Fret]

Even if Berlu wants to sell Kaka, it would be possible to get more than these 65 million Euros






...much more

[Christian]

First of all, I refuse to believe that some Radio Station has any idea what kind of transfer fees are being negotiated... How would they know? If there are any negotiations they're gonna be behind closed doors for sure. Back in january it was reported all that the transfer fee was 100M euro's then 120M euro's, then 80M euro's, after the whole thing was over, I seem to remember Manchester City officials denying that it was 100M euro's that had been offered.

My point is that the value of 100M euro's might aswell have come from Berlusconi spindocters, while the value of 65M euro's might aswell have come from Real Madrid officials do to their own interests. Either way, we have no idea what the actual values are, if there indeed are negotiations.

Secondly, a Spanish radio station is not a reliable source, for from it. It just seems odd to me that at 12:00 Kaka gets on a plane to Brazil, tells journalists that he's sick and tired of hearing about Real Madrid, and then 8 hours later the deal is apparently done.

[Warro Bantan]

Where is gone the cool attitude you had each other mercato ?!
You are starting to post exactly the same way than the people you moderated before ... My friend, I have, it seems, reached a breaking point.

With Carlo gone, Gorky lost, and NOTHING coming from the top brass as to plans for il marcato, it seems to me that the unraveling has begun.

I am tired of the reactive stance we seem to take, and the games we play in the media.

If Leonardo is to be given a chance to succeed, then we will need to hold on to our key players...

If Berlu had said something different when asked about the Kaka to Madrid story, then a lot of things would be different...

As it stands, his desultry comments re Carlo in retrospect were all part of the plan to "ease" his departure to Chelski...now this Madrid v Chelski tussle for me seems a bit too "convenient"...its as if Carlo and Galliani et al had worked this out during their final "dinner"...

I wouldnt be surprised if the conversation went like this:

Galliani: Ok, so who will you take from us to Chelski?
Carlo: Ah..well, Pirlo, Seedorf, and Kaka.

G: Kaka?
C: Did I stutter?

G: Well Madrid want him...
C: Dont worry, I will wait for Madrid to make a bid, then have Roman (you know I call him Roman now?) make a higher bid...that way, you come out like roses when you sell him for closer to what Man City bid before.

G: Sounds good to me...
C: Could you pass me the butter?

What I think (honestly) will happen, is that we end up selling Kaka, to either Madrid or Chelski, for a ton load of money. What we do with the money for me is secondary to us selling an icon of the club, a player who has indicated he wants to stay, and for what?

What ever the "grand scheme" is that Berlu is hatching, it better be good.

I have just run out of patience Geo. Plain and simple as that.

I dont even care what they do to my club anymore...I will still support, still cry FORZA MIIIIIIIILAN!!!! Still post on this site, still moderate, but something is gone from me.

Something that Barca, with their victory with beautiful football had rekindled...Hope, and belief.

Hope, and belief in the beautiful game, that the beautiful game can produce results, and that my side could produce this next term...that hope, that belief, is all but gone.


Milan siempre, Siempre Milan.

[Vulli]

I belive that Berlusconi want to sell milan to the Arabs
therefore he will use as justification Kaka
for keeping Kaka will be necessary sale of 40% of the club coz we need money
this is only my story, but don't forget man city saga that i think was just Berluskoni's media game:uhm::uhm:

[johncharles365]

if Kaka leaves than Berlusconi can leave with him why should us milan fans have to put up with Berlusconi politics and family business. He invested next to nothing after the 2007 victory in summer we got emerson and in December pato was eligible to play. He has lost his business brain to chase after young girls i cant believe him and his spoilt offspring. he was responsible for the calcio poli scandal at milan he was responsible for selling shevcenko and he is ultimately responsible for not upgrading the san siro and its facilities. I dont ask for more than 3 reasonable signings at each season but don't sell our best players and not replace the with players of equal or greater talent. Milan fans deserve more than 30 year old rejects and berlusconi favourite players. No wonder Ancelotti wanted to leave with a joke of owner like Berlusconi you ended the good times at Milan.

[GilAttack [11]]

I know I dont want to see Kaka elsewhere, but if it has to happen (and it will happen) he better go to Chelsea. I cant stand Real Madrid and Florentino Perez.

[sheva-gila]

My friend, I have, it seems, reached a breaking point.

With Carlo gone, Gorky lost, and NOTHING coming from the top brass as to plans for il marcato, it seems to me that the unraveling has begun.

I am tired of the reactive stance we seem to take, and the games we play in the media.

If Leonardo is to be given a chance to succeed, then we will need to hold on to our key players...

If Berlu had said something different when asked about the Kaka to Madrid story, then a lot of things would be different...

As it stands, his desultry comments re Carlo in retrospect were all part of the plan to "ease" his departure to Chelski...now this Madrid v Chelski tussle for me seems a bit too "convenient"...its as if Carlo and Galliani et al had worked this out during their final "dinner"...

I wouldnt be surprised if the conversation went like this:

Galliani: Ok, so who will you take from us to Chelski?
Carlo: Ah..well, Pirlo, Seedorf, and Kaka.

G: Kaka?
C: Did I stutter?

G: Well Madrid want him...
C: Dont worry, I will wait for Madrid to make a bid, then have Roman (you know I call him Roman now?) make a higher bid...that way, you come out like roses when you sell him for closer to what Man City bid before.

G: Sounds good to me...
C: Could you pass me the butter?

What I think (honestly) will happen, is that we end up selling Kaka, to either Madrid or Chelski, for a ton load of money. What we do with the money for me is secondary to us selling an icon of the club, a player who has indicated he wants to stay, and for what?

What ever the "grand scheme" is that Berlu is hatching, it better be good.

I have just run out of patience Geo. Plain and simple as that.

I dont even care what they do to my club anymore...I will still support, still cry FORZA MIIIIIIIILAN!!!! Still post on this site, still moderate, but something is gone from me.

Something that Barca, with their victory with beautiful football had rekindled...Hope, and belief.

Hope, and belief in the beautiful game, that the beautiful game can produce results, and that my side could produce this next term...that hope, that belief, is all but gone.


Milan siempre, Siempre Milan.


great post mate u made me cry believe me

[rosoneri_11]

Selling our best players is the worst thing even if you sign 2 young great players.
Remember when we sold Sheva?Untill now we a re a big **** in attack!
Remember this year when the team was playing without Kaka? We were a horrible team.

If we loose Kaka, our team will be in big crisis.
The sure is that the player don't want to leave us, the shame is that our managment is pushing him to go.
If i was in his position i would have gone and i would had said to Galiani and Berlu a BIG **** OFF!

But that guy Kaka is a great man and a great player, he still says i want to stay even if they want to sell me! He is great!
Many says that a player is not bigger than a team, its true i agree, but that guy Kaka is making me think if its not.

If Kaka leaves i don't know if i will be a Milan's fan if Berlu don't leave from the club.

[Arildonardo]

I don't know, but actually I'm starting to have a bad feeling about all this... I did not have a bad feeling regarding Manchester City, because they are a small club with no chance of competing for trophies in the near future and the best player in the world knows better than to go there.

Now it's Real Madrid (again), it's something else. Could it be that all these reports are false and from the same bogus source? I don't know... All I know is that I would be very sad to see Kaka leave. It will ruin our team and our chances to compete for trophies next season as he can't be replaced unless we spend more money than we (read: Berlusconi) have got, or are willing to spend.

[GeoTav]

Selling our best players is the worst thing even if you sign 2 young great players.
Remember when we sold Sheva?Untill now we a re a big **** in attack!
Remember this year when the team was playing without Kaka? We were a horrible team.

If we loose Kaka, our team will be in big crisis.
The sure is that the player don't want to leave us, the shame is that our managment is pushing him to go.
If i was in his position i would have gone and i would had said to Galiani and Berlu a BIG **** OFF!

But that guy Kaka is a great man and a great player, he still says i want to stay even if they want to sell me! He is great!
Many says that a player is not bigger than a team, its true i agree, but that guy Kaka is making me think if its not.

If Kaka leaves i don't know if i will be a Milan's fan if Berlu don't leave from the club.

And if Kaka' stays, what will you say ?
We have to use the conditionnal tenses for moment ...

[Arildonardo]

If Kaka leaves i don't know if i will be a Milan's fan if Berlu don't leave from the club.

My comment to this is that I will always be a Milan-fan and follow the club, no matter what. The club is after all bigger than any player. I love the club itself and not the money we spend or don't spend...

[Koeke]

he was responsible for the calcio poli scandal at milan he was responsible for selling shevcenko and he is ultimately responsible for not upgrading the san siro and its facilities.

I don't get management these days but we can't blame them for selling Sheva since he wanted to leave. I thought San Siro was owned by the city Milan or not?

[Koeke]

My comment to this is that I will always be a Milan-fan and follow the club, no matter what. The club is after all bigger than any player. I love the club itself and not the money we spend or don't spend...

I remain a fan aswel but selling our only star player who is on his peak is stupid. (If Kaka is really leaving).

[Hasan Rossonero]

I actually don't blame people for not wanting to support Milan anymore. I have no choice--I seem hardwired to do it. I have been supporting them since 1987.

But other people do have a point. If the owner does not care about this club, why should we? Do you honestly think Berlu will lose sleep if Kaka' leaves? We will, but he won't.

I rarely sound the death knell, but it was obvious since mid-May that Kaka' would be sold. That is why I have been so vehement about this whole thing.

Milan will now try and get Ronaldinho fit and play like we did in 2003 (he will be Rui Costa's replacement).

I agree with Warro--Kaka's departure will leave a huge void for me as a fan. It will also simultaneously confirm Milan and Serie A as third rate. The implications of this move are huge. A star will leave Serie A, and we will not invest the money on any player of note. We will use it to pay our debt. There is only one way out of this mess, and that is if Berlusconi just buzzes off (I am being kind with my words).

Please Berlusconi get lost!

We have to take this in stride because we are at the mercy of calculating men, who think about money first. These are dark days for Milan. We have sold our Messi, our C. Ronaldo--we have proven in the space of six hours that we don't keep our word and that we can be bullied by bigger clubs.

Berlusconi has just added to his reputation as a conniving, wretched crook. What an abomination. I lost count of how many times management allayed our fears of Kaka' leaving. He is our symbol. He will stay etc. They are inveterate liars.

They will just say Kaka' wanted to leave and we cannot compete with Spain and England. The sad truth is Galliani will go back to his mansion and Berlusconi to his. Our hopes will be dashed, time and time again.

[johncharles365]

to be honest i don't think shevchenko would have left if Milan were not match fixing, i don't complain about him leaving just the fact that Milan bought poor replacement for him. Milan have sold a whole host of talented players and haven't adequately replaced them the result was 5th place last year if we get rid of kaka a 5th repeat is highly likely, to be honest i think Berlusconi has lost his mind
The San Siro may be owned by the city but Milan can still do renovation work on the stadium. It isn't just the San Siro Milan have failed to be affective as a organisation not investing in promising business or talented personal. It may be drastic if Milan aren't able to modify and update the San Siro than what's the point of the stadium it will just turn into a relic it would better to have a new stadium.

[Hasan Rossonero]

to be honest i don't think shevchenko would have left if Milan were not match fixing, i don't complain about him leaving just the fact that Milan bought poor replacement for him. Milan have sold a whole host of talented players and haven't adequately replaced them the result was 5th place last year if we get rid of kaka a 5th repeat is highly likely, to be honest i think Berlusconi has lost his mind
The San Siro may be owned by the city but Milan can still do renovation work on the stadium. It isn't just the San Siro Milan have failed to be affective as a organisation not investing in promising business or talented personal. It may be drastic if Milan aren't able to modify and update the San Siro than what's the point of the stadium it will just turn into a relic it would better to have a new stadium.
Sheva told Milan he wanted to leave before Calciopoli.

[GeoTav]

to be honest i don't think shevchenko would have left if Milan were not match fixing, i don't complain about him leaving just the fact that Milan bought poor replacement for him. Milan have sold a whole host of talented players and haven't adequately replaced them the result was 5th place last year if we get rid of kaka a 5th repeat is highly likely, to be honest i think Berlusconi has lost his mind
The San Siro may be owned by the city but Milan can still do renovation work on the stadium. It isn't just the San Siro Milan have failed to be affective as a organisation not investing in promising business or talented personal. It may be drastic if Milan aren't able to modify and update the San Siro than what's the point of the stadium it will just turn into a relic it would better to have a new stadium.

The costs have to be shared by Inter and Milan and I remember some years ago, Milan wanted to make a totally new grass or something like that and Inter refused.

Anyway, you're all forgetting that Berlusconi (and just a little bit Galliani) brought the club where it is now. So when I read things like "get lost Berlu" (which is very polite compared to other things we can read !!), I'm just thinking that people have a very short-term memory.

Actually, I'm not too afraid for Serie A if Kaka' leaves but more if both Kaka' and Ibrahimovic leave ...

Saying we won't use that money to buy new players is false I think as we will surely use it more properly than the years before (don't forget that Leonardo, our best scout, will surely indicate which players buying as he just took the head of our team).

And to finish, why do people write to past tense about Kaka', he is still a Milan player until there is an official statement. I really believed he would leave last winter (even if I was writing here like if I was sure he was going to stay), and just remember what happened and the way it happened ... so I will wait for the official statement, not on newspapers websites, but only on ACM official website.

[Mati]

[QUOTE=Hasan Rossonero;532570]I actually don't blame people for not wanting to support Milan anymore.[/QUOTE
Such individuals cant be called supporters. Rough times, sure..but to stop supporting your club because club sold a player!? r they cheering for a player or a club?

[Hasan Rossonero]

The costs have to be shared by Inter and Milan and I remember some years ago, Milan wanted to make a totally new grass or something like that and Inter refused.

Anyway, you're all forgetting that Berlusconi (and just a little bit Galliani) brought the club where it is now. So when I read things like "get lost Berlu" (which is very polite compared to other things we can read !!), I'm just thinking that people have a very short-term memory.

Actually, I'm not too afraid for Serie A if Kaka' leaves but more if both Kaka' and Ibrahimovic leave ...

Saying we won't use that money to buy new players is false I think as we will surely use it more properly than the years before (don't forget that Leonardo, our best scout, will surely indicate which players buying as he just took the head of our team).

And to finish, why do people write to past tense about Kaka', he is still a Milan player until there is an official statement. I really believed he would leave last winter (even if I was writing here like if I was sure he was going to stay), and just remember what happened and the way it happened ... so I will wait for the official statement, not on newspapers websites, but only on ACM official website.

I think this is a sensible post. Honestly, if Berlusconi came out and clearly said that he will not invest, then I could applaud his sincerity and move on. However, the management has been effectively lying to use for so long now. "Kaka' will not be sold", "Kaka' is our symbol", "Kaka' for life" etc.

Then today happens. Kind of a disgusting way to go about things, don't you think?

[johncharles365]

I meant in a sense that shevchenko knew from a certain stage of the season that Milan were match fixing and as a result to gave him a strong reason to leave. there is no way that the players wouldn't have know about it i would struggle to play for club that undermined my ethics with corruption. You may be right in Thinking that Shevchenko wasn't as loyal to the club as kaka and gattuso and nesta etc.

[Hasan Rossonero]

@Mati

We have to remember that we have some younger posters on this forum. I have been supporting Milan since 1987 (when I was a wee lad), but some only since, let's say, 2001. And yes, some people do cheer for a player, like their compatriot for example.

The point is, this isn't an Istanbul, or a player wanting to leave etc. This is management systematically lying to their fans. If they can be capable of such treachery, why do they expect fans to be faithful?

[slifersd]

The costs have to be shared by Inter and Milan and I remember some years ago, Milan wanted to make a totally new grass or something like that and Inter refused.

Anyway, you're all forgetting that Berlusconi (and just a little bit Galliani) brought the club where it is now. So when I read things like "get lost Berlu" (which is very polite compared to other things we can read !!), I'm just thinking that people have a very short-term memory.



With all due respect, one can only live on his past glory for so long. Just because a leader made some great decisions in the past doesn't negate the fact that he has lost his mind in this day and age. Mao Zedong freed China from the Japanese but he still can't be excused for starting the Cultural Revolution.

[M.O.I.]

milan brought berlusconi to where he is too..this team is a burden for berlusconi for years now,the only reason that he doesnt sell acmilan is because of his vanity and his image..

"berlusconi brought milan to where it is" but enough is enough..that does not give him the right to destroy anything..he did it for himself when will u people realise it?

[Mati]

@Mati

We have to remember that we have some younger posters on this forum. I have been supporting Milan since 1987 (when I was a wee lad), but some only since, let's say, 2001. And yes, some people do cheer for a player, like their compatriot for example.

The point is, this isn't an Istanbul, or a player wanting to leave etc. This is management systematically lying to their fans. If they can be capable of such treachery, why do they expect fans to be faithful?



I always thought affection for the club plays some part. We r not soldiers of the management. i guess u r right when considering younger fans.but nevertheless its screwed up.

[kastriot]

This affects the club as a whole, even if the best scenario happens and Kaka stays, do you everything is going to be the same, What is he ROBOCOP? Dont you think this will affect his mental strength, he doesnt have feelings!! Two ****ing mercatos in a Row we are trying to sell him, we almost sold him to Man city fgs. I personaly dont think Kaka is capable of lying,so I think that he was honest when sais he wants to stay, but yet his forced out of the club.
Now tell me how is Pato supposed to feel?????? How do we lure a player like Hernanes after this debacle. In space of one week we sell Yoan and Kaka??? What ado you think goes through his mind right know!! If Kaka is for sale than anybody is!!??

This is terrible, after Man City saga everybody was praising berlu, how he manipulated the press...but there were some sensible posters who predicted this.

So anyways this time we loose, and we loose big. We loose our dignity, our prestige and we are loosing the symbol,the one who was supposed to replace Maldini.

[M.O.I.]

;532548']I know I dont want to see Kaka elsewhere, but if it has to happen (and it will happen) he better go to Chelsea. I cant stand Real Madrid and Florentino Perez.

personally i just hope he goes wherever his heart is..i dont care if silvio gets fewer money..and honestly i dont care if that means we'll have a lower budget..for some reason i feel kaka would prefer real to chelsea,would prefer football to abramovic..he is made of great material and i respect him a lot as a person..so just let him go where ever he prefers..

[Christian]

I can't believe some of you people. You're all acting like spoiled brats, 'I want that, and I want that' and if you don't get it you cry and moan. I don't want Kaka to leave anymore than anybody else does, but you people are ungrateful and disrespectful. Berlusconi may very well be a political animal, and his interest in Milan may very well have been for his own benifit, but the fact is that without Berlusconi we would at best be a semi-mediocre club being lucky if we won a scudetto every 20years. We would most likely be like Roma or Arsenal, or even worse a has-been club like Napoli or Nottingham Forrest. You people are acting like Berlusconi would sell Kaka and then put the money in his own pocket, well in case you didn't notice, Milan is a Football Club, Football clubs don't make profits.

I'm not saying don't object when something like a Kaka sale could happen, but at least do so with some respect and diginity. Don't act like spoiled brats. We're LUCKY that we have a sugar daddy that at least once pumped money into the club, they don't have that in Manchester United or Liverpool over there it IS strickly buisness.

[M.O.I.]

I can't believe some of you people. You're all acting like spoiled brats, 'I want that, and I want that' and if you don't get it you cry and moan. I don't want Kaka to leave anymore than anybody else does, but you people are ungrateful and disrespectful. Berlusconi may very well be a political animal, and his interest in Milan may very well have been for his own benifit, but the fact is that without Berlusconi we would at best be a semi-mediocre club being lucky if we won a scudetto every 20years. We would most likely be like Roma or Arsenal, or even worse a has-been club like Napoli or Nottingham Forrest. You people are acting like Berlusconi would sell Kaka and then put the money in his own pocket, well in case you didn't notice, Milan is a Football Club, Football clubs don't make profits.

I'm not saying don't object when something like a Kaka sale could happen, but at least do so with some respect and diginity. Don't act like spoiled brats. We're LUCKY that we have a sugar daddy that at least once pumped money into the club, they don't have that in Manchester United or Liverpool over there it IS strickly buisness.

omg!!i cant believe this..sugar daddy?
berlusconi owes all his political career and image to ac milan..
ok i cant even discuss it under these bases..
it has noth to do with kaka,it has to do with respect,dignity,honesty..
but ok we owe berlusconi our rebirth so let him f* up now..
so what?his is the POPE or the sugar daddy..

[johncharles365]

i Like old Berlusconi of the 80s and 90s but he has lost his mind now you have to admit that he forcing players on managers and is letting his children run the club. What the point of having his children they never built a business from scratch. Berlusconi is actually doing damage to the club i don't expect much Milan i don't want us to buying ronaldo and co but i do expect him not to sell our best players to cover debts created partially by him and his children. we need a committed owner who is working his arse off for the club not someone that blindly signs cheques. it very hard to respect a person that acts the Berlusconi does i wouldn't trust ever again and that is not because of kaka sale it is because of a multitude of elements. god he cheats on his wife with a 18 who calls him daddy wth

[GeoTav]

i Like old Berlusconi of the 80s and 90s but he has lost his mind now you have to admit that he forcing players on managers and is letting his children run the club. What the point of having his children they never built a business from scratch. Berlusconi is actually doing damage to the club i don't expect much Milan i don't want us to buying ronaldo and co but i do expect him not to sell our best players to cover debts created partially by him and his children. we need a committed owner who is working his arse off for the club not someone that blindly signs cheques. it very hard to respect a person that acts the Berlusconi does i wouldn't trust ever again and that is not because of kaka sale it is because of a multitude of elements. god he cheats on his wife with a 18 who calls him daddy wth

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Anyway, Christian was true about some reactions ... it's not the end of the world, and again, nothing was stated officially, so for moment, it's just like there was nothing ,especially when Kaka' is in Brazil and it also looks like his father (who is his agent) wasn't even in Madrid as noone, except AS and Marca could confirm that.

[Rossoneri Fuego]

this is a bunch of b.s. everybody go back to your buisness............

[jtelly]

I don't think Kaka' will leave. Leonardo is taking over, and he was the man that brought Kaka' to Milan's attention. Kaka' has stated he doesn't want to leave. That is the only concrete quote we have got from all this.
This has been a very hard period for us all; Maldini finally going, and some of the fans **** on him. Carlo leaving, and after all the conflict of should he stay/go, it seems strange he is finally gone. Our team seems in disarray-who will be our defense? Who will be our midfield? Who will be our offense? All areas need upgrading. I don't think this can happen in one year, two years, but maybe 3-4 we'll be in another positive cycle.

I told my wife I want to take a year off from the club-it's been over 22 years that I have supported Milan. She says be patient. Right now, it hurts alot all the things i've seen and read. But I know in July, come what may, I'll be watching and cheering. I'll be following the practices. I'll purchase a shirt (with Maldini as a reminder of his beautiful career). I don't care if we lose in the group stages of CL, or we finish 7th in serie A next year. I want to see a rebirth and rejuvenation of the club. I hope that Kaka' will be the centerpiece of this new team. If not, I hope someone else will. Alot of people need to go back to the 90's, when we were mid-table for many years. Look what we've accomplished in the years since.

Serie A is diminishing compared to England and Spain. But the next few years will bring new changes because of the credit crisis and recession. Things will be different. If the 6+5 goes into effect, it could bring a great advantage to many italian teams, that field mainly their own countrymen.

Forza Milan, siempre rossoneri. Grazie Maldini and everyone who has given their heart and soul to the team.

[Warro Bantan]

Its really a pleasure in times like this to have the fellowship of the forum...

Some posts have made me angry, some have made be introspective, while some have me rofl!!!

Thanks guys/gals...really appreciate ur input...all of it.

Bless.

[kawiki]

If Kaka does go to RM, and pirlo does go to Chelsea, then we have no playmaker left, except if Ronaldinho can shine once again.

If the money we got from selling our players (gorky, kaka, pirlo?) IS going to be used to buy new players, there are not many good playmakers around, if thera are, not all of them is available.

CR7 is not a playmaker. He's good, but he's not a playmaker.
Messi is a playmaker, but there is no way Barca gonna let him go.

Maybe fabregas?

[Rossoneri Fuego]

honestly everybody needs to relax you all forget how loyal kaka is...man that guy is a pure christian honest loyal and you can't buy him honestly... back in the middle of the year for a 150 mill euro's if that was me u can cutt my arm off...fact is he said just leave me alone...YESTERDAY ON HIS WAY TO BRASIL

[Brasileiro]

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Anyway, Christian was true about some reactions ... it's not the end of the world, and again, nothing was stated officially, so for moment, it's just like there was nothing ,especially when Kaka' is in Brazil and it also looks like his father (who is his agent) wasn't even in Madrid as noone, except AS and Marca could confirm that.
Unfortunly not, GeoTav.

ESPN Brazil(the most reliable sports channel here) and Globo(very reliable regarding Brazilian players) said afternoon in Brazil that Bosco Leite was in a meeting in Madrid. They found him there...and that Milan and Real Madrid had a agreeement. The only need Kaka aproval. Can´t remember the day these 2 channels miss a notice on a Brazilian player. Globo also was he channel that 3 weeks ago called Leonardo the new Milan coach in their prime time Journal.

Spanish sport press is a joke, and I never believed on them. But now, after I saw these 2 channels calling Kaká the new Real Madrid reinforcment, for the first time I´m concerned about Kaka´leaving. As I said in another thread, it will be the first time I see these 2 channels missing when the subject is a brazilian player. I hope they are wrong this time...

Sad days...

[Jeff]

Let's make a hypothetical scenario here: What's the incentive for selling Kaka` besides money really, and how does it really help Milan rebuild?

I just don't see it except for financial reason. Then what's next?

Or is it just another way for Berlusconi to gain more popularity, only to come out and say, "we are not selling him" something like that?

Jxx

[Gabriel489]

I am in the same mindset as Jeff here. Berlu had said nothing sofar, and quite frankly, this is just like Jan. Berlu will most likely come out and say, I stopped the deal-as Perez had used his friendship with Gallini to leverage a Kaka's transfer.....
Then all of us will be cheering for the great man Berlu and how he saves the day.....
And everyone will forget the fact that NOTHING HAD REALLY CHANGED. Kaka is still our player, Berlu is the boss, Galli is made to be a fool, RM hates us, Leo is the coach.....

The funny thing about all this is that fans here tends to always believe the press and the MGT when it comes to bad news, but when it is a good rumor, like Seedorf for Alex swap, we laughed at it and actually use our common sense to reject the rumor.

Here are some common sense on Kaka-Real or any other team

1. Kaka came out and said he is staying in Milan and that he does not want to leave
2. Leo is the new head coach, and I bet that no coach in the world will say I don't want Kaka on my team. Although Leo can probably discover another Kaka, but until someone like Kaka comes along, no point selling the REAL KAKA.
3. Galliani and Perez are friends, he might just be there for the party and even Kaka's dad might be invited as Perez wants Kaka. It is normal, I would do that if I am Perez too. Having said that do you think Perez is stupid enough to think that Berlu does not have the final say?
4. If Berlu wants to sell the club to the oil billionare from Middle East, will the club worth more with Kaka or without Kaka?
5. IF Berlu wants to keep the club, having Kaka can somehow ensure success but without Kaka, the team has a good chance to struggle. Keeping Kaka to play CL will have a higher chance winning the CL, the payoff is much higher than just selling Kaka now and crash out of CL next season. Having said that, if we crash out of CL next season, we might sell Kaka next summer.
6. The final say for all these Kaka transfer rumor comes down to two men, Kaka and Berlu. Kaka wants to stay and Berlu knows that selling Kaka means nothing.
7. Perez is no fool, I think all these Kaka stuff are just smoke screen for him to get Villa or Silva. As he can use 65Mil for Kaka as a point to leverage Valencia to lower Villa and Silva price. Since last time I check, I think Villa has a 55Mil price tag.

Conclusion, don't believe in what the media are telling you even if it is the most reliable source up to date, as they don't know the complete story.

As for Brasiliso, I am not trashing your source and all, but don't believe in them as ESPN is not that reliable too.

[kastriot]

And everyone will forget the fact that NOTHING HAD REALLY CHANGED. Kaka is still our player, Berlu is the boss, Galli is made to be a fool, RM hates us, Leo is the coach.....


Thats not true man, absolutely not true...as I wrote earlier after these two mercatos where Berlu is using Kaka name to make publicity, you think he will be indifferent!??? You think his ok with oll this saga and name dragging?? and one more think How is Pato feeling atm!!?? Why cant this be him after 2-3 years??

Imagine how hard is this one Kaka if he truly means and wants to stay in MIlan, and your telling me nothin has really changed!!

[Tony75]

If Kaka goes then I'll not support Milan till those 2 bald goons are gone, which considering their age should hopefully be soon.

[Snapster]

If Kaka goes then I'll not support Milan till those 2 bald goons are gone, which considering their age should hopefully be soon.

If Kaka goes then Berlu should just sell up because there is no reason other than money. First Sheva, now Kaka, it's just made us look pathetic.

[tardissun]

If Kaka goes then Berlu should just sell up because there is no reason other than money. First Sheva, now Kaka, it's just made us look pathetic.

Sheva wanted to leave, so that was a different situation.

If Kaka wants to leave, well, so be it. Milan takes the money and moves on.

But it appears that Kaka does not want to leave. If Milan mgmt forces him to accept the transfer then it will look bad on Milan.

Kaka is good friends with Sheva. He saw what happened to him and his career when he left Milan and I believe it's left a mark. On the other hand, he sees a guy like Maldini who has become a legend for staying his entire career. I think Kaka is a smart man and will not be blinded by money. *IF* Milan mgmt wants to keep him, he will choose to stay.

[kastriot]

If Kaka goes then Berlu should just sell up because there is no reason other than money. First Sheva, now Kaka, it's just made us look pathetic.

Thats whats idiotic here...If he wants money, just keep Kaka and sell the club the Arabs...Kaka in Real Madrid is worth 65 milion, but KAka in Milan is at least double that amount...So if arabs initial offer is 400 mil with Kaka in it...just do the math how much smaller the offer without Kaka will be, if they show interest in that case.

All this is so crap in every aspect, it doesnt make sense not in a single angle you try to see it...but Berlu is such a controversial figure I wont be surprised if he opts for selling.

And to think that elections are coming in Italy, this makes even less sense..

[Snapster]

Sheva wanted to leave, so that was a different situation.



Not entirely. The bids started before he came out and said he wanted to be sold. You don't see anyone bidding for Messi, no one was bidding for Ibra when he was at Juve. 5+ years ago, no one would bid for a player like that at Milan unless he was actually for sale.

The controversial pair at the top are playing with the devil, and making us look small by the messages we send out.

[payne]

am, i dont see why we just never sold kaka to madrid for 55 mil and ask for a player as well, like van der vaart, robben or sneijder.

[ACMILAN1983]

As Devoted DM posted in the other thread

" REAL MADRID PRESIDENCY: ADRIANO GALLIANI THE FIRST INVITED
6/2/2009
MILAN - Milan Delegate Administrator Adriano Galliani is in the city of Madrid exclusively for the dinner inaugurating Florentino Perez as the new Real Madrid president."

This suggests Galliani was correct in that he was in Madrid to celebrate Perez returning. More importantly, I doubt at the party negotiations for Kaka would be ongoing, if they were to negotiate, I would assume it would start properly now.

Quite honestly, I also doubt negotiations would be ongoing without Berlu being in the loop, as this isn't a small deal (it would be the biggest in football history).

I think we just need to calm down. Spanish press are going all out about this story, but they're about as reliable as my next door neighbour. The Italian and other press, are simply stating rumours, yet aren't providing any evidence as proof. The closest to us saying yes is Berlu saying he might have to sell Kaka. The press is saying Kaka has also said yes already, which I doubt considering what he asked to be quoted as saying yesterday morning.

Truth is, during the Man City saga everything looked like a done deal if the press was to be believed. In hindsight I don't think they really even got anywhere during negotiations and the likelihood of that deal taking place was extremely slim. This time things are moving at blistering pace and apparently it's a done deal. I'm not buying it. Until I see official confirmation on our side I don't see any point in giving it too much time.

[Maltese Charlie]

Let's make a hypothetical scenario here: What's the incentive for selling Kaka` besides money really, and how does it really help Milan rebuild?

I just don't see it except for financial reason. Then what's next?

Or is it just another way for Berlusconi to gain more popularity, only to come out and say, "we are not selling him" something like that?

Jxx

Jeff, for Hasan and me it was clear that most probably Kaka would be sold, and not because we are wizards, but by reflecting on the messages send by Berlusconi /Galliani on these last months.

By selling Kaka and other players like Pirlo is not only lots of cash money from the sales but also reducing the wages expenditure.
In fact Milan target for the coming season is to reduce the wages by 30%.
For me even the Ancelotti/Leonardo exchange was in this direction.

With the money from the sales and the wage reductions, Milan can buy good promising young players. After all that's the wish of many fans including this forum (not mine)

[johncharles365]

selling pato gourcuff pirlo and kaka is silly policy and the only reason is economic. milan would find it much more productive to sell seedorf oddo kalac dida and ronaldinho. plus sell at least of half the players of 50/50 contracts and 25% of players on loan. if you wanted to cut the wages of the team it is better to get the weakest players especially if they command a wage of 4 million euros+. look at the cost of selling shevchenko buying ronaldo and buying ricardo olive. the management think there are securing the long term future of milan what they are actually doing is destroying it. I could just about stomach kaka going but non of the other top stars should leave it is vital the management have completely lost their minds.

[Arildonardo]

The best for a top club like Milan economically is winning and you can't win anything when your top players are Favalli, Cardacio and Borriello... Keeping Kaka would be a lot cheaper than replacing him, because there's not one single player that can replace him. If we're serious about competing for CL and Serie A then we have no star-players to lose, at least not when they really want to stay themselves.

[johncharles365]

besides some one like kaka probably earns milan 40 a season through tshirt sells and sponsoship he earns every euro of his wage. it player like seedorf and dida who aren't pulling their weight. use the cash to rebuild the team who is Milan going to buy with real and man city picking up every player plus the 2 non eu restriction on players. it crazy economically it crazy in terms of gaining new revenues and it crazy in terms of Milan of gaining future sporting successes. Pep had the vision to get rid of the dead wood in barcelona leonardo is getting rid of our versions of messi and eto. to be straight forward kaka season has been average in terms of quality he still deserve to be a milan players instead of seedorf and co.

[Rico]

If Kaka goes then I'll not support Milan till those 2 bald goons are gone, which considering their age should hopefully be soon.
You have to be kidding me? You want them to die? When they will die is not up to you, it's up to God.

[hitmannq8]

I dont think he's leaving, not at all!

[MVBasten]

If Kaka goes then I'll not support Milan till those 2 bald goons are gone, which considering their age should hopefully be soon.

I guess it might be for the best that Kaka leaves, so we can filter out who are the real Milan supporters, through thick and thin, and who's just been along for the ride when the same "bald goons" led the team to regular trophies. It's okay to disagree with choices the management take, the choices the coach makes etc, but at the end of the day you are either supporting the club or you're not. If you find yourself getting to bed and not supporting the team anymore, you might as well just find yourself a new club.

MILAN PER SEMPRE!

[Gabriel489]

Thats not true man, absolutely not true...as I wrote earlier after these two mercatos where Berlu is using Kaka name to make publicity, you think he will be indifferent!??? You think his ok with oll this saga and name dragging?? and one more think How is Pato feeling atm!!?? Why cant this be him after 2-3 years??

Imagine how hard is this one Kaka if he truly means and wants to stay in MIlan, and your telling me nothin has really changed!!

So, whats your point man?

First off, nobody knows exactly what happened during Jan and what is happening now.
Mayb Kaka and Berlu are in these all together.

My point about NOTHING HAD REALLY CHANGED meant there is no addition or subtraction from the club. But we all cheer like we signed a huge star or won the CL.

[GeoTav]

Go on the first page of the official ACM website ... now don't be afraid too quickly, I mean, just the first page, with the flags on top.

You see the advert for our new Shirt with Seedorf, Kaka' and Maldini.

It's weird because Seedorf is rumoured to want to leave, Kaka' is rumoured to be near Madrid, and Maldini retired ... so it would be the most stupid advert I've ever seen if they all leave !! :D

[Gabriel489]

I guess it might be for the best that Kaka leaves, so we can filter out who are the real Milan supporters, through thick and thin, and who's just been along for the ride when the same "bald goons" led the team to regular trophies. It's okay to disagree with choices the management take, the choices the coach makes etc, but at the end of the day you are either supporting the club or you're not. If you find yourself getting to bed and not supporting the team anymore, you might as well just find yourself a new club.

MILAN PER SEMPRE!

Thats a harsh statement. TO be honest, we are not really lighting the league and CL on fire over the past few years. I doubt there are a few or even any glory hunters here as we are not ManU or Inter or even Barcelona.
I can see how fans will be disappoint about this and if Kaka leaves....but the truth is that, don't believe the press nomatter how reliable they are, on top of that Galliani and CO always lie to the fans.
Finally, I don't think Berlu will sell Kaka now as someone mentioned his election is coming up, pls someone chk that. He will look really bad about selling someone like Kaka now.
One more thing, if Berlu is serious about selling the club, having Kaka here is worth at least 150M more than without Kaka.

As to the question about why there is no rumors about Messi, or Ibra or even Gerrard.....The truth is that Barcelona just won the treble, nobody will believe Messi wants to leave now. As for Ibra, I thought two days ago, the Spainish press stated that he is almost a Barcelona player. I guess that story did not sell as much as they expected. Lastly, Gerrard, despite he is great and all, I still think he lacks that SUPERSTAR quality like Messi, CR7...

Stop worrying about Kaka, as he is really staying. Just remember that our MGT loves to play these mind games with the media to get attentions.

[Gabriel489]

Go on the first page of the official ACM website ... now don't be afraid too quickly, I mean, just the first page, with the flags on top.

You see the advert for our new Shirt with Seedorf, Kaka' and Maldini.

It's weird because Seedorf is rumoured to want to leave, Kaka' is rumoured to be near Madrid, and Maldini retired ... so it would be the most stupid advert I've ever seen if they all leave !! :D

Damn it, I thought Seedorf is leaving, oh man, I guess Perez just did not want to spend 65Mil+Robben+ Snejder on him afterall.

I will bet that at the end of this, Berlu will come out and say, Perez wants Kaka but we want Ramos....

[GeoTav]

Thats a harsh statement. TO be honest, we are not really lighting the league and CL on fire over the past few years. I doubt there are a few or even any glory hunters here as we are not ManU or Inter or even Barcelona.
I can see how fans will be disappoint about this and if Kaka leaves....but the truth is that, don't believe the press nomatter how reliable they are, on top of that Galliani and CO always lie to the fans.
Finally, I don't think Berlu will sell Kaka now as someone mentioned his election is coming up, pls someone chk that. He will look really bad about selling someone like Kaka now.
One more thing, if Berlu is serious about selling the club, having Kaka here is worth at least 150M more than without Kaka.

As to the question about why there is no rumors about Messi, or Ibra or even Gerrard.....The truth is that Barcelona just won the treble, nobody will believe Messi wants to leave now. As for Ibra, I thought two days ago, the Spainish press stated that he is almost a Barcelona player. I guess that story did not sell as much as they expected. Lastly, Gerrard, despite he is great and all, I still think he lacks that SUPERSTAR quality like Messi, CR7...

Stop worrying about Kaka, as he is really staying. Just remember that our MGT loves to play these mind games with the media to get attentions.

It looks like Ibrahimovic's agent complained for his player ... it looks even more serious than this story about Kaka', but Ibrahimovic is simply not a superstar player, he is a star, but not the superstar everyone speak about in medias.

I think that there are only 3 stories in Europe that could lead the medias to speak about that all the time: Kaka' leaving , Messi leaving, C.Ronaldo leaving.

For Kaka', medias made up a lot of stories, when you watch TV or several websites, they use Spanish press as their source, but they never report when Kaka' says he wants to stay for example (in France anyway, that works like that, many TV shows said that Kaka' was going to leave, according to Spanish press, whereas they never mentionned that Kaka' said the same day "I want to stay").

I think that the day Messi will leave will make a lot less noise because he looks very shy and won't come in medias to say anything I think. So actually, that lets us with only one last story.

The arrogant C.Ronaldo is the best story for medias because he speaks a lot and contradicts himself sometimes ...

[Gabriel489]

Not sure about the French Media, but over here in HK, where I can get HK, Britain and China media.
They just quote one another.....and the primary source, you guess it, Spain.
To me, I won't worry about it till it is on the AC MIlan website.

Alot of you here stated that so and so source is reliable b/c they predicted Carlo will be going to Chelsea and Leo is taking over.... The fact is, those two are pretty obvious and we don't need these so call source to tell us that. Anyone who had been following ITalian football knows that.

[ringhio72]

It's always the same with those brazilian players. They have no pride and do everything for money. It's the same old story like Ronaldinho did it with Barcelona or like Diego did it with Werder Bremen. And with Kakà it's the same: The only reason he's leaving is M-O-N-E-Y. He isn't a saint, he's a mercenary.

http://i39.tinypic.com/2s1uhlj.jpg

[M.O.I.]

It's always the same with those brazilian players. They have no pride and do everything for money. It's the same old story like Ronaldinho did it with Barcelona or like Diego did it with Werder Bremen. And with Kakà it's the same: The only reason he's leaving is M-O-N-E-Y. He isn't a saint, he's a mercenary.

http://i39.tinypic.com/2s1uhlj.jpg

Thats not fair mate..if it was about the money,he would have left 4 months ago when city gave him much more than milan did,and more than real is offering him now..

i think his desire is to stay..but he has some pride and ego you know..its not easy when they sell you twice in 4 months,you feel unwanted..

[Iggy]

On the gazzetta website we're linked to Amauri. Juve might want to trade Trezeguet for Borriello (excuse me if im reading it wrong, italian is not my first or second language) :)

[rinogattuso]

It's always the same with those brazilian players. They have no pride and do everything for money. It's the same old story like Ronaldinho did it with Barcelona or like Diego did it with Werder Bremen. And with Kakà it's the same: The only reason he's leaving is M-O-N-E-Y. He isn't a saint, he's a mercenary.

http://i39.tinypic.com/2s1uhlj.jpg

Kaka has salary in Milan 8.5 milion by season!! Real ofering a 9 mil not a big diference..

Where is Leonardo in this story..what is he thinking,is he had a bles on this to sell Kaka or he had some plans to by 3-4 player for new Milan wtf is this..can he be worse than C.A. OH Yes he CAN!!!

[Gabriel489]

Thanks Iggy, those are much more positive rumors. Now I think all of us must surely be on panic mode now.
Kaka is leaving, Amauri is coming, Trez for Borriello and most importantly, SEEDORF IS STAYING>>>>>>>

[Gabriel489]

Kaka has salary in Milan 8.5 milion by season!! Real ofering a 9 mil not a big diference..

Where is Leonardo in this story..what is he thinking,is he had a bles on this to sell Kaka or he had some plans to by 3-4 player for new Milan wtf is this..can he be worse than C.A. OH Yes he CAN!!!


I think Carlo is saying, thank god is not my problem

[M.O.I.]

Kaka has salary in Milan 8.5 milion by season!! Real ofering a 9 mil not a big diference..

Where is Leonardo in this story..what is he thinking,is he had a bles on this to sell Kaka or he had some plans to by 3-4 player for new Milan wtf is this..can he be worse than C.A. OH Yes he CAN!!!

yes but taxes in italy for footballers are 50%,whereas in spain are 25%..galliani said those numbers 2 years ago..and he said thats the gr8st reason why we cannot compete english or spanish teams..if im not wrong,it was about henry..

[ringhio72]

Thats not fair mate..if it was about the money,he would have left 4 months ago when city gave him much more than miln did,and more than real is offering now..

So explain me why at every single Mercato his father is always in contact with Chelsea, Real and others? A little bit strange habits for a player who is SO HAPPY AND PROUD to be at Milan and who WILL NEVER LEAVE Milan!!! Look at SuperPippo, Inzaghi has said he'll stay and since that day we have never had rumours, same for Pirlo and others. But with Kakà that's not so. After every single Mercato we have to give him a better contract and we have to pay him more money or he blackmail us to leave. That's the truth! Kakà is pretending to be a little saint and nice guy. But the face behind that mask is the face of a mercenary.

[Gabriel489]

Those figures are after Tax btw.

[M.O.I.]

So explain me why at every single Mercato his father is always in contact with Chelsea, Real and others? A little bit strange habits for a player who is SO HAPPY AND PROUD to be at Milan and who WILL NEVER LEAVE Milan!!! Look at SuperPippo, Inzaghi has said he'll stay and since that day we have never had rumours, same for Pirlo and others. But with Kakà that's not so. After every single Mercato we have to give him a better contract and we have to pay him more money or he blackmail us to leave. That's the truth! Kakà is pretending to be a little saint and nice guy. But the face behind that mask is the face of a mercenary.

you were saying that money is the only reason kaka is leaving..
and i ve edited a part in my answer about why do i think he is leaving..

[ringhio72]

you were saying that money is the only reason kaka is leaving..
and i ve edited a part in my answer about why do i think he is leaving..

It isn't the Club, it isn't Berlusconi, it isn't Galliani who will sell Kakà. It isn't Kakà who will leave. The truth is: the bad guy in this story is the father of Kakà. In brazilian families the father is the capo of the family and they have to obey. It is the same story with Diego. He wouldn't leave Bremen, he wouldn't signe in Turin. But he has to do what his father want. And his father is greedy. Unfortunately for Milan the father of Kakà is the same type of greedy bastard like the father of Diego.

[Peachtot]

Thanks Iggy, those are much more positive rumors. Now I think all of us must surely be on panic mode now.
Kaka is leaving, Amauri is coming, Trez for Borriello and most importantly, SEEDORF IS STAYING>>>>>>>

so our transfer this season gonna be :

best transfer : Kaka remains in milan
worst transfer : Seedorf is staying

:grinser:

[mrki]

Ultras ask Berlusconi to sell Milan and say Kaka doesnt want to leave buy is being sold...

More, Milan is to sell PAto :)

[GeoTav]

It's always the same with those brazilian players. They have no pride and do everything for money. It's the same old story like Ronaldinho did it with Barcelona or like Diego did it with Werder Bremen. And with Kakà it's the same: The only reason he's leaving is M-O-N-E-Y. He isn't a saint, he's a mercenary.

What is not fair is the part in bold and especially what I underlined ...
It's even shocking because it's almost some kind of racism !!

About your examples:
- Ronaldinho left Barcelona because Barcelona put him on the market, nothing else.
- Diego was in a good team (Werder) but not a top team, whereas Juventus was a top team and seems to have some kind of project to be back at top ...

From what you say, every player in the world (no matter his nationality) has no pride and only plays for money as except guys like Maldini, 99% of players in big clubs come from a smaller club where they earned less money.

[rinogattuso]

Ultras ask Berlusconi to sell Milan and say Kaka doesnt want to leave buy is being sold...

More, Milan is to sell PAto :)

Oh yes..Man City is ready to offer 50 milion euros for PATO!!It is almost official offer from Arabs..

[ACMILAN1983]

So, whats your point man?

First off, nobody knows exactly what happened during Jan and what is happening now.
Mayb Kaka and Berlu are in these all together.

My point about NOTHING HAD REALLY CHANGED meant there is no addition or subtraction from the club. But we all cheer like we signed a huge star or won the CL.

As I said in the other thread, I'm feeling more and more confident that Berlu is pulling a publicity stunt. If I'm honest, I can imagine Kaka is possibly in on it too. From a business perspective, he gains more value as a player everytime these deals are cancelled, his personal publicity goes through the roof and he gets recognised as an even greater hero in Milan. He honestly has nothing to lose in this. We know full well that his team (Bosco et al) have negotiated his contract repeatedly in the past everytime he was linked with a move away (who is to say that they weren't just looking for a better contract) and now they could well be cementing their position, whilst raising his profile infinitely.

I reckon for a couple of days things will remain very heated and the pressure will be on, then it'll be confirmed the deal has been cancelled with Berlu and Kaka looking like heroes once again.

[Rico]

Kaka has nothing to lose?? He has a lot to lose. If Kaka goes to Real Madrid he will be remembered as a big star that played and succeeded personally and in terms of winning big trophies. If he stays for the rest of his career, becomes captain and serves us with more trophies he will be remembered as a legend.

So yes, he has a lot to lose.

[brk]

Rico, I don't think you understood his point.

Dev is saying that by letting this charade play out naturally Kaka will have increased his profile, probably negotiate a better contract with Milan and end up looking like a hero for staying; Berlusconi too.

By the way, you sound like a girl.

[Rico]

Yes, the world is at a stage now where expressing love in full sentences is only reserved to girls and 'a man needs to be a man'. When in reality the true men express their love.

[Aficio]

Oh, what a transfer rumor!

At this time, I'm still sad about the absent of Captain. Kaka's saga doesn't make any sense to me.

I'm trying to be calm and waiting for the beginning of next season. It is Milan, anyway.

[Hasan Rossonero]

Yes, the world is at a stage now where expressing love in full sentences is only reserved to girls and 'a man needs to be a man'. When in reality the true men express their love.

Seriously, who is this guy?

You can't script this stuff.

:ilol:

[Gabriel489]

Could he be our favor, GianCarlo....

For real, I cannot agree with Dev more on this, Kaka will be staying. Berlu will once again be interview by that TV show and tell them that Kaka is staying but this time, that old man will have a real heart attack. Then Berlu and Kaka will know that, well, maybe we should stop from now on....

I cannot believe Seedorf is staying, damn it, can someone like Real or Man City just table an offer for Seedorf and Kaladze, they are much cheaper.

[Vulli]

I hope that very soon Berlusconi will declare: if you want KAKA stay then we should sell 40% of Milan to the arabs, I think this is his plan.
Because Berluskoni knows that if he sell 40% of club then fans will not react very well, so he will use Kaka as a justification for selling the 40% club :guw:

this is what I dreamed last night I hope this will be true:tired:

[Warro Bantan]

The silence from Milan is quite disconcerting.

Not reassuring, and I am still quite sure, that, this time, he is gone.

Ah well.

[Gabriel489]

Warro, what is happening to you? R u okay?

[Acmir^]

Warro, come on man Kaka won't be sold trust me, i phoned Silvio just now he told me he's having a laugh in fooling all of us to believe that Kaka will be sold:D
Just chill everybody you'll see in the end everything will come out good. Even if he leaves (which he will not) it's not the end of the world, the armagedon, there are plenty fish in the sea, maybe not as good as him but hell we'll find ourselves a new Kaka.:u125:

[Gabriel489]

FROM AC MILAN.com

MILAN - Milan Delegate Administrator Adriano Galliani is in the city of Madrid exclusively for the dinner inaugurating Florentino Perez as the new Real Madrid president.

[bLOND !-,-!]

that's from yesterday

[Gabriel489]

Really, sorry, don't really go there much

[johncharles365]

berlusconi and galliani are taking complete advantage over the new manager reports are coming in that Milan are goin to sell pirlo pato and gattuso.
it looks like milan are going to lose pirlo kaka pato gattuso seedorf janku dida oddo inzargi abate and paloshci. i may far-fetched but news site i read suggest 2 or 3 of these players are leaving each being mentioned as a transfer possibility. looks like the first team is going to be unrecognisable next season welcome to leonardo ac milan team bet you miss ancelotti now

[Arildonardo]

I'm pretty sure any decisions to sell our stars aren't taken by Leonardo. He's an intelligent man, and I doubt he would take a job at a club that is about to "close down business"... Hopefully...

Still crossing fingers for Kaka, Pirlo, Pato, Gattuso to stay. Or else:
:510:

[mrki]

Its disgusting to see all this greed! What are they talking about?? 60mln in red? It doesnt need to be compensated in SALES!! Milan has tv money,commercials, tickest etc.

We sold Yoan, we can sell Seedorf, Pirlo, Oddo... its realistic. But we want to sell them ALL and make 150mln and invest 60-70...for a NEW TEAM?? A new team without class players.

Its all comical. Just sell all the players, take the money and then sell Milan. Its the plan anyway. Tipical individual money making industry.

Did you forget how much money Berlusconi posseses?? It seems like people think we are Parma suddenly! We didnt sell him for 100mln and now we are selling him for less coz of "our" friendship with Perez? WTF is that? Fine, take your personal money and get the **** out of Milan. I dont care about the past, Milan is being ruined. You can fool yourselves as much as you can. But when we sell our ass twice in 4 years with out bandieras we are not top club anymore. **** this, its disgsting behaviour.

We have no money...hahahaha!

[Rick]

The silence from Milan is quite disconcerting.

Not reassuring, and I am still quite sure, that, this time, he is gone.

Ah well.

Kaka isn't going anywhere. He's just come out and said "for the last time" that he isn't going anywhere and asked to be left alone about it. Silvio is not about to make himself look like a fool and a bad guy by selling Kaka out from under the noses of the fans who adore him for 60% of what Manchester City was offering only a few months ago -- especially after playing the hero by coming in and claiming that he put an end to the negotiations (which apparently weren't very far along anyway). If Silvio sells Kaka now, it makes him look like an idiot to Milan fans and to the Italian public in general (i.e., voters). They're just enjoying the publicity and again Silvio will pull something to try to make himself look good. As for the silence, if they answered everything that was asked about the situation, they'd have no time for anything else (and if they sounded too firm about it, they might risk putting an end to the media circus that Silvio so dearly loves). .

[bLOND !-,-!]

Kaka isn't going anywhere. He's just come out and said "for the last time" that he isn't going anywhere and asked to be left alone about it. Silvio is not about to make himself look like a fool and a bad guy by selling Kaka out from under the noses of the fans who adore him for 60% of what Manchester City was offering only a few months ago -- especially after playing the hero by coming in and claiming that he put an end to the negotiations (which apparently weren't very far along anyway). If Silvio sells Kaka now, it makes him look like an idiot to Milan fans and to the Italian public in general (i.e., voters). They're just enjoying the publicity and again Silvio will pull something to try to make himself look good. As for the silence, if they answered everything that was asked about the situation, they'd have no time for anything else (and if they sounded too firm about it, they might risk putting an end to the media circus that Silvio so dearly loves). .

totally agree,
berlu is a smart politician and buisness man

['The Bulldog']

Hey guys, its been awhile since I've made a post....but I can't believe this saga going on with Kaka.

How can these two twits 'galliani and berlusconi' consider or even contemplate selling kaka to Real Madrid. They have certaintly lost the plot, causing suffering to the club and its supporters!. HOW CAN THE BEST CLUB IN HISTORY SELL ITS BEST PLAYER AND FUTURE CAPTAIN OF THE CLUB to these spanish ****s!! This will only be a detriment to his career!

What is so stupid about the whole thing is, if management wanted or have been considering selling him, or kaka's father has been influencing him to leave for more cash, why didn't they go ahead with the offer from Man City's? They are now considering a offer from Real Madrid far less then Man City's! I know it finally came down to kaka's decision to stay, god bless him for doing so!! But selling him now for far less then Man city's offer is really dumb!! Obviously smart business is getting the most $$$ you can from your star players.

Although none of us know the full story behind whether kaka wants to stay or leave milan, or his being pushed by his father or galliani and berlusconi needs the cash. I THINK ITS RIDCULOUS AND UTTER STUPIDITY TO CONSIDER SELLING HIM TO ANY CLUB NO MATTER WHAT CASH THEY OFFER. END OF STORY.

[Rossoneri Fuego]

As reported yesterday, media sources from Spain and England claim that Chelsea have bid 80 million Euros and Real Madrid 65 million Euros (plus some players) for AC Milan attacking midfielder Kaka (who does not want to switch clubs). Today's update comes from Milan : Apparently, AC Milan boss Silvio Berlusconi would agree to sell the Brazilian ace for no less than 80 million Euros. Moreover, Berlusconi and Bosco Leite (Kaka's father and agent) have decided to prioritize Real Madrid over Chelsea (even though Roman Abramovich has allegedly proposed that exact amount). For the time being, they both want to wait and see if the Spanish club will bid higher without proposing any of their players (for example Sneijder) in the deal. In the meantime, this strategic move could also force Chelsea to bid more than 80 millions. In short, Berlusconi would accept a minimum of 80 millions or more from Real Madrid, while Leite wants a higher salary for his son (i.e. more than 9 millions per year). The "waiting game" and strategic moves continue.

www.transfermarketweb.com

Relax

[Rick]

totally agree,
berlu is a smart politician and buisness man

Exactly. And it's not as though the man is a pauper. If Milan's debt were really serious, Silvio could write a check to cover it without blinking an eye. He and Uncle Fester are addicted to the publicity and they like to play mind games by making the situation appear different from the reality. Plus, I should have added that having Leonardo as the new coach is a strong factor as well. It was Leonardo who brought Kaka to Milan and who has been his mentor. There is simply no logic in any of the nonsense being printed about Kaka going to Real Madrid or Chelsea or anywhere else. It's just crap made up by the Spanish papers, latched onto by other sensationalist European media and taken advantage of by Silvio and Uncle Fester for their own purposes.

[bLOND !-,-!]

and i can already see the end....
berlu will be interviewed like he is jesus, and then he will say that real madrid didn't offer 80 milions or more, and then kaka's father will say that he doesn't agree with salary kaka would get in chelsea....
so again berlu will must say that kaka stays in milan

again, this is just a game played by berlusconi ;)

[Reza]

Good business man?
If he sells the value of his investment falls.
If it is only mind games he has angered many...zero financial gain in that except a temporary bump in his media (tv, etc.) ratings may be.
If it is orchestrated to make him out to be hero...how many times people fall for that?

This is the first time ever I am posting this--->you guys are over rating Berlusconi

['The Bulldog']

Just adding to what I've mention in regards to kaka's situation....

With Leonardo in and next season's automatic qualification into CL...this club looked like turning the corner, but now with this kaka saga and continous stupidity from our management, we just don't need this anymore!!

If we had any decent management within this club, we could or we should be making some smart transfers to bolster our deficiencies. For starts, offloading seedorf, favalli, kaladze, sheva, ambrosini etc and recouping some $$$ to go after santacroce, hernanes, amauri etc. Berlusconi has the cash to go after these top class players, his being a tight a**!! The club needs to get rid of this old-school management mentality and bring in some highly intelligent club operators where they can generate huge amounts of cash from merchandising and marketing like for example Man utd has successfully done over the years. This club doesn't deserve to be managed in such a poor state of affairs....

[Hasan Rossonero]

A spokesman for the Brazil national team has said that Kaka' does not want to say anything regarding the rumours. He just wants the parties to sort it out.

He also said that "Kaka' is still a Milan player."

tgcom

[MiamiMilanista]

Daily Mail has Chelsea offering £45m for Pato. Am I missing something here???

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1190568/Chelsea-undeterred-45m-Alexandre-Pato-pursuit-despite-commitment-AC-Milan-cause.html

[Kui]

LOL! For one thing all this is out of our control. We did take part in wanting a big change. Seriously... Are you guys surprised only now!
The question that lies before all of you... "Does this club have your support?".
If this whole thing is beginning to cause ulcers, graying or balding of the hair, destroyed household items and what not; the problem might not be with AC Milan the club. In situations where we have no control, its best to step back from it all and witness these time from afar. No use fretting over it.

[Reza]

Kui, me and most of course are not giving up on the club, just difficult to watch it being run like this. I am and will be calm.

[Kui]

Kui, me and most of course are not giving up on the club, just difficult to watch it being run like this. I am and will be calm.

I know you will be calm. LOL! You're Reza... synonymous for CALM. :u125:

[Hasan Rossonero]

30 fans are protesting in Milan, outside where Galliani is supposed to be.

tgcom

[Kui]

The silence from Milan is quite disconcerting.

Not reassuring, and I am still quite sure, that, this time, he is gone.

Ah well.

I should have come here in this thread first. Stated this concern in the KAka thread.
Whatya goin da do? Forgitaboutit.

['The Bulldog']

There is a report on goal.com (I know they are not a credible source....far from it!) but milan are preparing to make a bid for Juan Albin from Getafe, and we will offer Mathias Cardacio and Tabare Viudez in exchange...

I'm not familiar with Juan Albin, does anyone know much about him and is it worth going ahead with???

[Rick]

Good business man?
If he sells the value of his investment falls.
If it is only mind games he has angered many...zero financial gain in that except a temporary bump in his media (tv, etc.) ratings may be.
If it is orchestrated to make him out to be hero...how many times people fall for that?

This is the first time ever I am posting this--->you guys are over rating Berlusconi

It's not a matter of overrating him. It's a matter of understanding what a power-hungry, narcissistic egomaniac he really is. He's made his billions of dollars and achieved the political power he has through constant manipulation. He understands the value of publicity. The main reason he bought Milan in the first place was because he knew he could use the club's fame and popularity to boost his media empire. He's addicted to publicity. This is all going to end, again, with Silvio playing the heroic father figure in an attempt to polish his image with the gullible masses. Wait and see.

[mrki]

30 fans are protesting in Milan, outside where Galliani is supposed to be.

tgcom

ultras gone mad, all 30 of them...(????)

We shouldnt sell ANYONE unless we think someone is not good enough to play in Milan, and we should buy 3,4 good players. That is how it should be in Milan. I do not accept anything less and I dont care.

Berlusconi has 10bln euros... and we sell our players. Playing hero etc is a normal thing, but he obviousely isnt investing anymore as he used to. And lets not forget that Berlusconi wanted to buy Inter first and then he was told to take a walk and he bought Milan. Im not saying he doesnt love Milan, Im saying he loves money more.

[rinogattuso]

Those Ultras are went home about 20 minuts ago..evrything is going under..

[mrki]

"Do not sell Kakà and Galliani sell your son" hahahaha!

And Milan has no ultras anymore since Fossa fell apart.

[Rick]

There is a report on goal.com (I know they are not a credible source....far from it!) but milan are preparing to make a bid for Juan Albin from Getafe, and we will offer Mathias Cardacio and Tabare Viudez in exchange...

I'm not familiar with Juan Albin, does anyone know much about him and is it worth going ahead with???

Can't say I've seen much of him, but apparently he's done quite well at Getafe. I read an interview with him recently where he said he believed he was ready to play for a "big club." But he also said he would prefer to stay in Spain because of the language. Interesting idea, though, especially if Milan isn't confident that Cardacio and Viudez can develop as they had envisioned.

[Mystik]

I should have come here in this thread first. Stated this concern in the KAka thread.
Whatya goin da do? Forgitaboutit.
Then what's the point of the forum then? Might as well forget about football on the whole and just live our lives as if football didn't exist.

[Blacktop]

it looks like milan are going to lose pirlo kaka pato gattuso seedorf janku dida oddo inzargi abate and paloshci. i may far-fetched but news site i read suggest 2 or 3 of these players are leaving each being mentioned as a transfer possibility. looks like the first team is going to be unrecognisable next season welcome to leonardo ac milan team bet you miss ancelotti now

Utter nonsense.

[Rico]

Gattuso will never leave Milan. Never. He is the fire and soul of this club. He goes to the pitch like it's the most important thing in his life.

Change is not bad. Change can be good. We need to get rid of our too old players and say hi to some new young players.

[nefremo]

This whole saga didn't just start yesterday. My belief is that it started back in January when the transfer to Man City fell apart. Back then there were rumors that the transfer fell apart because Kaka was going to wait for Madrid in the summer. Back then it looked like it was only stupid rumors but it certainly seems like it was true now......because Galliani and Kotcho wasted no time to get negotiations under way with Perez.

If Kaka does go to Real.....then I wouldn't be so fast to jump on Galliani and Berlusconi's backs. If the transfer happens then no matter how mad you are at the menagement......common sense is that Kaka and his father(who I think is very sneaky because he was in Madrid together with Galliani) knew all along since January that Madrid will come in with an offer and the move will be completed. I will trully believe that Kaka and Kotcho actually DID wait for Madrid and the rumors were true in January.

Having said all that......it still isn't an excuse for the menagement to do what they are doing. After all....they could have just rejected the offer and THE END, saga is over. They might be even the ones that started everything by accepting the City offer in the first place which was a start that meant Kaka is not nontransferable.

Lastly....The reported offer coming from Chelsea is not connected to January (Madrid's is in my opinion), but it is an offer coming from a man that would do everything to win the CL....and therefore get anything for a coach that he believes will bring him the CL (Carlo).

I am trying to be reasonable here......and I love Milan and not Kaka, although I respect the Brazilian for everything he has done for this club. So if Kaka is sold then so be it........BUT then I expect that we invest and make this club powerful again.
This is the way I am thinking about it.......what good is Kaka staying if we won't invest in other players and then fail again next year. One player doesn't make a winning team and we've witnessed that. Kaka in the club is not enough if we don't give him a winning team around him.
So keeping Kaka and not properly reinforcing is pointless in my opinion. But if it means that the sell of Kaka will give us 3 great players to rebuild then it is not so bad. I want us to win.....and I don't really care who we do it with.

[MiamiMilanista]

Gattuso will never leave Milan. Never. He is the fire and soul of this club. He goes to the pitch like it's the most important thing in his life.

Change is not bad. Change can be good. We need to get rid of our too old players and say hi to some new young players.

I agree very much so. I watched 38 games this season in which 11 guys walked around the pitch like it was lunch in the park. I wouldn't mind an overhaul of the squad and seeing a flowing team again. Lets be realistic, several games this season were DREADFULLY PAINFUL.

Kaka has been one of my favorites, as well as Maldini. But are we saying that without either of them we have no chance at any titles? Do we just stop watching because our favorite player is gone? I want Kaka to get the armband and carry on more than anything. But this morning I finally realized what can happen with this.

Chelsea and Real are looking to dump 70-80m on Kaka. Outside of Kaka, Ronaldo, and Messi, a top, world-class player can be snagged for 25-30m. With the $$ from Real or Chelsea, we can turn that over into at least 3 players at the top level in their respective position. A mixture of 3 world class players and injecting youth will do wonders for this team.

What's more dangerous to opposition? Kaka flying up the field solo or an army of class?

I would miss Kaka if they decide to sell, but it's something we will have to get over and move on. Juventus sold their Zidane and met our Milan in the CL final the very next year (to our pleasure :smileani: )

:3band:

[Snapster]

Chelsea and Real are looking to dump 70-80m on Kaka. Outside of Kaka, Ronaldo, and Messi, a top, world-class player can be snagged for 25-30m. With the $$ from Real or Chelsea, we can turn that over into at least 3 players at the top level in their respective position. A mixture of 3 world class players and injecting youth will do wonders for this team.


Naturally three players that are the best in their respective positions would be better than one, but the question would be: Do you think they would invest that £60-70m buying three top players, and if so who.

I can easily see board saying we have Ronaldinho already, buying Amauri from Juve and some other less than world class player for £15m whilst pocketing the rest. I don't see them buying the likes of Villa, Alex and Ribery (insert whoever) in replacement.

[MiamiMilanista]

Naturally three players that are the best in their respective positions would be better than one, but the question would be: Do you think they would invest that £60-70m buying three top players, and if so who.

I can easily see board saying we have Ronaldinho already, buying Amauri from Juve and some other less than world class player for £15m whilst pocketing the rest. I don't see them buying the likes of Villa, Alex and Ribery (insert whoever) in replacement.

I think they will be banking a lot on Ronaldinho to step up. But like you said, my theory is only good IF they do indeed turn that $$ around. If they decide to pocket it, than i'm just as disgruntled as everyone else on this board..

[_MaJi_tz]

The Chairman: "Monday will speak with Kakà"
03.06.2009 19:45 di Milannews Redazione articolo letto 129 volte 03.06.2009 19:45 by editing Milannews article read 129 times
"Cerco di distinguere il calcio da quello che interessa agli italiani". "I try to distinguish football from what interests the Italians." Lo ha detto il premier, Silvio Berlusconi, rispondendo ad una domanda sul futuro di Kakà, ormai vicinissimo al Real Madrid, nonostante l'interessamento del Chelsea. He said the premier, Silvio Berlusconi, responding to a question on the future of Kakà, now close to Real Madrid, despite the interest of Chelsea. Poi Berlusconi ha aggiunto: "Eravamo attaccatissimi a Sheva ed era mio amico (ho anche fatto curare suo padre), ma ci hanno fatto un'offerta che non potevamo eguagliare, e alla fine ho fatto scegliere a lui. Devono scegliere sulla base dei loro interessi. Non ho parlato con Kakà: gli parlerò lunedì e potrò sapere le decisioni che lui ha preso. Abbiamo Ronaldinho che ha giocato poco perché c'erano Kakà e Seedorf". "Adesso vedremo, io non sono più presidente del Milan. Ma quando fa dei debiti qualcuno deve metterci i soldi, io ho questa funzione», ha precisato. «Io speravo in un ritorno di Gourcuff che però ci ha chiesto di restare in Francia" ha concluso. Then Berlusconi added: "We were attaccatissimi Sheva and was a friend of mine (I also take care of his father), but we have made an offer that we could not match, and in the end I did choose him. They must choose on the basis of their interests. I have not talked to Kakà: the Monday and I will talk about the decisions he has taken. We Ronaldinho who has played little because there were Kakà and Seedorf. "" Now we will see, I no longer president of Milan. But when Debt ago someone must get the money, I have this function, 'he explained. "I hope in a return of Gourcuff but asked us to stay in France," he said.

[MiamiMilanista]

Chelsea never made an offer:

http://www.goal.com/en/news/9/england/2009/06/03/1303578/breaking-news-chelsea-deny-making-a-bid-for-kaka

[pazj]

Looks like berlu's up to his usual tricks...trying to imply that kaka is doing a Sheva by orchestrating the move himself...

http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/jun03t.html

[mzk57]

I read about 5-6 pages of this thread, and I must say I am feeling a bit of pain in my head after that :googly: But I must say this, Kaka is staying :cool:

Kaka, Berlusconi and Unlce Fester all ROCK!!! :rock3::rock3::rock3:

I can see the future and what I am seeing is that Kaka with a CL trophy. The year is 2010 and Kaka is wearing all white :510:































Relax, Its the away kit of ACM, as usual in CL finals ;)

[pazj]

One of the other sad side effects of this whole Kaka saga is the image of the club her in the Uk..granted the footballing journailst over here know little beyond the 'greatest league in the world' other then when foreign teams plays english ones in europe...commets like

'...milan have no choice but to sell because of the money on offer...'
'...the mountains of debt at the club....'

as i understand it the debt is approx 65 million not an insignificant amount but when you consider the debts of the premiership clubs as shown in this informative article http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/jun/03/english-premier-league-debt

it seems positively miniscule...bit like the amount of foresight the management have displayed in recent seasons

[pazj]

Source is questionable to say the least we are linked again to Amauri

http://www.transfermarketweb.com/?action=read&idsel=36654

good player...at that price (30 million) and 29 i have my doubts if he is good enough

[brk]

Gattuso will never leave Milan. Never. He is the fire and soul of this club. He goes to the pitch like it's the most important thing in his life.

Change is not bad. Change can be good. We need to get rid of our too old players and say hi to some new young players.

Yes Gattuso is like the red rose in the garden of Milan. He has beautiful, almost muscular petals, and sharp thorns that hurt! The team will have a group hug and wish Kaka all the happiness and fulfillment in his new life and then they will keep hugging each other as he boards the plane. The hug will continue until through the collective mental harmony and gayness of the event; Kaka will return with roses and swim in the river of Milan once again. Peace love and harmony and stuff. Lets be friends.

[Aficio]

Source is questionable to say the least we are linked again to Amauri

http://www.transfermarketweb.com/?action=read&idsel=36654

good player...at that price (30 million) and 29 i have my doubts if he is good enough

I prefer this one:

http://www.transfermarketweb.com/?action=read&idsel=36646

Pato & Eto: What a pair! toto :D

[Hasan Rossonero]

Pato's agent: I cannot guarantee that Pato will stay at Milan.

gazzetta

[prle]

Well according to the media the whole Milan team is up for sale and everybody could leave,i think this is a bunch of BS!!!!

[Fret]

Looks like berlu's up to his usual tricks...trying to imply that kaka is doing a Sheva by orchestrating the move himself...

http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/jun03t.html

"The implication is that, like Sheva, Kaka has demanded a transfer and come to the club with that request"

Sure Berlu, we belive you :yuck:

[Hasan Rossonero]

The implication is that, like Sheva, Kaka has demanded a transfer and come to the club with that request

Sure Berlu, we belive you :yuck:

Yes, but last time sheva came out and admitted that it was he who wanted to move. Let's see if Kaka' does the same.

[Fret]

This Berluscrappy person is forcing Kaka out of this team to make some money.
Kaka himself said 2 days ago that he wants to stay in Milan and now Berlu is saying that Kaka demanded a transfer.

:w200:

[Hasan Rossonero]

I don’t think Kaka’ (or maybe his father) is innocent in all of this. I honestly think that Kaka’ is willing to listen to offers.

Management could have ended all of this by denying the offers. They certainly would benefit hugely from his sale.

But if it is Kaka’ who decides to leave, then he will come out and say so.
At least I think so. I cannot see him slunk away into the night like Ronaldo in 2002.

[nefremo]

The rummors about Pato leaving are crap I think. We payed 22mil Euro for Pato, so how much are we going to sell him for. Any team that is going to offer more then 30mil for him at this point is pretty much run by idiots......and as much money as City and Chelsea has, I don't think they are stupid to do that. Milan will not sell Pato (future Ballon D'or candidate)......unless someone comes in with 50 mil euro offer. Again......no club is run by idiots to do that, no matter how much money that have. Pato is an unbelieavable talent, but at the raw age of 19 you gotta be stupid to offer a huge sum of money. Pato would be stupid to move too as he has just settled in Milan and Italy and now to switch countries and leagues again at 19 might simply destroy his progress. Talent is sometimes not the only thing needed for succes but one has to also make wise decisions.

The agent of Pato is also only looking for more money......which is to be expected by these f****ng agents, that's all they want. He is trying to do the same that Kotcho did with Kaka and that is to get Pato an improved offer. Obviously we will be forced to do that and Pato's agent will finish the year with a few extra hundred thousand euros in his pocket.

[K77SH C]

Of course Kaka is considering leaving. He has always maintained that he will stay IF Milan's ambition matches his own. Even an idiot can see that Berlusconi and Galliani are destroying the club!

Kaka will leave, Pato will answer the calls from Chelsea and whoever else is willing to put him next to the worlds best players.

Kaka quite frankly is wasting his career if he stays with this current regime.

[Hasan Rossonero]

Of course Kaka is considering leaving. He has always maintained that he will stay IF Milan's ambition matches his own. Even an idiot can see that Berlusconi and Galliani are destroying the club!

Kaka will leave, Pato will answer the calls from Chelsea and whoever else is willing to put him next to the worlds best players.

Kaka quite frankly is wasting his career if he stays with this current regime.

I agree.

We are supporting a club that doesn't want to support itself.

We as Milan fans right now are in a very tough spot because we know we will support this club through thick and thin.

Imagine if you were a Real or Barca fan right now! Or one of the big Premiership club's fan. They are strengthening and planning for the future with optimism.

We're struggling to hold onto our players and buy anyone. Same old with this management.

I am so envious right now of other clubs. Honestly, I am contemplating not watching football next year. Like someone said, it's time to take a break.

[Gio-mania]

I can see the future and what I am seeing is that Kaka with a CL trophy. The year is 2010 and Kaka is wearing all white :510:

Dont forget that all this would be in the Santiago Bernabeu stadium :p

[K77SH C]

I agree.

We are supporting a club that doesn't want to support itself.

We as Milan fans right now are in a very tough spot because we know we will support this club through thick and thin.

Imagine if you were a Real or Barca fan right now! Or one of the big Premiership club's fan. They are strengthening and planning for the future with optimism.

We're struggling to hold onto our players and buy anyone. Same old with this management.

I am so envious right now of other clubs. Honestly, I am contemplating not watching football next year. Like someone said, it's time to take a break.

You know you wont do that. Hopefully we will get to see the team built properly.

[Hasan Rossonero]

You know you wont do that. Hopefully we will get to see the team built properly.
Actually I pretty much did that this year. I think I saw 19 Milan games and only the CL final.

I just had too much work.

[Blacktop]

Kaka isn't completely innocent in all this either. When will he grow a pair and learn to stand up to his greedy bastard of an old man?

Further proof that you NEVER hire family to be in charge of your finances.

We are supporting a club that doesn't want to support itself.
Exactly.

[Hasan Rossonero]

Kaka isn't completely innocent in all this either. When will he grow a pair and learn to stand up to his greedy bastard of an old man?

Further proof that you NEVER hire family to be in charge of your finances.


Exactly.

I like how you took away "Rossonero" from my name when you were quoting me. My secret identity is now known.

[Blacktop]

I like how you took away "Rossonero" from my name when you were quoting me. My secret identity is now known.
It's your fault for having such a long username. :)

[Hasan Rossonero]

Berlusconi: Pato to Chelsea? Absolutely not.

[Hasan Rossonero]

It's your fault for having such a long username. :)

You are right top.

:D

[tardissun]

Berlusconi: Pato to Chelsea? Absolutely not.

At least some common sense remains in him. Pato is only 19. He has such a bright future ahead of him.

[hitmannq8]

i still think kaka's not leaving, but selling kaka wouldn't necessary be that bad. he has been pretty inconsistent for the past few years......... i mean he's my fav player and all but i don't think its going to be the end of the world (it will be if we dont get a replacement though)

[_MaJi_tz]

La Russa: 'It is all a bluff: Kakà remains "
03.06.2009 20:56 di Milannews Redazione articolo letto 3422 volte 03.06.2009 20:56 by editing Milannews article read 3422 times
© foto di Federico De Luca © photo by Federico De Luca "Ho notizie sicure che è tutto un bluff, Kakà non andrà via": così Ignazio La Russa a Telelombardia è intervenuto sulla faccenda Kakà. "I have news which is all a bluff, Kakà will not go away" so Ignazio La Russa Telelombardia spoke to the matter Kakà. "Non andrà via, non mi risulta proprio una cosa di questo tipo" ha aggiunto il dirigente del Popolo delle Libertà. "Do not go away, I am not really a thing of this kind," added the manager of the People of Freedom

[devoted_dm]

La Russa: 'It is all a bluff: Kakà remains "
03.06.2009 20:56 di Milannews Redazione articolo letto 3422 volte 03.06.2009 20:56 by editing Milannews article read 3422 times
© foto di Federico De Luca © photo by Federico De Luca "Ho notizie sicure che è tutto un bluff, Kakà non andrà via": così Ignazio La Russa a Telelombardia è intervenuto sulla faccenda Kakà. "I have news which is all a bluff, Kakà will not go away" so Ignazio La Russa Telelombardia spoke to the matter Kakà. "Non andrà via, non mi risulta proprio una cosa di questo tipo" ha aggiunto il dirigente del Popolo delle Libertà. "Do not go away, I am not really a thing of this kind," added the manager of the People of Freedom

How would this guy know? He's not involved in the club, is he?

[Christian]

Relax, Its the away kit of ACM, as usual in CL finals ;)

Thank god!

Anyways, I should have guessed you would have said AC Milan, if you had said round of the 32, then I'd be worried, that's as far as Real Madrid usually make it anyways ;)

Pato is 'aboslutly not leaving' according to Silvio, good to hear he can at least make himself clear on that.

"Absolutely not. He will stay with us," claimed the club supremo on the program Porta a Porta.

goal.com (http://www.goal.com/en/news/10/italy/2009/06/03/1303869/ac-milan-president-berlusconi-claims-pato-is-absolutely-not)

[Ceceves]

Hmmm...Just what are we supposed to think when Berlu almost immediately moves to categorically deny that Pato is leaving, yet with Kaká we have to wait until monday...?

Is he pulling another one like back in January with Man City? If so: It's not funny anymore, Silvio! ...in fact it never was.

The Kaká of the last two season shouldn't be impossible to survive without, yet he's important for the team and the club on more levels than one. On form he can lift the team like none of our other players can, and as a result he has a tremendous presence on the pitch - even if that seems to hinder the team when Kaká isn't on form. Also he's one of the most likeable characters in football today and a massive symbol for Milan, esp. in the "post-Maldini era" (oh man, it hurt to write that...). Finally selling him would mean Milan takes a step down in the hierarchy of clubs, and Serie A likewise in the hierarchy of leagues.

So what I'm trying to say is, that on a purely performance basis we should be able to replace Kaká (based on our mercatos in recent years we probably won't, but a club like Milan SHOULD be able to do that), but for other reasons, sporting and symbolic, selling him would be nothing but a disaster.

Of course I still want to believe Berlu is just messing with our heads.

[Christian]

Hmmm...Just what are we supposed to think when Berlu almost immediately moves to categorically deny that Pato is leaving, yet with Kaká we have to wait until monday...?

Is he pulling another one like back in January with Man City? If so: It's not funny anymore, Silvio! ...in fact it never was.

The Kaká of the last two season shouldn't be impossible to survive without, yet he's important for the team and the club on more levels than one. On form he can lift the team like none of our other players can, and as a result he has a tremendous presence on the pitch - even if that seems to hinder the team when Kaká isn't on form. Also he's one of the most likeable characters in football today and a massive symbol for Milan, esp. in the "post-Maldini era" (oh man, it hurt to write that...). Finally selling him would mean Milan takes a step down in the hierarchy of clubs, and Serie A likewise in the hierarchy of leagues.

So what I'm trying to say is, that on a purely performance basis we should be able to replace Kaká (based on our mercatos in recent years we probably won't, but a club like Milan SHOULD be able to do that), but for other reasons, sporting and symbolic, selling him would be nothing but a disaster.

Of course I still want to believe Berlu is just messing with our heads.

I abosolutly agree. Hearing reports like this (http://transfermarketweb.com/?action=read&idsel=36633) that Real Madrid are offering two of Robben, Sneijder, Marcelo, Gago etc. for Kaka, makes it sound like we could be making quite a deal. But his presence and his symbolism makes me want him to stay, despite the fact that we could potentially be stronger if the deal was like that.

[Rossoneri Fuego]

Sneijder, Marcelo plus some cash and i'll be happy....by the way has anybody seen videos of hernanes?....he reminds me of kaka' although it is brasil fact is we have to find some way r80 to play that's like silvio's mission i want seedorf and pirlo both gone....for some reason kaka says he cant play with r80 he says he runs to fast ahead of him....hernanes or essien can play the "BRAIN" so to speak personally its ridiculous this whole ordeal kaka's dad in a van wtf? was he's making a dope deal?....silvio said he'll sort it out by monday trust me it's la marca is the biggest load of b.s. in the world.....remember midseason?....how did madrid know they can pull off a deal with kaka already saying no to man city also perez will not...make his fifa madrid why?....contracts are complex RIBERY is 100 million CR7 80 million then backtracked this is one hell of a mickey mouse club....either way la liga is the most predictable league in the world...hey guess whose gona win la liga?....barca or madrid lol....

[slifersd]

I think a lot of us need to relax a bit about this whole thing. Media should not be trusted in this because they already reported about five or six times in the last couple of years that Kaka has already signed with whichever team and yet the man is still wearing the Milan jersey even as we speak. Even if Kaka really will move on this time, we should not be too upset as we should have seen this one coming all along. Make no mistake about it, this management didn't just receive major offers they couldn't turn down, they invited those offers as well! They have been wanting to sell him so the flunkies in the club can stay and they can pocket some serious cash from the sale. They are truly and utterly disgusting nowadays with the way they handle the club.

As many of us have said, this whole thing is being used as a cover up for the incompetencies of the management in the mercato. Ever since this Kaka rumor got started again, there hasn't been any news about us bringing in reinforcements to the club like it did a couple of weeks ago. Even in the forum itself, we have been using the last 15 pages or so of this thread on Kaka instead of talking about ways to improve the team. That is EXACTLY what Berlusconi is looking for. At the end of the day, when Kaka decides to stay, the management won't even need to spend a penny on this pathetic squad and still be seen as heroes. Everything will go smoothly until the season starts and the team sucks big time and the fans starts to talk about signing new players again. And then January comes and guess what, Kaka is going to whereever again!

The part that really saddens me about this whole saga is how far the management is willing to go to manipulate the fans. After all the grief we went through since the Calciopoli scandal, the Shevchenko (a then club hero) sale, the terrible mercatos, the even worse performances on the pitch and the endless Kaka saga, they are still willing to go this far just so they can save a few bucks on the mercato. Their unwillingness to do their job right and make this club better is absolutely amazing to me. This is like me faking a suicide at my work just so I won't have to do my job and still gets paid. I still love this team as I have been a supporter since elementary school, but I can honestly say that I am about to give up my hope and support. Call me a bad fan if you will but I am not turning my back on them because Kaka is leaving or they haven't won any titles or whatever. It just saddens me so to see what my beloved club is turning into, a circus to amuse the fans instead of a serious soccer team that entertain the fans. It is like watching your own son turning into a serial rapist in front of your eyes. You don't have to kill him, but you can't help but to turn your back and look away.

[pazj]

It is like watching your own son turning into a serial rapist in front of your eyes. You don't have to kill him, but you can't help but to turn your back and look away.

dsiturbing yet eloquent at the same time. genius

[jornazi]

Berlisconi ,many times i think u r smart,but sometimes i just dont know!

to sell kaka y?????

Reasons not to sell kaka
1-Atmoshpere:
hes the new symbol,everyone loves him and he loves them back,which means u have a great atmoshpere in yr club.

2-Money:
-with kaka u r getting so many requests of friendlies from so many teams worldwide,the club makes money out of that.
-the team plays better when he plays and u cant easily replace him ,u will be entering the champions leauge and if u keep a good team u will be making good money out of that.
-very good marketing and advertising with kaka,the club makes money out of the contracts that kaka is part of.
-worlwide viewers to seria A mainly because kaka plays there,so im sure the goverment can support yr so called debts becoz italy realy wants kaka to stay with thhem.
-to cover the so called debts there r many other players that could be sold whom r not the symbol of milan,just like ronaldihno "its not that they r useless or i dont like them" but they can be considerd before kaka.
-if it was money y reject the Man City offer which was bigger?????
-if kaka wanted money than y did he as well reject that one?or is it just becoz it was too cold in manchester,and spain is sunny!!!

Reasons to sell kaka:

-mmmmmmmmm

-aaaaaaaa

-wait a second

-mmmmmmmmmmmmm

berlisconi u basterd i just cant find one,




if u really r a man and u work on keeping kaka then im sorry if not then u sure r a baztird

and galliani i sware im gonna cut a ticket and fly to milano and search for yr a$$ u budhead,i'l make a kaka tattoo on yr a$$ so u never forget wat u did to hurt us if he leaves.

damn these 2 manipulating baztirds who want to ruin ithe nice time we live,and happy days we look forward.

if u keep kaka then im sorry im just angry if not then show us how clean u really r or then wat i said above about u is true.

[Bosniaco]

This guy, Pato's agent he is just talking out of his ass. Pato is not gonna go to Chelsea. He just trying to get Pato a improved contract. A raise.

[Warro Bantan]

Its a sad day for me, a veteran of many a mercato, to see us sell a player still in his prime, and a player who at least publicly stated that he wanted to stay....yet the story has so many sides:

I found it interesting to read that Brelu said: "Kaka is like $heva", and further, observe the swiftness with which he denied Pato would be leaving....which was in sharp contrast to his suggestion that come Monday, all will be clear where Kaka is concerned...

And worse of all, Sid Lowe, a journalist whom I hold in high regard, is also claiming that Kaka to Real is a done deal, and for a cut-price based on the Man City offer.

Apparently, the only syumbling block was the commission Kaka's dad was to make on the deal!!

Its a sad day, but not the end of the world. I no longer clutch the straw that has Berlu/Kaka making a last minute cancellation a la Man City in Dec...

Its over for me. You all can continue to hope, but the writing is on the wall, and has been for some time...

Berlu, either because Kaka is yet again angling for a pay raise (read in between the lines of "as long as Milan's ambitions match my own" for an interpretation of a selfish motive, ie, as long as Milan pay me what I ask for) or, wants to cash in on the player, or both, has decided to sell.

At the end of the day, if Kaka leaves, or wants to, or puts the club in a situation where we can't "afford" to keep him, Milan will still go on, and can still challenge, if, and its a big "IF" we reinvest the funds in players of the highest calibre.

There lies the concern, after the loss of such a player...what's the next step?

I for one advise that we get used to life without Kaka. I will, in time...so I guess I won't be wearing any of the several shirts I have with his name on it for a while. :D

I am indeed sad to say farewell, and in all honesty, I can't, as a part of me wishes so much ill toward him, and another tries to understand the motivations for him to make the decision he has made.

So: See-yah Kaka. Thanks for the memories, etc etc.

You will never be a legend. There is only one, and his name is Paolo.

Forza Milan.

Siempre Milan, Milan siempre.

[Gabriel489]

I think a lot of us need to relax a bit about this whole thing. Media should not be trusted in this because they already reported about five or six times in the last couple of years that Kaka has already signed with whichever team and yet the man is still wearing the Milan jersey even as we speak. Even if Kaka really will move on this time, we should not be too upset as we should have seen this one coming all along. Make no mistake about it, this management didn't just receive major offers they couldn't turn down, they invited those offers as well! They have been wanting to sell him so the flunkies in the club can stay and they can pocket some serious cash from the sale. They are truly and utterly disgusting nowadays with the way they handle the club.

As many of us have said, this whole thing is being used as a cover up for the incompetencies of the management in the mercato. Ever since this Kaka rumor got started again, there hasn't been any news about us bringing in reinforcements to the club like it did a couple of weeks ago. Even in the forum itself, we have been using the last 15 pages or so of this thread on Kaka instead of talking about ways to improve the team. That is EXACTLY what Berlusconi is looking for. At the end of the day, when Kaka decides to stay, the management won't even need to spend a penny on this pathetic squad and still be seen as heroes. Everything will go smoothly until the season starts and the team sucks big time and the fans starts to talk about signing new players again. And then January comes and guess what, Kaka is going to whereever again!

The part that really saddens me about this whole saga is how far the management is willing to go to manipulate the fans. After all the grief we went through since the Calciopoli scandal, the Shevchenko (a then club hero) sale, the terrible mercatos, the even worse performances on the pitch and the endless Kaka saga, they are still willing to go this far just so they can save a few bucks on the mercato. Their unwillingness to do their job right and make this club better is absolutely amazing to me. This is like me faking a suicide at my work just so I won't have to do my job and still gets paid. I still love this team as I have been a supporter since elementary school, but I can honestly say that I am about to give up my hope and support. Call me a bad fan if you will but I am not turning my back on them because Kaka is leaving or they haven't won any titles or whatever. It just saddens me so to see what my beloved club is turning into, a circus to amuse the fans instead of a serious soccer team that entertain the fans. It is like watching your own son turning into a serial rapist in front of your eyes. You don't have to kill him, but you can't help but to turn your back and look away.

Well, thats our MGT, ever since Jan, they found ways to celebrate nothing like winning the CL. And yet, all of us are falling for it.
And Warro, man, what the heck is going on with you, never seen u like this before.

[slifersd]

Well, thats our MGT, ever since Jan, they found ways to celebrate nothing like winning the CL. And yet, all of us are falling for it.
And Warro, man, what the heck is going on with you, never seen u like this before.

Well, no more for me. Enough is enough, I am done with this management as I know for a fact that they do not intend to build a good team period. Whether Kaka stays or goes, AC Milan is just another club for me from now on. I will no longer lose sleep when they suffer or jump out of my chair in joy when they triumph. I will not be that assertive again until Berlusconi and Galliani leave and sell the club.

[Warro Bantan]

To be honest Gabriel, its just how I feel...this time, I do believe he is leaving.

Something in my gut tells me so....or it could just be indegestion from the lasagna...:D!

[Gabriel489]

Guys relax and take a deep breathe. I am sure Kaka will stay at the end and Berlu will buy two or three WC players by the end of the summer.
Since thats the only way he can make the value of his club higher.

When you look at what Berlu is saying, wait till next Monday and all, thats exactly the same thing he said about Man CIty in Jan. No worries as I am sure it will be all fine by next week. Ask yourself this though, if Milan accepted the offer from Real, Kaka's father is also fine with the offer, why do they need to wait till next Monday and why don't they just announce it now. And the fact that they are accepting a deal that is 40% less than another offer is completely BS, maybe Perez and Galli are great friends, but Berlu is a business man.
Trust me, I hate it when they do that too, but have to live with it as they are the owners of the club. To be honest, I think both Berlu and Galli are still living in the 80s with their tactics and dirty tricks.

Having said all that, if the offer is 65Mil+Ramos+Sneijder+Marcelo+Casillas+Diarra for Kaka+Kaladze+Seedorf+Oddo+Dida+Cardacio, I might just take that deal.

[kastriot]

Guys relax and take a deep breathe. I am sure Kaka will stay at the end and Berlu will buy two or three WC players by the end of the summer.
Since thats the only way he can make the value of his club higher.

When you look at what Berlu is saying, wait till next Monday and all, thats exactly the same thing he said about Man CIty in Jan. No worries as I am sure it will be all fine by next week. Ask yourself this though, if Milan accepted the offer from Real, Kaka's father is also fine with the offer, why do they need to wait till next Monday and why don't they just announce it now. And the fact that they are accepting a deal that is 40% less than another offer is completely BS, maybe Perez and Galli are great friends, but Berlu is a business man.
Trust me, I hate it when they do that too, but have to live with it as they are the owners of the club. To be honest, I think both Berlu and Galli are still living in the 80s with their tactics and dirty tricks.

Having said all that, if the offer is 65Mil+Ramos+Sneijder+Marcelo+Casillas+Diarra for Kaka+Kaladze+Seedorf+Oddo+Dida+Cardacio, I might just take that deal.

One of the reasons why theay are waiting for Monayd, can be/is that this week we have European parliament election, which are like seriously very important.....and knowing Berlu, who do you think is more importan...Milan or his politics???

[vivardo]

Warro, I think your evaluation on Kaka's situation was a bit harsh. I tend to believe that, could be extremely biased though, Kaka is more of a milanista than a madridsta. He only recently pledged his eternal allegiance towards milan and declared that he doesn't want to say it again. I will be distressed to find out that he actually made those remarks for a pay raise. I do agree that my image of Kaka is more of a fairytale player (along with Maldini) .

[GilAttack [11]]

I do believe Kaka wants to play for Real Madrid, but I know he is the kind of player that wouldnt be upset or be a cancer for this team if Milan would just say "No" to any offer.
If you are Kaka, the squad best player and one of the best in the business, and your team is accepting bids (Manchester City, Real Madrid, etc) for you, well, its because they dont appreciate you that much and are prepare for life without you. They talk about you as the next captain, the next Maldini, but the following day they are willing to accept Real Madrid first offer.
I really cant blame Kaka, especially after so many years in Italy, having won everything. In Spain he is going to play more open football, weaker defences, a new challenge. Good for him, I really enjoyed the ride.
Milan Management = FU

[Blacktop]

This guy, Pato's agent he is just talking out of his ass.
Sadly, agents get paid to talk out of their asses.

The part that really saddens me about this whole saga is how far the management is willing to go to manipulate the fans...they are still willing to go this far just so they can save a few bucks on the mercato.
The fans (in Milano anyway, since they have the access to Berlu that we don't) need to call him out on exactly that rather than merely yelling "Kaka STAYS!!" like a horde of robots. Then again, a problem lies in that there is a section of ultras who believe Berlu can do no wrong.

They need to grill him directly on the fact that he's blatantly crying wolf over Kaka for the second time in six months to improve his political image, especially considering that there's an election conveniently coming up this weekend. I mean, he's going to keep us on tenterhooks once again until Monday? Give me a frickin' break.

Instead, the fans flip out automatically over every Kaka rumor that comes down the pike, because that's what Berlu wants. It's like Pavlov and his dogs.

[Gabriel489]

Can someone explains the election thing, is it in Italy or EU and when is it and what type of selection process, I mean a wide public vote or whatever.

[kastriot]

Can someone explains the election thing, is it in Italy or EU and when is it and what type of selection process, I mean a wide public vote or whatever.

the EU(European Union) parliament elctions are on sunday. The parliament is consisted of memebers of every 27 countries member of the EU based on the population(the more population u hav e more seats in the parliament you get.. The elections take place in every country...so which party gets more votes at home gets to take more seats in the parliament. And the EU is highly important institution in the EU.

Due to this I dont see Berlu showin any interest in the Kaka issue, its far less important atm for him...Thats why u have the Monday date set up there as a d day.

[will4li]

Many guys in this forum don't support carlo's stay,so just face it we are suffering major lineup overhauls even riky is included when carlo was forced to leave. we are aiming for playing barca-like game since leonado became coach,hope it's a lucky call.

[Rico]

There is a sense that you act like it is your choice and your decision who leaves or comes to Milan. As a fan you have an opinion and a desire to see your team do well. Doing well means having good player so you can win.

I simply cannot take that 90% of the posts right now is filled with demand after demand and 'idiot, it's not like I wanted it to be. I am right and the team I support knows nothing about football and should be sent on a rocket to the moon.'

When in fact the same people you exploit to your scathing attacks know a lot more about football, about the players and about the game itself.

[ARIO]

I guess our lineup will be something like this on September.....

----------------------Dida
De Silvestri-----Nesta-----Silva-----Zambrotta
--------------------Hernanes
---------Gattuso--------------Hamsik
------------------Ronaldinho
-------------Drogba---------Pato

Not a bad line up....but the decision of selling Kaka is always economical so... :(

[will4li]

I seriously doubt r80 will ever be back to his old self again,We'd better look for new AM asap if richy leaves.

[Filipéz 182]

Milan's Adriano Galliani Explains Reasons Behind Kaka's Sale
The certain departure of the superstar Brazilian has been attributed to the club's monetary situation...

Milan vice-president Adriano Galliani admitted that Kaka is leaving the club this team, unlike what happened in January with the Manchester City saga.

Galliani declared that the decision was taken due to economic issues and that the Rossoneri could not reject such a high offer again.

"Milan cannot lose €70 million every year," explained the director to the Gazzetta dello Sport.

"Even the heart must face the numbers, but we are not demobilising. A great attacker, a forward, will arrive, since next year we will play with the 4-3-1-2. I hope the fans understand."

Galliani then denied that any of the other important players are leaving.

"[Alexandre] Pato, [Andrea] Pirlo and [Clarence] Seedorf are not for sale," he confirmed.

With Chelsea claiming to have never bid for Kaka, it seems that the Brazilian player's path to Real Madrid should now be a relatively smooth one.
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he basically says kaka will be sold. I think its sure now he will leave!
Gourcuff gone, kaka gone, now some cheap transfers and the team is ready for the next season.

[Gabriel489]

the EU(European Union) parliament elctions are on sunday. The parliament is consisted of memebers of every 27 countries member of the EU based on the population(the more population u hav e more seats in the parliament you get.. The elections take place in every country...so which party gets more votes at home gets to take more seats in the parliament. And the EU is highly important institution in the EU.

Due to this I dont see Berlu showin any interest in the Kaka issue, its far less important atm for him...Thats why u have the Monday date set up there as a d day.

If thats the case, no wonder why Berlu is making noises now.

[Gabriel489]

Milan's Adriano Galliani Explains Reasons Behind Kaka's Sale
The certain departure of the superstar Brazilian has been attributed to the club's monetary situation...

Milan vice-president Adriano Galliani admitted that Kaka is leaving the club this team, unlike what happened in January with the Manchester City saga.

Galliani declared that the decision was taken due to economic issues and that the Rossoneri could not reject such a high offer again.

"Milan cannot lose €70 million every year," explained the director to the Gazzetta dello Sport.

"Even the heart must face the numbers, but we are not demobilising. A great attacker, a forward, will arrive, since next year we will play with the 4-3-1-2. I hope the fans understand."

Galliani then denied that any of the other important players are leaving.

"[Alexandre] Pato, [Andrea] Pirlo and [Clarence] Seedorf are not for sale," he confirmed.

With Chelsea claiming to have never bid for Kaka, it seems that the Brazilian player's path to Real Madrid should now be a relatively smooth one.
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he basically says kaka will be sold. I think its sure now he will leave!
Gourcuff gone, kaka gone, now some cheap transfers and the team is ready for the next season.

OHh great, Seedorf is staying and Kaka is leaving, thats make a lot of sense.
Wait a minute, the person who said this is Gallaini, no worries then, as he always lie.

[Filipéz 182]

OHh great, Seedorf is staying and Kaka is leaving, thats make a lot of sense.
Wait a minute, the person who said this is Gallaini, no worries then, as he always lie.

not always, most of the times yes. but why should he lie about this, its easyer to say kaka will stay as thats what the fans wanna hear, it makes no sense! face it dude, ricky will be sold, I think it's quite clear!

[kakacmilan best]

Milan for Lavzzezi:
http://www.sportmediaset.it/mercato/articoli/articolo24053.shtml
look on the formetion.

[ACMILAN1983]

I'm still not completely convinced. Kaka's apparently is happy to leave yet refuses to comment to the press. Berlu has put the whole thing on hold until Monday after the elections. Galliani is quoted as saying we can't aquire debts of 70m euros every year knowing full well we're in CL so the debt won't be so high this year and he hasn't explicitely said anything about selling Kaka (only vague aluding towards it) and finally, Perez has come out saying outright that he's still unsure whether Kaka will play in Real next season and his hope is that his friendship with Galliani can facilitate the transfer, so clearly no agreement is in place if this is the case.

I think Real's real target is probably Ronaldo, who Perez also commented on and who seems more easily attainable this summer after United's CL disappointment.

My final argument is Kaka conveniently made his last official quote just before this whole story splashed out everywhere (on the same day in fact). He said he was staying and he addressed his quote to the fans directly. It just seems very convenient that he'd make such a strong statement just before this whole thing started.

[Gabriel489]

To be honest, if Seedorf stays and the others leave. I will stop supporting Milan right that minute and start supporting Man Utd, Barcelona, Juve and even Inter. As it shows that the MGT have NO IDEA what to do with the direction of the club. On one hand, they don't want to increase Kaka's contract and want to sell him, on another they are giving out huge contracts to the likes of Seedorf, Dida and Kaladze. Kaka before tax costs Milan 18Mil, while Seedorf is 11mil, Dida is 9mil and Kaladze is 8mil. It is a total of 46Mil, if Seedorf, Dida and Kaladze are sold, and Milan replace them with a true backup Goalie (3Mil max/salary wise), someone like Hernanes/Essien/De Rossi in midfield(12mil) and no need to replace Kaladze as he never plays anyway. With a 4 mil increase to Kaka, the total will be 37Mil, thats a saving of 9mil and all parties will be happy, Milan saves 9mil a year, Kaka will make 22/2=11mil a season.

The thing I don't understand about this economic issues from Gallaini is that everyone can do the math, therefore, I think these are a whole bunch of lies that the MGT are making and at the end, Kaka will stay and Berlu will come out and be the first owner in Series A to admit that, in order to compete with the EPL and La Liga, I have no choice but to sell part of the club to a foreign investor. What a perfect excuse and a great script to help himself make money.
To me, I am not looking at how much Kaka can make for Milan, since the max is 120Mil. It is how much money the shares of Milan is worth. If Milan do sell 40% share for 400Mil to those Arab, Berlu will make 400MIl and more by giving out papers(shares/contracts).
Now if you are Berlu, which deal would make sense to you? Selling Kaka and make 120Mil or selling paper and make 400Mil.

Don't know about you but I will sell paper for 400Mil. And all I need to do is spend 50Mil of that on incoming players and pocket 350Mil and nobody can say anything about me b/c all of us will be thrill that Kaka is staying on top of that 2 headline signings(at least are coming) 50Mil=De Rossi, Santacroce and Dzeko


NOw thats a business deal, and not those where is Kaka going to play next season crap, we are poor we must sell players......

[Siregar]

Milan for Lavzzezi:
http://www.sportmediaset.it/mercato/articoli/articolo24053.shtml
look on the formetion.

Interesting transfer market. By the way Toni is already 32 years old AND underperforming. Why should we buy such a player? He will need time to regain his performance and if he can do it fast, he will have only 1-2 years to show what he can do since he is not young anymore.

What keeps me wondering is why we still use Jankulovski on the left side?

Thanks for the info, kakacmilan best.

[Gabriel489]

not always, most of the times yes. but why should he lie about this, its easyer to say kaka will stay as thats what the fans wanna hear, it makes no sense! face it dude, ricky will be sold, I think it's quite clear!

B/c thats what he does best.
Like I said, unless it is Official, Kaka is still a Milan player

[Gabriel489]

Milan for Lavzzezi:
http://www.sportmediaset.it/mercato/articoli/articolo24053.shtml
look on the formetion.

Finally Seedorf is gone.

WOOOHOOOO

[Gabriel489]

I'm still not completely convinced. Kaka's apparently is happy to leave yet refuses to comment to the press. Berlu has put the whole thing on hold until Monday after the elections. Galliani is quoted as saying we can't aquire debts of 70m euros every year knowing full well we're in CL so the debt won't be so high this year and he hasn't explicitely said anything about selling Kaka (only vague aluding towards it) and finally, Perez has come out saying outright that he's still unsure whether Kaka will play in Real next season and his hope is that his friendship with Galliani can facilitate the transfer, so clearly no agreement is in place if this is the case.

I think Real's real target is probably Ronaldo, who Perez also commented on and who seems more easily attainable this summer after United's CL disappointment.

My final argument is Kaka conveniently made his last official quote just before this whole story splashed out everywhere (on the same day in fact). He said he was staying and he addressed his quote to the fans directly. It just seems very convenient that he'd make such a strong statement just before this whole thing started.

I think Real real target is the Milan trio of Seedorf, Dida and Kaladze. Gallaini is using his friendship with Perez to facilitate the transfer. IF Real would take those three along with Kaka for 65Mil + Snejder, Diarra and Ramos. I say do it, heck I will even throw in Oddo.

[Gabriel489]

Just read someone the Chelsea is asking for Pirlo for 25MIl, now thats a good deal

[Siregar]

Finally Seedorf is gone.

WOOOHOOOO

"There are negotiations for Kaka, but the other big players are unsellable. They are Pato, Pirlo and Seedorf.” (Galliani, channel4)

:coffee:

[Gabriel489]

"There are negotiations for Kaka, but the other big players are unsellable. They are Pato, Pirlo and Seedorf.” (Galliani, channel4)

:coffee:

I refuse to believe anything that Galliani is saying, he just lies too much. Beside, he said the same thing about Kaka in Jan.

[Siregar]

I refuse to believe anything that Galliani is saying, he just lies too much. Beside, he said the same thing about Kaka in Jan.

Well, many fans are behind you. :respect:

[Ceceves]

Milan for Lavzzezi:
http://www.sportmediaset.it/mercato/articoli/articolo24053.shtml
look on the formetion.

I can't believe this! They think we're buying Lavezzi, Toni, Hernanes and Mexes/Kjær, yet Jankulovski will remain our starting LB!

[kastriot]

I can't believe this! They think we're buying Lavezzi, Toni, Hernanes and Mexes/Kjær, yet Jankulovski will remain our starting LB!


Well I guess, if Kaka leaves we are getting Hernanes, wich is suppossed to be a great purchase, But the bad thing is that we are selling Kaka at the begining of the mercato and for a record breaking fee...so it will be harder to negotiate when teams now u have money to spend.

its to bad we cant have both Hernanes and Dzeko, as I think that will be the perfect replacement for Kaka, both combined can do for us much more than Kaka actually did these two last seasons.

[ginoformaggino]

Toni :kap: Hernanes :rock3: Alex Silva :2whis:
Money trouble? bloody bastard balds
... with their absurd wages ... to Dida or Favalli ... renewed!!!!
they should sell their f.uck.ing sons, not Kaka.
VAFFANCULO BERLUSH-IT

[Rico]

The situation is different now. We have Galliani saying we will need cash to survive. Hence we need to sell. Kaka is in negotiations with Real and we'll see.

Kaka is not a Real Madrid player now. He is a Milan player who says he wants to stay and in fact is in negotiations with Real.

It seems likely that we'll find out more soon. Milan would be losing a fantastic player to a team where he has less chances of winning trophies as it is now. But with a good summer mercato from Perez and his new team they could build a team that is stronger than Milan's. So maybe Kaka is going to a better place.

Spain is a country that suits a soul like Kaka better than Italy. In Italy there is a sense of cheating that Kaka would find hard to accept. It's not like that in Spain where it is more open and to be honest if Kaka indeed goes to Spain I wish him the best and hope he is humble in a big club like Real Madrid and that the fans of Real Madrid will be humble to him.

[pazj]

I can't believe this! They think we're buying Lavezzi, Toni, Hernanes and Mexes/Kjær, yet Jankulovski will remain our starting LB!

Lol ridiculous...I think we must all prepare ourselves for an even crazier summer then usual...any agent with arm with be throwing his players name into that hat...and the newspapers specualtion as to our formation tatics etc will be incessant

If the management has even a semblence of forward thinking they will have 2-3 payers potentially lined up before the transfer is official otherwise asking prices will mos likely increase....alas there has been little evidence of that in recent years giving 30+ year old players renewals on large wages ..dida anyone?

Also Toni in my opinion would be like selling your mansion to then set up home in a tent and pocket the differnce..In Euro 08 he looked less like scoring then a enuch in brothel ...on the flip side he has consistent as he maintained that scoring touch this last season with bayern

[pazj]

more evidence of the Old Man losing the plot

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/feedarticle/8540731

[kastriot]

more evidence of the Old Man losing the plot

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/feedarticle/8540731


This actually made me laugh!!! Just when u think you have heard and seen it all from him.

[Rico]

The question remains whether Berlusconi is the one who decides the lineups. It's not. It's the coach and that's the way it must be.

Milan's strongest team ever was built by a coach, Arrigo Sacchi. Not by the management even though they funded and arranged the transfers.

About Ronaldinho, I agree. He should've played more.

[ginoformaggino]

Spain is a country that suits a soul like Kaka better than Italy. In Italy there is a sense of cheating that Kaka would find hard to accept. It's not like that in Spain where it is more open and to be honest if Kaka indeed goes to Spain I wish him the best and hope he is humble in a big club like Real Madrid and that the fans of Real Madrid will be humble to him.

the little problem is that Kakà would want to stay at AC Milan, he always repeated it, and I believe in Kakà much more than in the bald s.hitty couple, have u got it?
It's a bastards' decision, right? :d55: why pato is not for sale immediately?

[johncharles365]

galliani coming up with every excuse in the book true milan are in debt but nothing compared to manchester united chelsea and real madrid. beside if wanted cash a severe drop in wages than get rid of seedorf dida oddo and kaladze. Milan need kaka to secure champions league participation. besides kaka still wants to stay at Milan despite what the bs galliani and berlusconi are coming out with. It not fair that Milan keeps selling all the star players in ten years milan have sold shevchenko stam rui costa albertini weah leonardo etc. Galliani must think the cash is more than the player and next year when he is fired because Milan have a 8 place finish he will realise that money doesn't get you top quality player who play there hearts out for the club. What loyalty would adebayor or drogba show to Milan? plus the insincerity of ronaldinho seedorf and dida who if where offered a place at real and chelsea would leave Milan in an asap. what ever happerned to shevechenko 40 million euro transfer deal who did milan buy to replace oddo and oliviera and than ronaldo i bet the combined transfer cost is less than 20 million euros. we won the champions league in 2007 and the only players we bought were emerson and pato, 100 million euros is what you can expect from reaching final 150 for winning it where did that cash go?. this team has been severely miss managed economically and in buying the wrong players. I state this again if kaka goes galliani and berlusconi might as well done with them.

[Rico]

the little problem is that Kakà would want to stay at AC Milan, he always repeated it, and I believe in Kakà much more than in the bald s.hitty couple, have u got it?
It's a bastards' decision, right? :d55: why pato is not for sale immediately?
Well, if Galliani is saying Kaka is leaving... He probably is.

[mrki]

Its disgusing! Im guttered by these statemants from Galliani and Berlusconi!! What kind of people are they?? **** OFF ROM MILAN NOW!! You have done yours, filthy greedy scum! Ban me I dont care.

Milan has 60mln debt and we sell Gourcuff and Kaka' and most likely Pirlo?? And we have no other incomes besides selling players? 10bln from Berlusconi are nothing?? TV etc? NO?

SEEDORF is irreplacible as Galliani says!!!????? Marek also... disgusting!

Doint think that Hernanes can replace KAka', its ridiculous. Hernanes would do well with Kaka'. Milan is being torn apart by megalomanic greed!

Abandon the San Siro! If only Milan's ultras bad balls instead of fashion shirts...

You scum want to create new Milan? Fine, buy Eto'o, Ribery, Hernanes, Mexes, Maxwell and Marchetti!

And they'll will spend 60mln and earn 50, next year we'll sell Pato and that is it. And marry Luca Toni if you want, do not take him to Milan!

Dinho is a FINISHED player also. Belrusconi, sell Milan!

[rinogattuso]

Berlusconi statment: "Ambrosini will renew the contract and will be our captain"

ADORE YOU Carlo Ancelotti you are only man on planet who can handle whith these MONSTRUMS!! GRazie Carletto one more time!!

[Ceceves]

Galliani says Kaká will be sold because Milan need cash as the Italian clubs can't compete with foreign clubs due to the taxation. Moratti seems to be unaware of this, somehow. Or maybe it's just a pathetic excuse to cover up that Berlusconi has lost interest - who knows, right?

Meanwhile Silvio himself says it's all up to Kaká, he's free to do what he wants.

Whatever Kaká chooses will be very important. If he goes it's a major blow for Milan and Italian football, if he stays there's still hope, I guess. However even if he remains, we'll probably go through this nightmare in January and, if he's still with us, again next June. It seems this is the only excitement Berlu gets from football these days...

[mrki]

Galliani says Kaká will be sold because Milan need cash as the Italian clubs can't compete with foreign clubs due to the taxation. Moratti seems to be unaware of this, somehow. Or maybe it's just a pathetic excuse to cover up that Berlusconi has lost interest - who knows, right?
Meanwhile Silvio himself says it's all up to Kaká, he's free to do what he wants.

Whatever Kaká chooses will be very important. If he goes it's a major blow for Milan and Italian football, if he stays there's still hope, I guess. However even if he remains, we'll probably go through this nightmare in January and, if he's still with us, again next June. It seems this is the only excitement Berlu gets from football these days...

Somehow Juve will spend money and had done in last 2 years in a good fashin, Inter has no such problems etc. And Berlusconi doesnt want to waste a euro from his pocket so he has his own ***** Galliani that lies for him in papers so he can get 5%... nobel!!

Sell Milan.